Choose your charter crew with a common interest and goals

[Kevinj]

Simple point, when putting together a crew to charter together, make sure they have common interest and want the same objective.

I wanted to fish VA Beach, they are posting a lot of big fish caught down there.

I posted on the Bass Barn and received a few replies

I decided to jump on with Steve, his dad, and cousin, Steve was setting up the charter with Capt Tim on the Clean Sweep. Bert and Jim wrote me and joined in. We booked for 2 days.

Steve stated early that he does catch and release and wanted to tag fish, I told him that I like to catch and keep my limit each day. I made it clear that this was my objective.

We were picked up by Capt Tim at 11:15, another boat came in and had limited out with nice bass. It got your juices flowing.

When we first went out, Capt Tim said that he heard a massive bite was on 8 miles out in Federal waters and we could go there for a bit, catch and release some fish, then come back in and get some keepers. We agreed, I made it clear that I wanted to get some keepers if possible.

We went out found birds, caught fish, we move around, searched, and stayed out all day. It was obvious that I was the only one with interest for keepers. I asked many times if we were on the 3 mile line yet and could we keep yet. I also asked several times if we could go in and fish for some keepers. After a while I was told at the end of the day we would search. The Capt was going with the majority and staying with the catch and release.

Near the end of the day, the Coast Guard boarded us and stayed for like 20 mins, we then ran in, stopped, check for 3 mins for birds inside 3 miles and then ran in.

I told Steve when we got in that I believed there was a fundamental problem that his group wanted just to catch and release, I told him I was not sure if it would work for Sat. I believed Sat would be more of the same, that if the bite was past 3 miles, the group would choose to fish there and I would be screwed.

I paid Steve the money for Friday. He demanded the deposit for Sat. I sat in my car and talked to my wife for 20 minutes. After, Steve, Douglas and Steve’s Dad were still waiting. Douglas asked if I was still going, I said I was not sure, that I needed to go back to the room and chill out. Steve’s Dad said that I was not wanted anymore for Sat. At that point the conversation ended as I saw it was obvious that the end decision had been made and I was not permitted to be on the boat. At that point also, as it was decided that I could not be on the boat, any obligation for the deposit was gone.

On the drive home I thought about discussions on the Bass Barn, how you have individuals who are die hard catch and release, and those who are die hard who like to keep their limit if possible. Most push their points hard. I should have forseen that this would have been a problem from the beginning. That when setting up a charter with people you have not met before that they have common interests and goals.

I am sure that the other members of this charter will disagree with me. But, had I had been driving or in charge of the charter, and/or if there is mix of different interests, I would have sought balance and made sure we did a little of everything. Fishing should be fun, but it should be fun for everyone.

I was supposed to fish Thursday on a different boat, that boat cancelled because of weather, I found another open boat charter. But the Capt said that the people who were on were from North Carolina and were set in their ways (putting it nicely), might be saying stuff in which others might get offended. He wanted to let me go, but he said for my benefit he could not. His logic was sound and made sense.

I need to insure next time, that if joining other people, we have common interests and goals.

[fishincrazy]

Wow Kev that sucks!:mad: What's the big deal if you want to keep a few fish.You mean these folks where that dead set against you keeping?Sounds like a bunch of arseholes to me.Your right the Capt. on a charter should cater to all of his clients.At least you should have been told there would be no possibility to catch keepers due to the bite,or general consensous on the boat.To string you along is a load of crap.If you where going in understanding you would get a chance to catch legal and that was denighed then you have a valid gripe.:eek:

[Spooled]

I hope this doesnt turn out to be bad blood between you but a agree with your title.

[Kevinj]

Wow Kev that sucks!:mad: What's the big deal if you want to keep a few fish.You mean these folks where that dead set against you keeping?Sounds like a bunch of arseholes to me.Your right the Capt. on a charter should cater to all of his clients.At least you should have been told there would be no possibility to catch keepers due to the bite,or general consensous on the boat.To string you along is a load of crap.If you where going in understanding you would get a chance to catch legal and that was denighed then you have a valid gripe.:eek:

fishincrazy

I believe some were dead set against keepings, Bert and Jim I believe
just liked to fish.

Your right, the group needs to have a consesus, work together, find
balance. A half way point might have been do half catch and release,
half where you have the opportunity to keep.

Most of the charters were limiting out with nice fish. There was a belief
that the majority of these charters were heading out fishing illegally
in federal waters, and not fishing close. I went first thing in the morning
down to Rudes Inlet and watched all of the charter boats heading south,
not east towards deeper waters, or NE where the heavy bird action was
out deep.

