I know where the striped bass are!

[seabear]

This link was just sent to me from a VA Beach area fisherman.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tAbhE-tqNNc

[Fishpicker]

Fulton Street ??????

[Rick..still casting]

that video made me sick,, we conserve and fret over our finned friends so this can happen legally,,, the world ain't just and what else is new.

[Skmag357]

wow....that sucks :(

[Mirrobass]

why would you even post that link man that shit gets my blood boiling.:mad:

[striper2278]

AWESOME:rolleyes:

[Fishpicker]

that video made me sick,, we conserve and fret over our finned friends so this can happen legally,,, the world ain't just and what else is new.


It happens here legally it's just called a different name.

[Fishin' Rod]

It's really good to know why we protect those strippers.


Isn't it?????

[Topaz29]

for ruining my day. I spent alot of fuel money and was on the water alot of cold mornings this year and could barely find a keeper.

[Fishpicker]

It's really good to know why we protect those strippers.


Isn't it?????


How Do WE Protect the Stripers ?????

[tater686]

It happens here legally it's just called a different name.

Since when? 2007 commercial regs state:

" It is illegal to take, catch or kill any striped bass form or in any marine waters of this state, by means of a net of any description, or by any methods other than angling with a hook and line or by spear fishing. It is illegal to sell, barter or offer for sale any striped bass or part thereof"

Clearly you must mean that this happens w/ other species, but didnt make yourself clear.

[Fishpicker]

Since when? 2007 commercial regs state:

" It is illegal to take, catch or kill any striped bass form or in any marine waters of this state, by means of a net of any description, or by any methods other than angling with a hook and line or by spear fishing. It is illegal to sell, barter or offer for sale any striped bass or part thereof"

Clearly you must mean that this happens w/ other species, but didnt make yourself clear.


No No We do it here to those precious striped bass !!!!! Think My friend Think !!!!!!!!!

[boostedcpe]

No No We do it here to those precious striped bass !!!!! Think My friend Think !!!!!!!!!

stir, stir, stir there chef you are..........LMFAO, some folks just dont know, do they?:p :p :p ;)

[tater686]

So what the hell was the point of Bush signing an executive order to protect striped bass 200 miles out when individual states can just allow commercials to massacre the stock that traverse the coastline?

[johnny d]

NJ its illegal, in North Carolina it's legal.

Whats the sense of making the Stripe Bass a game fish when this nonsense goes on.:mad:

[Fishpicker]

So what the hell was the point of Bush signing an executive order to protect striped bass 200 miles out when individual states can just allow commercials to massacre the stock that traverses the coastline?


Well if you would have read what was said about that you would know.


Did this act take place in the EEZ ????

[tater686]

No it did not take place in the EEZ, thus the question why protect the fish in the eez and not along the coast -12 miles out?

[killerbee]

Hey fellows. Just wanted to let you know that below that video you can put comments.

So i will... Maybe we can see what that J-Off has to say.

[Fishpicker]

No it did not take place in the EEZ, thus the question why protect the fish in the eez and not along the coast -12 miles out?


Mr Tater do you know where the EEZ starts ???

[Reel-ality]

The area these guys are fishing is not in the EEZ. EEZ is from 3 miles to 200 miles. While it is unpleasant to watch it is legal there. Because it is legal these commercial fishermen are within their rights to fish there.

[johnny d]

No it did not take place in the EEZ, thus the question why protect the fish in the eez and not along the coast -12 miles out?

When the president signed into law making the Stripebass a Gamefish it was protected only in federal waters, 3 miles off the beach out to 200 miles offshore. Stripebass aren't protected by the Gamefish status in State waters which is from the beach out to 3 miles.

[Fishpicker]

When the president signed into law making the Stripebass a Gamefish it was protected only in federal waters, 3 miles off the beach out to 200 miles offshore. Stripebass aren't protected by the Gamefish status in State waters which is from the beach out to 3 miles.


In Some state waters.

[johnny d]

The question is WHY is this slaughter allowed to take place in NC year after year? While every other state on the East coast prohibits this type of fishery.

[Sandollar's Child]

The question is WHY is this slaughter allowed to take place in NC year after year? While every other state on the East coast prohibits this type of fishery.

Why is it a slaughter when commercial guys take fish and not when sports take fish ???:confused:

[Fishpicker]

Why is it a slaughter when commercial guys take fish and not when sports take fish ???:confused:


They still haven't figured out that we do the same here.

[tater686]

I assumed it was where Federal waters began, 3 miles, up to 200 miles, but apparently it is from the baseline to 200 miles. I'm not familiar with the geography of NC, but I'd say that it probably was in the EEZ. Whats the point?

