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    Ethnicity of defendants on death row

    • White: 1,226 (42.25%)
    • Black: 1,215 (41.87%)
    • Latino/Latina: 380 (13.09%)
    • Asian: 53 (1.83%)
    • Native American: 27 (0.93%)
    • Unknown: 1 (0.03%)[1]

    Comparatively, the U.S. population is 63.7% non-Hispanic white, 12.2% black, 16.3% Hispanic or Latino, 4.7% Asian, 0.9% Native American, and 2.1% mixed or other.

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    I guess we need an Affirmative Action program,...."Cooking with Crackers"?

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    2902 pos cook them sooner then later and save tax dollars,if it cost 100 a day to keep them ,290,200 everyday 105,923,000 $ yearly and I believe this is on the low side of the cost .
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    Ethnicity of defendants on death row

    Doesn't tell me anything about Death Row Discrimination.

    It only tells me .....that one needs to get further behind the numbers.

    I 'suspect' as a % of their respective populations, non white Hispanics are less likely commit murder, and therefore have a lower % of their US population that are sentenced to die.

    Can't draw any other conclusions regarding discrimination without more facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishblind View Post
    2902 pos cook them sooner then later and save tax dollars,if it cost 100 a day to keep them ,290,200 everyday 105,923,000 $ yearly and I believe this is on the low side of the cost .
    I've heard multiple sources say it costs more to try a death penalty case and the appeals than it does to incarcerate a person for life. I suppose you have no problem getting rid of the safeguards designed to prevent executing innocent people though. Even more importantly, who cares if real murderers are still on the street while we execute innocent men.

    FWIW I'm not against the death penalty. There are crimes that are horrific enough to deserve it. But the police, lawyers, juries, and judges are less than perfect and the potential for mistakes exists. I am completely against executing innocent people, to the point I'd rather not execute anyone if there is even a .001% chance they may not be guilty.
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    I am completely against executing innocent people,


    That's refreshing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquasport190 View Post
    That's refreshing. [/COLOR]
    I wish I could say I believed most of the others here were too. But I feel like most here would vote for shooting them in the head before the handcuffs went on. A lot of people are in far too much rush to make errors that aren't fixable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishblind View Post
    2902 pos cook them sooner then later and save tax dollars,if it cost 100 a day to keep them ,290,200 everyday 105,923,000 $ yearly and I believe this is on the low side of the cost .
    Might only be 2,901 , we may need to find out the unknown guy first to be sure he is the right one

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyphish View Post
    I've heard multiple sources say it costs more to try a death penalty case and the appeals than it does to incarcerate a person for life. I suppose you have no problem getting rid of the safeguards designed to prevent executing innocent people though. Even more importantly, who cares if real murderers are still on the street while we execute innocent men.

    FWIW I'm not against the death penalty. There are crimes that are horrific enough to deserve it. But the police, lawyers, juries, and judges are less than perfect and the potential for mistakes exists. I am completely against executing innocent people, to the point I'd rather not execute anyone if there is even a .001% chance they may not be guilty.
    Yeah, when it takes an average of 15 yrs. and many millions to execute someone, this is stupidity at work, not safeguards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTCAST2 View Post
    Yeah, when it takes an average of 15 yrs. and many millions to execute someone, this is stupidity at work, not safeguards.
    The most important thing is not killing innocent people. Money and time are a poor way to measure success.
    You know what happens when the state executes innocent men? The anti death penalty crowd gains support and legitimate reasons to oppose it. And it makes those that support it seem blood thirsty rather than seeking honest justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyphish View Post
    The most important thing is not killing innocent people. Money and time are a poor way to measure success.
    You know what happens when the state executes innocent men? The anti death penalty crowd gains support and legitimate reasons to oppose it. And it makes those that support it seem blood thirsty rather than seeking honest justice.
    I'm fairly confident you ain't talking about the victims here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by polarizer View Post
    Ethnicity of defendants on death row


    • White: 1,226 (42.25%)
    • Black: 1,215 (41.87%)
    • Latino/Latina: 380 (13.09%)
    • Asian: 53 (1.83%)
    • Native American: 27 (0.93%)
    • Unknown: 1 (0.03%)[1]

    Comparatively, the U.S. population is 63.7% non-Hispanic white, 12.2% black, 16.3% Hispanic or Latino, 4.7% Asian, 0.9% Native American, and 2.1% mixed or other.
    I believe that you are suggesting that criminal conduct by ethnicity occurs in direct proportion to the percentages of various ethnic groups in the population. And therefore, the greater number of blacks on death row is evidence of some type of bias in the criminal justice system. This methodology is similar to the disparate treatment theory, which has been the basis for the left to pursue enforcement action against various institutions such as lending, by the left. Under this theory, the DoJ would allege discrimination without actually proving any such conduct.

    I would suggest that economic and cultural factors have a big influence on those statistics. For example, the collapse of the black family since the 1950's, the "gansta" culture, drug addiction, the sharp drop in religious observation, the loss of valuing education, the increasing belief in "victimhood" that is promoted by the left, are factors that contribute to this phenomenon.

    I had a career in investigating complex white collar crimes for 32 years. I would estimate that I was the lead investigator on cases that resulted in the indictment of around 100 people. I can think of four black defendants in all of those cases, with their criminal activity, as follows:

    Postmaster - conspiracy to defraud the government and bribery
    Owner of insurance agency - defrauding an insurance finance company
    Owner of government contracting company - conspiracy to defraud the government
    Owner of day care center - government program fraud

    If we used the theory that criminal conduct should be representative of the population, these numbers would suggest that I would avoid investigation of black, white collar suspects or the prosecutors would decline prosecution of that group; or they were smarter criminals that were able to avoid detection. I can tell you, that is not the case. The disparity has to do with education and with the availability of capital. The absence of being involved in white collar positions limits your ability to perpetrate white collar crime, while exposure to the factors stated in the second paragraph tend to place people in a position to perpetrate violent crime, which can result in capital punishment. In addition, money can get you better lawyers than having financial resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTCAST2 View Post
    I'm fairly confident you ain't talking about the victims here!
    Nice deflection. Like I already mentioned though, when you support rushing to execute the wrong person, a real killer is still on the streets preying on more innocent people. Apparently that doesn't matter to you. You just want the immediate satisfaction of revenge, not actual justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyphish View Post
    I've heard multiple sources say it costs more to try a death penalty case and the appeals than it does to incarcerate a person for life. I suppose you have no problem getting rid of the safeguards designed to prevent executing innocent people though. Even more importantly, who cares if real murderers are still on the street while we execute innocent men.

    FWIW I'm not against the death penalty. There are crimes that are horrific enough to deserve it. But the police, lawyers, juries, and judges are less than perfect and the potential for mistakes exists. I am completely against executing innocent people, to the point I'd rather not execute anyone if there is even a .001% chance they may not be guilty.
    These two statements are contradictory, IMO....

    You can't precisely quantify "Beyond a reasonable doubt", but I'm fairly sure it doesn't mean "one chance in 10,000."

    How many criminals TOTAL could the U.S. have executed in its' entire history using your standard?
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