We did catch alot of fish, but there were times with no bite where we
were searching around.

A balance also might have been after the first day, the group comes
to a consensus that on the second day we would target keepers. That
was not even brought as an option.

Kevin

[cityfisherman]

that is so true bin there done that its no fun but u live and learn:)

[Kevinj]

I hope this doesnt turn out to be bad blood between you but a agree with your title.

Spooled,

I know the group believes I was wrong, I am sure we will see their sides
when they get back.

There biggest problem the group had was that I should have to give
a deposit, but once I was told that I could not be on the boat, that
was not an issue. Can't have it both ways where you are not
permitting someone on the boat and want a deposit.

I believe if you make your intentions clear from the beginning. You should
be given the opportunity to get there.

I have learned my lesson, just trying to share so others might consider
this before hooking up with people on a charter.

[Kevinj]

On a postive note, enough cannot be said for Capt Paul.
I am just learning jigging, which I know takes technique.
Capt Paul was standing next to me on the front, hooking up
5 to 1 compared to me, he would hook the fish and hand to
me, but he also spent the time to show me how to jig,
how to bounce off the bottom.

If anyone is new and wants to learn, Capt Paul is someone
to consider to learn from.

Kevin

[SRF]

Kev

No offence, i know you and think your a good dude. The main objective on a travel trip is to go catch fish, not eat. Getting some Bass to take home, you have to look at it as a bonus. This time of year most bass will be in federal waters.
I understand where your coming from but you have to put yourself in the captains positon (and majority of the crew). Lets say you spend half of your trip in federal waters and are catching Bass then it slows. One guy wants to head to legal waters to catch some bass to eat and its a desert or you only get one bass. Now you cant go back to federal waters , in turn you have the majority of the crew burning up possible contemplating never returning because the Captain listened to 1 over the majority.
Im sure if the captain could do well within 3 miles he would not have ran 8.

Kev, dont get me wrong, you did make it clear berfore the start of the trip so i think your argument holds some water.

[zar2754]

Kevin,

sorry it didnt work out, clearly not your fault, but as you say, common intrest is the utmost importance when selecting a crew. i am always hesitant to fish with people I do not know. unless it is a situation i can control, unlike the your situation which was out of your hands. hopefully you guys will work it out and be able to fish with eachother in the future.

-Zar

[striper2278]

I made it clear that I wanted to get some keepers if possible
Where you fished obvisouly it wasn't...Did you catch a ton of nice fish?

We went out found birds, caught fish, we move around, searched, and stayed out all day. Sounds like a really good trip to me!


It was obvious that I was the only one with interest for keepers. I asked many times if we were on the 3 mile line yet and could we keep yet. I also asked several times if we could go in and fish for some keepers. Maybe an open boat trip for stripers isn't your deal then. Next time you should book the whole boat by yourself and then you can dictate the trip!


After a while I was told at the end of the day we would search. The Capt was going with the majority and staying with the catch and release. Which anyone that had any sense would....With big fish on the top...why would you leave that??

Near the end of the day, the Coast Guard boarded us and stayed for like 20 mins, we then ran in, stopped, check for 3 mins for birds inside 3 miles and then ran in. Tim did the right thing by not keeping any....And I'm sure he would have stopped on the way in if he had seen any birds!

.

I paid Steve the money for Friday. He demanded the deposit for Sat. I sat in my car and talked to my wife for 20 minutes. After, Steve, Douglas and Steve’s Dad were still waiting. Douglas asked if I was still going, I said I was not sure, that I needed to go back to the room and chill out. Steve’s Dad said that I was not wanted anymore for Sat. At that point the conversation ended as I saw it was obvious that the end decision had been made and I was not permitted to be on the boat. At that point also, as it was decided that I could not be on the boat, any obligation for the deposit was gone. I know most on board this trip....they are very easy going guys....You must have made a very bad impression on them to have been voted off...by the sounds of it...I would have done the same!

.I am sure that the other members of this charter will disagree with me. And I'm sure they will...I recommened you to my friends...and you come back with garbage! Where is the sportsman in you? Also, now I know you don't like catching and releasing small fish....So I guess I won't be seeing you anytime soon!!! That's fine with me!


I need to insure next time, that if joining other people, we have common interests and goals.You need to book one of those 50 plus fters that troll 64oz mojo's with 30W's. Don't worry you will be back to the dock by 10am.....