[Fishpicker]

I assumed it was where Federal waters began, 3 miles, up to 200 miles, but apparently it is from the baseline to 200 miles. I'm not familiar with the geography of NC, but I'd say that it probably was in the EEZ. Whats the point?


First point is ya have to know what the players in a game are before ya start playing.

Please reread the Sixth post back from Johnny D

[johnny d]

Why is it a slaughter when commercial guys take fish and not when sports take fish ???:confused:

Using nets on the beach is a slaughter because anything that swims by that is caught is dead by the time they pull their nets.

This is a commercial video and not showing the red drum and other fish caught in the other nets or there would be a even bigger outcry.

I ask again WHY is NC allowed to continued this slaughter while no other state along the East coast allows this type of fishery?

[johnny d]

They still haven't figured out that we do the same here.

I might not be right, but aren't You allowed by law if you are targeting bunker and catch stripers by accident that you can keep the stripers as a by product to fill a certain quota?

[Sandollar's Child]

I might not be right, but aren't You allowed by law if you are targeting bunker and catch stripers by accident that you can keep the stripers as a by product to fill a certain quota?

Johnny D The commerical quota in NJ was given to the Sports that is where your bonus tag comes from. :rolleyes:

[FastFred]

That's very disturbing. When you think of all the conservation efforts that go into striped bass management, then you see that, it's really heart-breaking.

That foolishness should be stopped before the dessimate the stocks back down to 1970's numbers.

And yeah, Picker, it is a slaughter when these guys are hauling numbers like that, and recreational anglers up here are limited (for good reason) to 2 or 3 fish per day.

No fish or game has ever been fished or hunted to near extinction by recreational hunters and fisherman. It's called being a responsible human being and being a good steward of the earth and all it's creatures. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

If these guys are only allowed to do this for 3 days a year, obviously they have other jobs that they support themselves with. Why let them do this?

[Sandollar's Child]

That's very disturbing. When you think of all the conservation efforts that go into striped bass management, then you see that, it's really heart-breaking.

That foolishness should be stopped before the dessimate the stocks back down to 1970's numbers.

And yeah, Picker, it is a slaughter when these guys are hauling numbers like that, and recreational anglers up here are limited (for good reason) to 2 or 3 fish per day.

No fish or game has ever been fished or hunted to near extinction by recreational hunters and fisherman. It's called being a responsible human being and being a good steward of the earth and all it's creatures. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

If these guys are only allowed to do this for 3 days a year, obviosly they have other jobs that they support themselves with. Why let them have this?


Two to Three fish per day by how many. I think you would be surprised at the amount of Stripers Harvested by sports.

Did you forget the passenger pigeon ?:eek:

[wentfishn47]

I might not be right, but aren't You allowed by law if you are targeting bunker and catch stripers by accident that you can keep the stripers as a by product to fill a certain quota?

John, They have to put back all the bass they net dead or alive. Putting back dead fish is a waste IMO but that is the law.

What they are doing in NC is legal do I like that they are doing NO but they are allowed to do so because the regulations in the sate of NC lets them do it just like the regulations up here let us have 2 at 28" and over.

Waters out to 3 miles is regulated by the states 3 miles to 200 miles federal regulations apply...

[Fishpicker]

That's very disturbing. When you think of all the conservation efforts that go into striped bass management, then you see that, it's really heart-breaking.

That foolishness should be stopped before the dessimate the stocks back down to 1970's numbers.

And yeah, Picker, it is a slaughter when these guys are hauling numbers like that, and recreational anglers up here are limited (for good reason) to 2 or 3 fish per day.

No fish or game has ever been fished or hunted to near extinction by recreational hunters and fisherman. It's called being a responsible human being and being a good steward of the earth and all it's creatures. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

If these guys are only allowed to do this for 3 days a year, obviously they have other jobs that they support themselves with. Why let them do this?



Your preaching to the wrong choir !!!! I watched a guy all Fall make three trips a day carrying a average of 8 people per trip all catching there 3 fish limit. He anchored up right outside where I worked all fall , Was his operation Disgusting ???? Of course not why because he killed them with a hook and line so that makes it ok.

So he go back to that same old question......... What is the difference between a fish killed in a net or a fish killed by a hook ????? There is no difference there both DEAD !

[Fishpicker]

Johnny D The commerical quota in NJ was given to the Sports that is where your bonus tag comes from. :rolleyes:


Thank you !!!!!!

Some where alone the line the gods said there was a difference between Dead Fish.

[Blynch]

absolutely nauseating. Looks like the virginian seafood sellers are makin a killing off our conservation efforts

[Fighting Irish45]

Thats F%$^ING BU#*SH%T!!!!!!!!!

