NC Beach Seine Regulations

[Guatemala Dave]

I was doing a rainy winters day surf and came up with this link to the NC. Beach Seine Regulations It will shed a little more light on the Beach Seine video.

NC Beach Seine Regulations (http://www.ncfisheries.net/procs/procs2k8/FF-1-2008.html)

[Sir Reel]

That's interesing... if I read it right, each operation can only keep 50 fish per day, for 3 days, totally 150 fish. That really is not all that much. I saw the video, however, and wonder whether any of the fish that are brought up on the beach and have to be returned (under 28" or once the 50 fish are reached) make it back alive. Some of them looked like they sit there for a little while.

It also noted, however, that a net can only be in the water for 2 hours. That isnt a very long time.

[Vince Boyle]

Dear Sir
Few if any are returned to the surf and if they are the likelihood of survival is slim to none after having been pulled out of a gill net. Look how much care is given to release a bass caught by hook & line. The next vidio
should show the extraction of the fish from the net.
Yes I am ticked off that so many Ststes have gone to so much effort to protect the fish while a few States allow our protected migratory fish to be netted while they are in this tightly schooled area.

[Bob ECT]

That's interesing... if I read it right, each operation can only keep 50 fish per day, for 3 days, totally 150 fish. That really is not all that much. I saw the video, however, and wonder whether any of the fish that are brought up on the beach and have to be returned (under 28" or once the 50 fish are reached) make it back alive. Some of them looked like they sit there for a little while.

It also noted, however, that a net can only be in the water for 2 hours. That isnt a very long time.

Guess what happens when there's more then 50????????????????

They keep the biggest and toss the rest back after spending a long time on the beach.

There's simply no excuse why this qouta shouldn't be caught from a boat where they can toss back what they don't want.

NC is the worst State in country for fish.

[madmax]

Guess what happens when there's more then 50????????????????

They keep the biggest and toss the rest back after spending a long time on the beach.
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Recrecational fisherman in NJ do the same thing x 1,000,000 rec fisherman.

[FISH BUCKET]

madmax,are you shittin' me or are you just trying to stir things up?
if you believe that happens you must not surf fish in nj.
sounds like a knee jerk n.c. response!

[waterman579]

Recrecational fisherman in NJ do the same thing x 1,000,000 rec fisherman.

Hey he's not stirring the pot its the truth you guys just don't like to hear it when its thrown back in your face,in the NC beach seine season you are talking about 3 days in the northeast you have close to 200 days i bet more fish are incidentally killed by rec in a day than the damage these guys will do in a few yrs combined

[joe2617]

There is a TON of high grading that goes on down there. They need to change the regs to # of pounds not # of fish.

[Franks Seaswirl]

While legal it is barbaric in that yes fish are killed during this free for all. And you can bet limits are not monitor. If NC is going to allow this 3 day event they need to better monitor it.

[snprblue2]

How far do the nets go out? I cannot see how a fisherman can stop/know that he has 50 fish in the net.

As an FYI the NC commericial fishery is extremely depressed due to foreign shrimp etc. and their local politicians are the most powerful bloc in the state. (I believe Marc Basnight sp. is the rep from this area and he is extremely powerful in Raleigh) Just some backfround info.

[RELEASE]

Regulations are only as good as the enforcement...

[Guatemala Dave]

Everyone seems to agree that the fish in the video were "GILLED" as in a gill net. And from every indication the net is being worked as a GILL Net. It is being pulled from one end and all the trapped fish are hanging Gilled. The truck is pulling only one end and the last thing you see is the Float Ball being pulled onto the beach.

It is my belief that a Haul Seine is made of smaller mesh that will not allow fish to swim thru or gill and that both ends are pulled together which constricts the fish into a pocket in the middle of the net, which would be the last part pulled onto the beach.

In the above case it would be easy to release undersized or ofer the limit fish.

Here is NJ's description of a Haul Seine:

HAUL SEINE
SEASON: November 1 to April 30
AREA: Inland marine waters, bays, coves, rivers and creeks except Lake Takanassee, Spring Lake, Wreck Pond and Deal Lake; Atlantic Ocean but
not within 300 feet of coastline. No haul seine may be used beneath the ice in any waters.
GEAR: Mesh not less than 2.75 inches stretched and length not to exceed 70 fathoms (420 feet), whether singly or in series. See General Gear
Marking Requirements.
FEE: $25.00 per net.

At least the beach is completely off limits in NJ

Here is the pertanant part of the NC regulations.

For the purpose of this proclamation, a beach seine is defined as a net set vertically in the water and pulled by hand or power to the shore to capture fish. A beach seine consists of warp lines, wings and a bunt.
Beach seines are required to be deployed only from vessels that are launched from the ocean beach where the operation is fishing. One end of the beach seine must be attached to shore at all times during the operation.
Beach seine operations are limited to seines of no more than 500 yards in length (excluding warp lines) when constructed of monofilament webbing (one net or in any combination of nets). Warp lines shall be no more than 1000 yards in length.
A net unattended or remaining in the water for more than two hours duration will be considered a gill net, not a beach seine

It sure appeared to me that the fish were captured (GILLED) before they were pulled to the beach and if you ad up the lengths you could be basicly be setting a 1,500 foot gill net 3,000 feet from the beach which means you could be effectively covering 4,500 feet from the beach which is almost 3/4 mile.


I know we have some pretty good surf casters here on the barn which on their best day can put 1 hook 500 feet from the beach and hope a hungary fish finds it.

I know these guys make a lot of water hauls and work their buts off for what they make, and I personally believe the resourse is viable and a few fishermen in a three day season aren't causing any damage. BUT is this really the best use of the resourse?