All that read this before me....this is one mans word VS's 7....you do the math!:rolleyes:

[on the hook]

Just my insight from .....really nowhere, but...........thought you can't really target stripers in the EEZ?? If, and that's the big question, the capt, Tim/Paul said they would fish inside, then it's thier fault, imo. Did the others "know" you needed/wanted keepers? I agree, I would want some meat, but as Skip states, the catching is what you are after. BTW, most here will side with Timmy/Paul. Such as Skip. I've fished with Timmy and Skip, but not Paul. You WILL catch with these guys. As far as EEZ/keepers, my lips are sealed??:rolleyes:

[Spooled]

Skip I just agreed with his title-not the events that transpired.

Im sure Kev made no brownie points by posting before the group got back into accessability of the BB.

Jumping on as a fillin or extra doesn't give you much pull and once keepers were boated couldnt go back past the 3 mile line again.

Hopefully they can agree to disagree but with $$ on the table that wont be easy

[boostedcpe]

Meat is a wonderful thing to be able to bring home, and a BONUS in my book. Just to be out and be able to work birdplays and the action and adrenaline that goes along with that is all I need. I love coming home with the fruits of the capt and crew's labor, but it shouldnt be the be all end all, especially when your dealing with someone else who booked the trip. If you want to take home meat then the way to do it is to book your own trip, then you can request how it all goes down. I have found in the years of fishing I have been doing, and years of booking trips with large and small charters that the captains decision is almost always the best and right decision. These guys are trying to retain and increase there business by having you happy and telling all your buds about them, keeps them busy. If Paul and Timmy kept you out in the birdplays I would say there was either a good reason, or the person who booked the trip was calling the shots, and if you book the trip that gives you a certain degree of shot calling. I understand your wanting for meat, but to blast guys here for doing what they wanted to do is wrong, sorry, plain wrong. Bottom line is that if I am invited on someone elses trip I would be gracious enough to appreciate the invite and would have gone along with the flow of the capt and crew.

[striper2278]

Skip I just agreed with his title-not the events that transpired.

Im sure Kev made no brownie points by posting before the group got back into accessability of the BB.

Or with any of the charter boat's here on the barn...most of us are tight nit!;)

If your gonna talk crap on a trip like he just had....then when does it end?

Again, I'm sorry To Timmy and Paul....I won't let it happen again!;)

[boostedcpe]

Or with any of the charter boat's here on the barn...most of us are tight nit!;)

If your gonna talk crap on a trip like he just had....then when does it end?

Again, I'm sorry To Timmy and Paul....I won't let it happen again!;)

that must have been all the American Idol making you make bad decisions.:eek: :eek: :p

[striper2278]

that must have been all the American Idol making you make bad decisions.:eek: :p

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[boostedcpe]

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Its obvious that my last weekend adventure has made it main stream.....


LMFAO I deserved that, good call!!!! Yet I still managed to bang a couple tog during that. Sounds like my buddy Walt that was out with Tommy and us doing some drummin', he hooked and landed the biggest drum of the group that night while puking over the side, he felt the bite while leaning over the transom and came up tight on the fish all while puke was drooling out of his mouth, you gotta ask Tommy, that was a classic, he fought the fish for about 25 minutes and the whole time was still chummin.

[Kevinj]

Or with any of the charter boat's here on the barn...most of us are tight nit!;)

If your gonna talk crap on a trip like he just had....then when does it end?

Again, I'm sorry To Timmy and Paul....I won't let it happen again!;)


Skip,

You have the right to your opinion.

I expressed this not to state crap on the Barn, I made in clear in
the beginning, my only objective was to state that individuals might
consider this when hooking up with others.

After I was told that I was not invited back, I did call Capt Paul
and explain that I would not be fishing Sat and to thank him for
his hard work.

Kevin

[Kevinj]

Kevin,

sorry it didnt work out, clearly not your fault, but as you say, common intrest is the utmost importance when selecting a crew. i am always hesitant to fish with people I do not know. unless it is a situation i can control, unlike the your situation which was out of your hands. hopefully you guys will work it out and be able to fish with eachother in the future.

-Zar

Zar,

It is my fault in that I should have made sure there was a clear
consensus before the trip, and if not, then I should have not gone
with that group. I might have made myself clear of my objective before
but I should have followed up that the rest agreed

Kevin

[striper2278]

Skip,

You have the right to your opinion.

I expressed this not to state crap on the Barn, I made in clear in
the beginning, my only objective was to state that individuals might
consider this when hooking up with others.