[Dirty Rotten]

I'll come out and say it. I don't understand why a lot of guys on the board here Freak out everytime a Big fish or A Lot of fish get killed. We All Fish. We All Kill Fish. We're not doing them any favors. We complain that the comms get more so we get less. So we Want More. So we can Kill Some More. In the name of Conservation. Because when we Kill them it's Sport and when they do it's a Slaughter. These guys kill fish to Feed People and Make a Living. We Do It For FUN!!!! Yes it's important to protect the stocks. Sport Fisherman and Hunters have historicaly been the ones to really make efforts to protect wildlife. But we've got Enviros now. We Need to be on the Same Page! You want to fish for Fluke and Tog next year? Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Let's focus our energy on the Enviros and the Poachers. We'll Kill Our Share to feed our selves and the Folks at the Super Markets together.

[Fishpicker]

I'll come out and say it. I don't understand why a lot of guys on the board here Freak out everytime a Big fish or A Lot of fish get killed. We All Fish. We All Kill Fish. We're not doing them any favors. We complain that the comms get more so we get less. So we Want More. So we can Kill Some More. In the name of Conservation. Because when we Kill them it's Sport and when they do it's a Slaughter. These guys kill fish to Feed People and Make a Living. We Do It For FUN!!!! Yes it's important to protect the stocks. Sport Fisherman and Hunters have historicaly been the ones to really make efforts to protect wildlife. But we've got Enviros now. We Need to be on the Same Page! You want to fish for Fluke and Tog next year? Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Let's focus our energy on the Enviros and the Poachers. We'll Kill Our Share to feed our selves and the Folks at the Super Markets together.


Very well said.

[Dunk]

NC is nothing compared to what MD takes in the pound nets in the Chess bay..and they take 18" fish..

The point is the stripers have been saved. Their back, their here.. Now go talk to the crab guys in the Del and Chess bay and see what they say about the stripers being back. Crab meat is 25 bucks a pound now.

Yes, I agree with Dirty Rotten on most of what he said.

[striper2278]

I'll come out and say it. I don't understand why a lot of guys on the board here Freak out everytime a Big fish or A Lot of fish get killed. We All Fish. We All Kill Fish. We're not doing them any favors. We complain that the comms get more so we get less. So we Want More. So we can Kill Some More. In the name of Conservation. Because when we Kill them it's Sport and when they do it's a Slaughter. These guys kill fish to Feed People and Make a Living. We Do It For FUN!!!! Yes it's important to protect the stocks. Sport Fisherman and Hunters have historicaly been the ones to really make efforts to protect wildlife. But we've got Enviros now. We Need to be on the Same Page! You want to fish for Fluke and Tog next year? Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Let's focus our energy on the Enviros and the Poachers. We'll Kill Our Share to feed our selves and the Folks at the Super Markets together.Yeah, and that was only one truck you were watching there...I've been down there this time of the year many times....about 200 trucks racing up and down the beaches. Didn't anyone see the size of the fish...I'd bet alot of females in there....that's what hurts! I can honestly say as a "charter boat" that all those big fish seen in that clip....there is no way even close that we caught or killed even close to that number.....if you want to see something really bad...take a ride down to VA or NC one winter around the marina's.....everyone is to blame down there....I know I go every winter....Point is we all contribute.....But if it is a gamefish....make it a game fish coastwide!

[FISH BUCKET]

yes there are a few rec fishermen who over harvest but most if not all comms over harvest!
if comms had their way,they would clean the ocean out in as short a time as possible!
what is really disgusting is recreational fishermen defending comms!
peta doesn't want us to fish and the comms don't want us to have anything left to fish for.

[Fishpicker]

yes there are a few rec fishermen who over harvest but most if not all comms over harvest!
if comms had their way,they would clean the ocean out in as short a time as possible!
what is really disgusting is recreational fishermen defending comms!
peta doesn't want us to fish and the comms don't want us to have anything left to fish for.


Yeah we want to clean out the ocean............ Brillant That means we would be out of work !!!!

[Keeper Seeker]

Your preaching to the wrong choir !!!! I watched a guy all Fall make three trips a day carrying a average of 8 people per trip all catching there 3 fish limit. He anchored up right outside where I worked all fall , Was his operation Disgusting ???? Of course not why because he killed them with a hook and line so that makes it ok.

So he go back to that same old question......... What is the difference between a fish killed in a net or a fish killed by a hook ????? There is no difference there both DEAD !


