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    Default 1999 200hp Evinrude Ficht Compression #'s

    I did a cold compression test on a boat i looked at today.
    Motor: 1999 Evinrude Ficht 200Hp
    MOD: E200FPLEEN
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    All plugs out, full throttle, motor cold:
    Cylinder: 1 - 95psi Cylinder: 2 - 95psi
    Cylinder: 3 - 90psi Cylinder: 4 - 100psi
    Cylinder: 5 - 90psi Cylinder: 6 - 100psi

    Can anyone tell me what Evinrude claims are the acceptable range for this motor? Also, will the numbers read higher or lower when the motor is warm?

    Thanks,

    Dave

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    Thats right in the ball park with that engine. They will come up a little when warm. You are seeing what you need to see. They are all within 10% of each other. A good decarboning could even them right out.

    Technically that engine has very little or no market value. I recommend you buy the boat like it has no engine.

    If you post or email me what the boat is, year, model, trailer I can send you back a valuation so you can see where you are at on it.

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    its shame, the rep these motors have. i personally dont know about the problems they have, but ill tell ya my buddy has one. he had the pc replaced, then the power head replaced. but they did get it right on the fuel economy, his boat barely sips the fuel. i actually almost boat that boat

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    If you are planning on purchasing any two cycle engine, have someone look at the cylinders with a bore scope. Just going by a compression guage reading can sometimes be misleading. On an engine that is just starting to show aluminum transfer on the cylinder walls or starting to melt at the top of the crown or ring gland edge, it usually won't be picked up in the early stages by a compression guage. This is one of those engines that you really need to make an extra effort of checking out.

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    1999 Triton Tr-20 - Great Condition - 15,000
    Evinrude 200 Ficht - Compression Numbers above
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunk
    Thats right in the ball park with that engine. They will come up a little when warm. You are seeing what you need to see. They are all within 10% of each other. A good decarboning could even them right out.

    Technically that engine has very little or no market value. I recommend you buy the boat like it has no engine.

    If you post or email me what the boat is, year, model, trailer I can send you back a valuation so you can see where you are at on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerstlerSlim
    1999 Triton Tr-20 - Great Condition - 15,000
    Evinrude 200 Ficht - Compression Numbers above
    Dual Finders wGPS, Trolling Motor, Single Axle Trailer, Cover

    Dave
    It's amazing the prices they get for Bass Boats but I'd run any from it at that price. Like Dunk said the motor has 0 value. It's not worth putting any money into if you do have a problem. So figure on spending 12-16K for a new motor in the next few years and is it a good deal then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FerstlerSlim
    1999 Triton Tr-20 - Great Condition - 15,000
    Evinrude 200 Ficht - Compression Numbers above
    Dual Finders wGPS, Trolling Motor, Single Axle Trailer, Cover

    Dave

    Nothing listed as a TR20


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hammer
    It's amazing the prices they get for Bass Boats but I'd run any from it at that price. Like Dunk said the motor has 0 value. It's not worth putting any money into if you do have a problem. So figure on spending 12-16K for a new motor in the next few years and is it a good deal then?
    Are you kidding? Mike, have you ever used ebay?

    I can pick up a used 1999-2001 Optimax 225 for 4k all day. Used Ficht engines go from 2200-2800. If this engine blows up, i'll have an optimax on there within days (its my plan). I can get at least 1k for the bottom end alone.

    Find me a Triton Tr-20 or 21 That HASNT been beat to crap in the 18000 range and i'll buy it tomorrow. I have looked all over the north east for the last couple of months for a "deal." Most of these tourney boats have been beat hard.

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunk
    Nothing listed as a TR20
    Dunk, I believe it is a Triton TR-20 PDC. The boat labels for the PD and PDC just say "Tr-20." I'm pretty sure the PD is the single console and the PDC is the dual console.

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    This is what Buc has in average condition. Unless that thing is in showroom condition 15K is way high on it. Better condition would add another 10-12% to hull value and Bristol would add 20-25% over average. I don't see it be worth anymore than 9K, 10K tops.

    You got a better shot at the 99 Ficht running than a 99-01 Optimax. Although a good bit of the problems they had with those engines, both OMC and Merc was caused by not having the right oil for them. They didn't have synthetic blends back then. DFI crankcases don't have 10-20gals of cooling fuel blowing thru them. They run hotter and they were burning the straight dino oil in the crankcases causing carbon and coking problems.

    First thing I would do with that Ficht is decarbon it heavily 3-4 times then I wouldn't burn anything in it except Bomb XD50, XD100 or Amsoil pure synthetic oil. The last two are expensive and the XD50 is made for DFI engines. Then it needs decarboned every 50hrs after that.





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    I obviously cant argue with a blue book value. But can you show me a comparable boat that is in that price range in the North east?

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    Quote Originally Posted by procastinator
    My buddy just sold his mint, and I mean mint 21 ft. ranger commanche. It was loaded and spotless with a 225 Mariner EFI for $14,000. It was as clean as a new boat, he wiped the boat and trailer down dry every time it came out of the water. There are good deals around if you look, don't ever fall in love with a boat that is for sale.
    Where did he list it for sale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerstlerSlim
    Are you kidding? Mike, have you ever used ebay?

    I can pick up a used 1999-2001 Optimax 225 for 4k all day. Used Ficht engines go from 2200-2800. If this engine blows up, i'll have an optimax on there within days (its my plan). I can get at least 1k for the bottom end alone.

    Find me a Triton Tr-20 or 21 That HASNT been beat to crap in the 18000 range and i'll buy it tomorrow. I have looked all over the north east for the last couple of months for a "deal." Most of these tourney boats have been beat hard.

    Dave

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    Well you're buying back into another problem then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hammer
    Well you're buying back into another problem then.
    Thats why i'm buying a boat with a blue book value of 15k for 15k, with a infamous motor. Its basic supply and demand at this point and not much you can do about it, other then wait out the market.

    As for the Optimax being a problem, I belive its inarguable to say they had their share of problems, but i dont think the problems are as numerous as the Ficht problems. But that is just what i have read on the internet.

    Mike, you seem to have some very opinionated responses. Where do you get your information from, i would like to study some of the numbers you have seen about Ficht problems and Optimax problems and make my own deductions.

    Thanks,

    Dave

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