After I was told that I was not invited back, I did call Capt Paul
and explain that I would not be fishing Sat and to thank him for
his hard work.

KevinI do, you are right! And what you did here is just not right...You do not bash BARN ADVERTISER'S... PERIOD! As I said...7 VS's 1...When they get back...I'm sure we'll hear what happened!

[BigSexy]

I'm confused....were you complaining about the Captain and boat, or the fact that the guys(assocaites) you went with didn't make it possible for you to keep fish. I took it as you were upset with your associates. If that's the case, why are you getting bashed. If you paid money you should have your equal time to get your keepers. Of course the Capt will go along with the majority if they want to stay and catch fish. But the other guys should have said okay we caught fish, lets go get this guy some keepers.

Another question, not to start anything. But are you allowed to target stripers out in fed waters?

[BigSexy]

I do, you are right! And what you did here is just not right...You do not bash BARN ADVERTISER'S... PERIOD! As I said...7 VS's 1...When they get back...I'm sure we'll hear what happened!

Again confused? Can you point out where he bashed an advertiser so I can be mad too.:confused:

[glennexit13]

Its human nature to rabidly defend your own...charter guys are a tight bunch as are folks in a lot of proffessions. Someone posts something in the Dry Dock bitching about a cop's demeanor during a traffic stop and you get some replies from defensive LEOs in our midst...someone posts a gripe about some marine mechanic and you get a couple boat works guys a little bunged up over it...I might get a little prickly about an irate restaurant comment...it happens, but I dont think this guy is comming here and committing the unholy sin of "bashing a Barn advertiser". He offered his opinion on a percieved wrong doing, and did it pretty decently. It didn't read to me like hes bitching about the boat or captain as much as it did the mixed ideologies on board clashing in a kinda ugly way.

[BigSexy]

Its human nature to rabidly defend your own...charter guys are a tight bunch as are folks in a lot of proffessions. Someone posts something in the Dry Dock bitching about a cop's demeanor during a traffic stop and you get some replies from defensive LEOs in our midst...someone posts a gripe about some marine mechanic and you get a couple boat works guys a little bunged up over it...I might get a little prickly about an irate restaurant comment...it happens, but I dont think this guy is comming here and committing the unholy sin of "bashing a Barn advertiser". He offered his opinion on a percieved wrong doing, and did it pretty decently. It didn't read to me like hes bitching about the boat or captain as much as it did the mixed ideologies on board clashing in a kinda ugly way.

Thats what I thought, I was wondering where he was complaining about Timmy and the Sweep

[BigSexy]

Again,

Putting his negative trip on the interent is bashing! Again 7 VS's 1! Why was he put off the day two trip. This a 2 day trip...Maybe the second would have been the day for his keppers..Most likely the plaintive isn't tellin all!:cool:

Ok, I just took it as he probably had a disagreement with the guys he went with. Not that he was put off the boat by Capt. Tim. I don't know how you could bash Tim for putting them on fish. But I would bash(as you say) the guys I went with for not letting me keep my limit. And if day two was the day he could keep his keepers, would he be permited to keep another guys since he should have been able to keep two days worth. Again, sorry if I am confused but his post wasn't bashing Tim or the Clean Sweep operation that I could see.

[always fishing]

I don't think he talked any crap on the captain, he even said the captain tried to help teach him how to jig? I use charters to learn, not for meat. Learning how to jig is priceless, and in the future, if you use what you've learned, you'll bring home some steaks. Also, don't cook the fish in your head, before you catch um';)

[BigSexy]

Relax Skip, I wasn't being a D!ck to you. I would defend them too, but he didn't seem to be bashing Tim. Sorry to ruffle your feathers. I'm not arguing with you, I was trying to say he wasn't bitching about Clean Sweep.

[fatboy]

He stated that he kept being told "we will look for keepers later". then he stated Tim spent three minutes looking.. He made it sound as if Timmy was leading him along. Sounds like a shot at the Capt. to me. He also bailed on the second half of a two day trip. Sounds like the Charter should be the ones complaining. He stiffed people for MONEY he raised everyone else charter price. He also totally eliminated the possibility of Timmy making sure he got his keepers today! After all it would be AGAINST THE LAW FOR HIM TO POSESS MORE THAN ONE DAYS LIMIT!!! Half the trip = Half the story!