The guy you watched all fall do this is not a recreational angler. A commercial operation is not defined by the method of harvest (ie. mechanized or hook and line), but by the fact that the operation is being carried out for the procurument of money. In other words pertaining to commerce. The fares on the boat may be recreational fishermen but the operation itself is a commercial one. No matter how they are defined and regulated by the powers that be, that is the reality of it. Once again it is the system that is at fault for allowing this type of thing to go on as it does.

And you are absolutely correct... they are all dead fish.

[FISH BUCKET]

it isn't brilliant,it's down right stupid but it's the truth.
how many species have you guys decimated?
you're like drug addicts who can't stop themselves.
and unfortunately the politicians keep feeding your habit.

[Ugly Mug 2]

Probably posted by PETA! To get this desired effect;) Recs and Comms at each others throat....................They just keep twisting the screw....

[FISH BUCKET]

thats a real astute comment.http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
it would be in our favor(recs and comms) to unite against a common foe-peta!comms and recs have their differences but at least they both want to fish.peta would stop both of us if they get their way!http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

[JoeyZac]

..............So he go back to that same old question......... What is the difference between a fish killed in a net or a fish killed by a hook ????? There is no difference there both DEAD !

A fish caught by hook that is small or of a non-tageted species can be released and will survive if treated with care.

Any fish caught by a gill net is dead. There is no option to keep/kill "only the keepers". Go in the net and you die. Indiscriminate kiling, and that is what makes it a slaughter.

THAT is the difference, and you know enough that you shouldn't need it explained to you either.

[Fishpicker]

A fish caught by hook that is small or of a non-tageted species can be released and will survive if treated with care.

Any fish caught by a gill net is dead. There is no option to keep/kill "only the keepers". Go in the net and you die. Indiscriminate kiling, and that is what makes it a slaughter.

THAT is the difference, and you know enough that you shouldn't need it explained to you either.


Mr Zac I don't need to ask this question I'm sure that you are a expert. Could you please list the gill net boats that you have been on also please tell us you years of experience.

What is the difference if a fish is killed by hook or by net ?????

[Fishpicker]

The guy you watched all fall do this is not a recreational angler. A commercial operation is not defined by the method of harvest (ie. mechanized or hook and line), but by the fact that the operation is being carried out for the procurument of money. In other words pertaining to commerce. The fares on the boat may be recreational fishermen but the operation itself is a commercial one. No matter how they are defined and regulated by the powers that be, that is the reality of it. Once again it is the system that is at fault for allowing this type of thing to go on as it does.

And you are absolutely correct... they are all dead fish.


NO NO NO he is a Rec angler there is no Comm Striper harvast here in NJ

[JoeyZac]

Mr Zac I don't need to ask this question I'm sure that you are a expert. Could you please list the gill net boats that you have been on also please tell us you years of experience.

What is the difference if a fish is killed by hook or by net ?????

Never even seen a gill net in person. Don't need to. You don't want to discuss it. All you want to do is spout rhetoric.

HOW a fish dies (net, hook, finger in the eye) is irrelevant.

It is the mechanism of indiscriminately killing all fish (as a gill net will do) that is the subject of debate here.

But please, ignore the subject and continue with your usual BS.

[Sandollar's Child]

A fish caught by hook that is small or of a non-tageted species can be released and will survive if treated with care.

Any fish caught by a gill net is dead. There is no option to keep/kill "only the keepers". Go in the net and you die. Indiscriminate kiling, and that is what makes it a slaughter.

THAT is the difference, and you know enough that you shouldn't need it explained to you either.

JZ

What about gut hooked fish ? That's why I use circle hooks.

No... any fish caught in a Gill net is not necessarily dead. Especially if the net is tended or hauled back in a reasonable amount of time. As long as a gilled or nosed in fish can breathe it will survive.

There was no indiscrimated killing. The set was clean targeted species of a certain size. Plus it was a legal permitted activity.

A gill net can be tailored by mesh size, twine size ( lb test) depth, how it is hung etc etc to target certain species and sizes.

When I used to Gillnet for Shad along the beach in the spring with anchored gillnets. I would use 5 to 6 inch mesh with a light twine. This allowed me to catch the Shad while letting the stripers escape. Smaller fish would go through the larger fish would bust through. My Sport buddies on the beach swore up and down that I was "mugging" stripers. All they could see was the silver fish coming over the stern. I took a couple of them for a ride so they could see what was happening. They sang a different tune. BTW That fishery is another commercial enterprise that for all intents and purposes has been shut down in NJ.


I suggset that those who don't know take the time to educate themselves as to how the commercial gear, regulations, enforcement, fines and Novas work.

[toghog2005]

Fulton Street ?????? they moved to hunts point years ago............hummmm....thought someeone in your field would know this????