I believe on many levels (which will not be discussed now) that the Striped Bass is much more valuable as a Game fish and videos like this are important to keep the pot stirred and the pressure on those states that allow any sale of stripers in any form.

So keep your camera with you and post those ugly videos.

[Bob ECT]

Recrecational fisherman in NJ do the same thing x 1,000,000 rec fisherman.

Yeah your right, everytime I drive down IBSP there's fish lying in the sand.

I'm still waiting to hear one good reason these fish should be caught from the beach instead of a boat. Wonder why I've never heard one

[Bunka Chunka]

Yeah your right, everytime I drive down IBSP there's fish lying in the sand.

I'm still waiting to hear one good reason these fish should be caught from the beach instead of a boat. Wonder why I've never heard one
Because its the 3 Day NC Striper Beach Seine season,See how Beach is in Bold print.Its a historical type of Fishing that dates back to the early days when the set with a dory and hauled with Donkeys or Horses.They do use a Dory to set the Net and a Motor Vehicle to haul it.Bob stop beating a dead horse,Oh my one good reason is its a lot easier to pick the Nets on the beach,oh and its a Seine and not a Gill net it needs to be drug along the bottom and this would be rather difficult in the surf with 2 Boats,HRL:rolleyes:

[philjam]

Could someone please explain : why the legal commercial harvest of a creature is somehow evil compared to the legal recreational harvest of the same creature?

[Bob ECT]

Because its the 3 Day NC Striper Beach Seine season,See how Beach is in Bold print.Its a historical type of Fishing that dates back to the early days when the set with a dory and hauled with Donkeys or Horses.They do use a Dory to set the Net and a Motor Vehicle to haul it.Bob stop beating a dead horse,Oh my one good reason is its a lot easier to pick the Nets on the beach,oh and its a Seine and not a Gill net it needs to be drug along the bottom and this would be rather difficult in the surf with 2 Boats,HRL:rolleyes:

So historic stupidity is the good reason?

[mxtweeker]

Recrecational fisherman in NJ do the same thing x 1,000,000 rec fisherman.

I have seen guy on LBI surf catch a shortie and just toss it on the sand by the wash let it stay there till they re bait then walk up and kick the fish back into the water.. It seems like when some guys catch a short fish they drag the fish up the beach 10-20 yards or more to un hook and get the fish back in the water..Why is it so hard to unhook and place the fish back in the surf quickly and in a unhurtfull manner, so to speak....

[Bunka Chunka]

So historic stupidity is the good reason?
Lets just say they should have Gill Netted em Just outside the breakers with 2 tender boats .Then this video would have never been taken,But thats not how they did it back then.Historically Stupid No ,Uncreative thinking Yes,HRL:)

[Bob ECT]

Lets just say they should have Gill Netted em Just outside the breakers with 2 tender boats .Then this video would have never been taken,But thats not how they did it back then.Historically Stupid No ,Uncreative thinking Yes,HRL:)

Why not just let the regular netters take the qouta from a boat? Catch a red, toss it back, catch a shark, toss it back. Can't do that on the beach.

[Bunka Chunka]

Bob I agree it would make sense to do it that way.I think the only reason this Beach Seine season is allowed is because of its Historical values.Its kinda like Pa's FlintLock season no Perc. allowed.HRL:)

[Bob ECT]

That's why NC is such a half assed State.

I think they still have the rec gill net season down there for historic reasons :mad:. Something like a 10 fish limit so guys go out catch a 100, keep the 10 biggest, then sell them under the table.

[waterman579]

That's why NC is such a half assed State.

I think they still have the rec gill net season down there for historic reasons :mad:. Something like a 10 fish limit so guys go out catch a 100, keep the 10 biggest, then sell them under the table.

Yeah NC is really half assed and we have it all together here in NJ! now thats a good one,i'm pretty sure you don't like NC because of their support of comm fishing

[Bob ECT]

Yeah NC is really half assed and we have it all together here in NJ! now thats a good one,i'm pretty sure you don't like NC because of their support of comm fishing

Tell me a good reason why they shouldn't be catching these fish from a boat

[waterman579]

Tell me a good reason why they shouldn't be catching these fish from a boat

It doesn't matter how they caught these fish you guys would still find a way to bitch and moan and cry about comm fishing in general it just doesn't matter!

[madmax]

madmax,are you shittin' me or are you just trying to stir things up?
if you believe that happens you must not surf fish in nj.
sounds like a knee jerk n.c. response!

Open your eyes oldtimer.

What do you think NJ anglers do when they are at the limit, continue fishing and end up catching a bigger fish? They throw one of the dead fish back. There is even a thread on the subject.

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98395&highlight=record+limit

It is like I said, NJ is no different.

[madmax]

Yeah your right, everytime I drive down IBSP there's fish lying in the sand.

I'm still waiting to hear one good reason these fish should be caught from the beach instead of a boat. Wonder why I've never heard one

I am sure your opinions have nothing to do with the fact that you sell supplies to boaters.

[Fishpicker]

Open your eyes oldtimer.

What do you think NJ anglers do when they are at the limit, continue fishing and end up catching a bigger fish? They throw one of the dead fish back. There is even a thread on the subject.

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98395&highlight=record+limit

It is like I said, NJ is no different.




No thats ok,,,,,,,,,, those dead fish don't count nobody does that :rolleyes:

[Bob ECT]

It doesn't matter how they caught these fish you guys would still find a way to bitch and moan and cry about comm fishing in general it just doesn't matter!

Yeah, lets just let keep wasting fish. Historic Stupidity is a great reason.

[LOST A ROD]

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