[JoeyZac]

Sand-

Not questioning the legality of this.

Gut-hooked fish do happen, but come on, we both know they are the exception, not the rule.

I have seen pictures of gill nets pulling in all kinds of "non-tageted" and "small" fish.

Education is good. In some cases eyes are better.

[Sandollar's Child]

Sand-

Not questioning the legality of this.

Gut-hooked fish do happen, but come on, we both know they are the exception, not the rule.

I have seen pictures of gill nets pulling in all kinds of "non-tageted" and "small" fish.

Education is good. In some cases eyes are better.


Constructive suggestion. Get out from behind the key board and visith the pack out docks in BL. Viking Village even has a tour in the summertime. THat will take care of the eyes thing.:D

The pictures that I assume. And I know I should never assume. Are nets that are untended and left for a period of time. That is not the case here.
If you look closely you will see that many of these fish are still alive.

[capemaychef]

That's the fish I want to pay upwards to $11 a pound...the kind that have sat dead in the water for sometime...1/2 of them are stiff as a board....

I'm not going to get into right or wrong...comm vs rec...but like many said...we just need to all be on the same page.

How long were the fish under the water dead for? 1/2 to 3/4 looked like they were past the rigor stage...or in the rigor stage.

[JoeyZac]

Constructive suggestion. Get out from behind the key board and visith the pack out docks in BL. Viking Village even has a tour in the summertime. THat will take care of the eyes thing.:D

The pictures that I assume. And I know I should never assume. Are nets that are untended and left for a period of time. That is not the case here.
If you look closely you will see that many of these fish are still alive.

Any time I get away from a keyboard is spent fishing or skiing. I have no interest in touring a commercial operation of any industry, even fishing.

Some time on a crab boat in Alaska might be an exception to that.

Is "untended" nets left for a period of time a legal practice?

I'm not dead set against comms. They are an important part of the economy and have a right to be there too (I use the "right" with all angling cautiously).

If comms can't understand why a video like that upsets rec anglers though, then there really isn't going to be much to discuss.

We can just fight amongst ourselves, let neither side budge, and eventually the enviros will use the courts to successfully get rid of all of us.

[Sandollar's Child]

Any time I get away from a keyboard is spent fishing or skiing. I have no interest in touring a commercial operation of any industry, even fishing.

Some time on a crab boat in Alaska might be an exception to that.

Is "untended" nets left for a period of time a legal practice?

I'm not dead set against comms. They are an important part of the economy and have a right to be there too (I use the "right" with all angling cautiously).

If comms can't understand why a video like that upsets rec anglers though, then there really isn't going to be much to discuss.

We can just fight amongst ourselves, let neither side budge, and eventually the enviros will use the courts to successfully get rid of all of us.





That is what Sports don't understand. The commercial guys have "budged". All sorts of fisheries stopped, resticted, limited entry, quotas, observers, ( Some who submitted false reports or charged for trips they did not take I might add) monitoring devices, restricted days at sea etc etc. I have seen the Striped Bass and Redfish taken away from the commercial sector. Shad fishing along the beach literally shut down. Tog up for gamefish status. In Barnegat Light a lucrative dogfish fishey was literally shut down with no or little notice. You know that they are in decline and in need of protection :rolleyes: etc etc.

I don't understand why a commercial guy would post that video. Funny thing I checked that video again and went to the guys ( Outerbankseaweed) site. Maybe the Barn would like to check it out It opens up to the thought perhaps it was someone else that posted it. It reminds me of the picture of a legal clean fluke catch that was described and posted here as a discard by catch that had the Barn in a Turmoil just about a year ago.

Sorry you don't want to take the tour . That's your loss.

I agree with you on the last paragraph.

[Fishpicker]

JZ

What about gut hooked fish ? That's why I use circle hooks.

No... any fish caught in a Gill net is not necessarily dead. Especially if the net is tended or hauled back in a reasonable amount of time. As long as a gilled or nosed in fish can breathe it will survive.

There was no indiscrimated killing. The set was clean targeted species of a certain size. Plus it was a legal permitted activity.

A gill net can be tailored by mesh size, twine size ( lb test) depth, how it is hung etc etc to target certain species and sizes.

When I used to Gillnet for Shad along the beach in the spring with anchored gillnets. I would use 5 to 6 inch mesh with a light twine. This allowed me to catch the Shad while letting the stripers escape. Smaller fish would go through the larger fish would bust through. My Sport buddies on the beach swore up and down that I was "mugging" stripers. All they could see was the silver fish coming over the stern. I took a couple of them for a ride so they could see what was happening. They sang a different tune. BTW That fishery is another commercial enterprise that for all intents and purposes has been shut down in NJ.


I suggset that those who don't know take the time to educate themselves as to how the commercial gear, regulations, enforcement, fines and Novas work.


Nicely done I was gonna go for a slower kill but what we got him capt :)

[Fishpicker]

they moved to hunts point years ago............hummmm....thought someeone in your field would know this????


It will always be Fulton Street to me. I'll always love that place , I had a dream that I filled so many boxes that they hung up a picture of me.

[Fishpicker]

Any time I get away from a keyboard is spent fishing or skiing. I have no interest in touring a commercial operation of any industry, even fishing.

Some time on a crab boat in Alaska might be an exception to that.

Is "untended" nets left for a period of time a legal practice?

I'm not dead set against comms. They are an important part of the economy and have a right to be there too (I use the "right" with all angling cautiously).

If comms can't understand why a video like that upsets rec anglers though, then there really isn't going to be much to discuss.

We can just fight amongst ourselves, let neither side budge, and eventually the enviros will use the courts to successfully get rid of all of us.



How can you make statements like that when you have never ever seen it ?

[toghog2005]

It will always be Fulton Street to me. I'll always love that place , I had a dream that I filled so many boxes that they hung up a picture of me. how long have you be retired??? your not dreaming while your posting ,are you ?

[JoeyZac]

How can you make statements like that when you have never ever seen it ?

Seen what? A gill net? Or a comm operation?

Don't need to see it live. I've seen pictures, and I employ someone who works seasonally for the government as an "observer" on comm boats in Alaska.

I get a lot of info (and some really great pictures) from him.

[JP Canning]

Maybe you should come on down and see first hand whats happening;)

Picker didn't sleep here last week when he waqs here:rolleyes:

So the bead is still clean.;)

[surf fisher]

when i was walking along the beach in avalon this november(thanksgiving weekend) I encountered hundreds of dead stripers and blues of all sizes (anywhere from 20-40) inches so to say that certain sizes can be targeted isnt the best statement. And look at what florida has done and how their fishing is flourishing

[JoeyZac]

Spent a few minutes online trying to find pictures of hauls from gill nets. Can't really find any.

I wonder why?

[JerseyZuks]

Just watched the video again. Saw very few fish flopping around, meaning that 90% or more are dead when they are hauled up on the beach. Even those that were still flopping, it was just barely.

I saw no one measuring the fish, no one returning the undersided or non-target fish to the water.

Sorry Picker, this is the true definition of "slaughter"

[Sandollar's Child]

Just watched the video again. Saw very few fish flopping around, meaning that 90% or more are dead when they are hauled up on the beach. Even those that were still flopping, it was just barely.

I saw no one measuring the fish, no one returning the undersided or non-target fish to the water.

Sorry Picker, this is the true definition of "slaughter"

I think the video was edited a bit. The time it took to haul up a section of net on the beach and the Video were not in real time. If you notice towards the end of the shot ( IE the end of the net) as it comes out of the water the fish are lively. There was no video of the guys pickin. ie taking the fish out of the net.

Yes the fish in this net die. They are going to market. I still call it Fulton too. :) I don't know what else is legal to catch in these sets.

You may want to check the website out of the guy who took this video. His name is on the right hand upper corner of the page. I'll leave the conclusions up to you.

[Fishpicker]

Spent a few minutes online trying to find pictures of hauls from gill nets. Can't really find any.

I wonder why?


You didn't look to hard There is a great Video of a gill netter bunker fishing. It's on a rival site that is for Sportfishermen.

JZ when you and your co worker haul the amount of gear that I have then by all means feel free to make broad statements. Ya gotto love it when somebody that has never witnessed another's profession but is a expert at it.

[JoeyZac]

You didn't look to hard There is a great Video of a gill netter bunker fishing. It's on a rival site that is for Sportfishermen.

JZ when you and your co worker haul the amount of gear that I have then by all means feel free to make broad statements. Ya gotto love it when somebody that has never witnessed another's profession but is a expert at it.

Please educate me.

How does a net tell the difference between species and only capture/kill "targeted" species of legal size?

And I am being serious. Please. I would like to know.

On a side note, you are so bent on arguing with me on everything that you haven't even noticed that I have been defending the NC comm on the video in this thread. You have totally lost your objectivity when it comes to dealing with me.

I'm not that tough to work with. Calm down, get a grip, and try to be reasonable.

[Fishpicker]

Please educate me.

How does a net tell the difference between species and only capture/kill "targeted" species of legal size?

And I am being serious. Please. I would like to know.


JZ were you able to fine the Video ????? Please find it !!!!!

Until you see it with your own eyes you'll never understand that 1/8 of a inch make all the difference in the world.

Find that video Again the rival site is all about Sportfishermen.

[Dunk]

That's the fish I want to pay upwards to $11 a pound...the kind that have sat dead in the water for sometime...1/2 of them are stiff as a board....

I'm not going to get into right or wrong...comm vs rec...but like many said...we just need to all be on the same page.

How long were the fish under the water dead for? 1/2 to 3/4 looked like they were past the rigor stage...or in the rigor stage.

Yep, if the Recs and Coms don't get on the same page quick things will go bad from a third direction. Pew and Peta are the ones we should all being going after. And I mean going after offensively, not defending ourselves after they start.

I'm kind of surprized to see that many big fish in a NC net. You might want to check out NC's Striper limits here. 18" inside the inlets and 28" outside. http://www.ncfisheries.net/content/strbass/stribass.htm

Joey, you really should go watch what goes on on few commercial docks. It's not a bad way to kill an hour or so.. Sanddollar's right the commercial boys have taken a beating on lots of things. I fished commercially in FL years ago. A buddy had a tile/sword long-line boat, Trust me, it's lot more work than you can imagine if you've never done it. When I moved my headboat to the Keys before I started hauling enough heads I jacked as many Yellowtail/Mutton snapper and Grouper to sell at 2 bucks pound as I could on a 7hr trip. When I started putting fish on the dock it attracted 6-8 retired guy's(from N Jersey) that sold their Yellowtails to pay to fish 5 days a week. Those guys were great. They were there everyday at 7am netting bait in the basin for the trip. They'd have 3-4 buckets full of glass minnows ready go for chum at 930 when we left the dock. They'd talk people onto the boat for me before I got there. Some days if only 1-2-3 of them would show up I'd still run the trip because I could fish and sell to make up the difference, plus have fish to show at the dock for people checking out the boat for the next day's fishing. Without being able to sell fish back in the 80's in the Keys I would never have survived until I starting carrying enough heads to call it a biz.

Again, if we, the ones who want to fish don't get organized against the enviro nuts their going to screw us all..

As I said before the Stripers have been saved.. I don't agree with this gamefish thing on Stripers in NJ at all. If anything we should make Bluefish a gamefish. There's less of them around than there are Stripers and probably by 3 times. How about the weakfish?? Remember them? You can't even buy a Striper dinner in a resturant in Jersey unless it's a farm raised striper. Something just isn't right about that..

[JoeyZac]

JZ were you able to fine the Video ????? Please find it !!!!!

Until you see it with your own eyes you'll never understand that 1/8 of a inch make all the difference in the world.

Find that video Again the rival site is all about Sportfishermen.

Picker-

I'm not going to say there aren't circumstances where one gets a "perfect set". I didn't see any fish other than stripers in the net on the video in question.

I am questioning nets in general. How does a net know the difference between one species and another? How does a net capture/kill only the "targeted" species?

Why can't you just answer those 2 questions instead of avoiding them?

[Fishpicker]

Picker-

I'm not going to say there aren't circumstances where one gets a "perfect set". I didn't see any fish other than stripers in the net on the video in question.

I am questioning nets in general. How does a net know the difference between one species and another? How does a net capture/kill only the "targeted" species?

Why can't you just answer those 2 questions instead of avoiding them?


The video is important because it is educational.

One size gill net doesn't fit all If that was the case I would have well over 300 barrels of all different shapes and sizes with new one on order. Ya have to see it with your own eyes to understand.

[JoeyZac]

Dunk-

I'm not looking to kill the comms, but I do know that some comm practices (nets) kill a lot of non-targeted fish. I know they're not doing it on purpose, and that they're only trying to make a living, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

I've also been preaching that we need to take on the enviros in court for months. All that makes me is a sissy thread terrorist though, since I'm not man enough to "take one for the team" and "shut down some bridges".

Some people just want to fight and/or bitch and do nothing else. I'm looking for solutions, not fights, but I'm not going to agree with everyone just for the sake of disagreeing.

I'll say it again, if someone can't understand why that video upsets a rec who is throwing back 27" stripers all year long, then that person is not being reasonable at all.

[JoeyZac]

The video is important because it is educational.

One size gill net doesn't fit all If that was the case I would have well over 300 barrels of all different shapes and sizes with new one on order. Ya have to see it with your own eyes to understand.

You still are not answering either question.

[JoeyZac]

At your request I went looking again, found this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvTsUA4RWRE

For all I know this is some enviro nut who stole a net and rigged it to make a cheesy video, so you tell me, does this look like a legit net with a normal catch that got washed up or is this a fake?

You tell me. And please don't say you have no way of knowing. With your vast experience, I"m sure you can take a pretty good guess.

[Fishpicker]

At your request I went looking again, found this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvTsUA4RWRE

For all I know this is some enviro nut who stole a net and rigged it to make a cheesy video, so you tell me, does this look like a legit net with a normal catch that got washed up or is this a fake?

You tell me. And please don't say you have no way of knowing. With your vast experience, I"m sure you can take a pretty good guess.


Please Read slowly The Video is on a Rival Web site that is geared Towards Sportfishermen search Dead stripers video.

[Bigfish36]

Picker-

I'm not going to say there aren't circumstances where one gets a "perfect set". I didn't see any fish other than stripers in the net on the video in question.

I am questioning nets in general. How does a net know the difference between one species and another? How does a net capture/kill only the "targeted" species?

Why can't you just answer those 2 questions instead of avoiding them?

JZ, I think Sandollar already explained this pretty good in post #52.

[JoeyZac]

JZ, I think Sandollar already explained this pretty good in post #52.

And post #52 was excellent (really), but we all know that you can "target" anything you want, and what you catch may be a totally different thing.

[capemaychef]

we (fisherman...regardless if you do it as a profession or if you do it for fun....comm/rec) we will be the doom of fishing in general.

Everyone spends too much time fighting with each other than if they just stuck up for each other and geared that crap towards the idiots in Peta...and any of that other crap.

I'm not saying you have to agree with the comm's or like them...but they make up a big portion of the fishing population and to battle them and peta is a lose lose situation.

I for one...need to learn as much as I can regarding both sides....I wouldn't feel right at a meeting etc because I would feel out of place not knowing what's goingon...but I guess the only way to learn is to go to one...

[Keeper Seeker]

if someone can't understand why that video upsets a rec who is throwing back 27" stripers all year long, then that person is not being reasonable at all.

This is it for me in a nutshell. I am not against the commercial guys at all. If they're fishing within the regs which they are governed by, then more power to them. I don't agree with the practice of gillnetting, but it is legal and the fishermen are not the ones at fault. It is the people who establish these regs (both rec and com) who are responsible for the disparity. It is the total lack of common sense with these people who establish the regs that is baffeling to me.

Yes... this video pisses me off! And that's why. Someone tell me how it is justifiable for this to go on, or for the guy who spends big bucks on a boat, slip, bait, and fuel to be able to take as many as three cows in a two or three hour trip, for everyone on the boat, over and over again, While I can fish hard from land sometimes for weeks at a time without taking a legal fish home for my family for the table. I didn't ask why it is legal, but how it is justifiable?

The regs are simply NOT about the protection of the species, obviously there are plenty of Stripers now. It's all about $$$$$.

[JoeyZac]

This is it for me in a nutshell. I am not against the commercial guys at all. If they're fishing within the regs which they are governed by, then more power to them. I don't agree with the practice of gillnetting, but it is legal and the fishermen are not the ones at fault. It is the people who establish these regs (both rec and com) who are responsible for the disparity. It is the total lack of common sense with these people who establish the regs that is baffeling to me.

Yes... this video pisses me off! And that's why. Someone tell me how it is justifiable for this to go on, or for the guy who spends big bucks on a boat, slip, bait, and fuel to be able to take as many as three cows in a two or three hour trip, for everyone on the boat, over and over again, While I can fish hard from land sometimes for weeks at a time without taking a legal fish home for my family for the table. I didn't ask why it is legal, but how it is justifiable?

The regs are simply NOT about the protection of the species, obviously there are plenty of Stripers now. It's all about $$$$$.

Why can't you take a fish home from the surf?

[Keeper Seeker]

Why can't you take a fish home from the surf?

You can, legal fish is over 28"... the vast majority of the fish caught by myself, as a landbased angler, are would be slot fish. Keeper fish are for the most part over the entire course of the year not the norm.

[Sandollar's Child]

For those of you that think that the Commercial guys are raping and pillaging the Stripers the statistics from the North Carolina Division of Marine fisheries web site is very interesting.




Commercial Recreational Landings

Year Pounds Pounds Hook Line Pounds Rec Gear
2005 848,179 2,195,043
2006 270,932 2,112,024 13,895


You don't have to be an actuary to realize that the Commercial sector harvested
about 11.3 % in 2006.


It is also interesting to note the decrease in the commercial catch from 2005 to 2006 which may be attributed to regulation.

I have looked for these kind of statistics for NJ can't seem to find them. Does anyone know where they can be found.?

[eelball]

I can't wait till the stock colapses again, so this crap can end.