[BigSexy]

He stated that he kept being told "we will look for keepers later". then he stated Tim spent three minutes looking.. He made it sound as if Timmy was leading him along. Sounds like a shot at the Capt. to me. He also bailed on the second half of a two day trip. Sounds like the Charter should be the ones complaining. He stiffed people for MONEY he raised everyone else charter price. He also totally eliminated the possibility of Timmy making sure he got his keepers today! After all it would be AGAINST THE LAW FOR HIM TO POSESS MORE THAN ONE DAYS LIMIT!!! Half the trip = Half the story!

I saw it as the other guys used up the time so they didn't have enough time to spend looking for him....I apologize. Also I agree that if he didn't want to go he should have put up the cash anyway. And I know keeping two days limits is illegal. That's why I said another guys limit. Again his point, along with voicing his frustration, was to say make sure the goals of the trip are the same. Lesson learned I guess

[glennexit13]

He stated that he kept being told "we will look for keepers later". then he stated Tim spent three minutes looking.. He made it sound as if Timmy was leading him along. Sounds like a shot at the Capt. to me. He also bailed on the second half of a two day trip. Sounds like the Charter should be the ones complaining. He stiffed people for MONEY he raised everyone else charter price. He also totally eliminated the possibility of Timmy making sure he got his keepers today! After all it would be AGAINST THE LAW FOR HIM TO POSESS MORE THAN ONE DAYS LIMIT!!! Half the trip = Half the story!

Sounds to me like everyone else raised their own charter's price by telling the guy he wasn't welcome for the second day.

Steve’s Dad said that I was not wanted anymore for Sat. At that point the conversation ended as I saw it was obvious that the end decision had been made and I was not permitted to be on the boat

[BigSexy]

Hey Glen, tonight at the Bolero in Wildwood. Beef & Beer $20 all the beer and roast beef you can inhale from 7 to 10. Benefits the Police Unity Tour. John Runyon is suppose to be there

[fatboy]

Sounds to me like everyone else raised their own charter's price by telling the guy he wasn't welcome for the second day.

Remember you only heard one side of the story. He also pouted in his car for twenty minutes complaining to HIS WIFE(LOL). Was then asked are you coming tommorrow. He replied I dont know. Believe there is more to this story than a couple fillets.

[fatboy]

I saw it as the other guys used up the time so they didn't have enough time to spend looking for him....I apologize. Also I agree that if he didn't want to go he should have put up the cash anyway. And I know keeping two days limits is illegal. That's why I said another guys limit. Again his point, along with voicing his frustration, was to say make sure the goals of the trip are the same. Lesson learned I guess

I hear you. I just read it the other way.

[glennexit13]

Remember you only heard one side of the story.

This is true

[fishonmike]

What i read he did not bash the capt .He told the guys he was going with he would like to keep some fish up front before trip .so they went out do the catch & release where the hot bite was . the other guys on trip should have been willing to finsh out the day for a lttle inside the 3 mile zone that way every one on trip is happy

I'm going down end of this month to va beach i don't want to troll to catch fish i want to jig only but i have guys who want to bring meat home so if we have to troll a little to put some fish in boat we will do whatever to make guys happy that going with me

[always fishing]

You do not bash BARN ADVERTISER'S... PERIOD!

Why? I mean not that I would, but I'll be dammed if someone's gonna steal from one of my fellow barn memebers, if there a sponsor or not!;)

[Kevinj]

Where you fished obvisouly it wasn't...Did you catch a ton of nice fish?
Sounds like a really good trip to me!
Maybe an open boat trip for stripers isn't your deal then. Next time you should book the whole boat by yourself and then you can dictate the trip!
Which anyone that had any sense would....With big fish on the top...why would you leave that??
Tim did the right thing by not keeping any....And I'm sure he would have stopped on the way in if he had seen any birds!
I know most on board this trip....they are very easy going guys....You must have made a very bad impression on them to have been voted off...by the sounds of it...I would have done the same!
. And I'm sure they will...I recommened you to my friends...and you come back with garbage! Where is the sportsman in you? Also, now I know you don't like catching and releasing small fish....So I guess I won't be seeing you anytime soon!!! That's fine with me!
You need to book one of those 50 plus fters that troll 64oz mojo's with 30W's. Don't worry you will be back to the dock by 10am.....
All that read this before me....this is one mans word VS's 7....you do the math!:rolleyes:


Skip,

We were told in the beginning of the trip by Capt Tim that we were going
in Federal waters for a little bit to get a quick bite, then coming back
in for keepers.

I agree, my problem here in that even though I had expressed my
interests, I should have followed up and made sure everyone else agreeded
or there was a clear concensus which included something I wanted to
do, or I should not have gone with that group.

I disagree in that if you only allow time for a quick check, or for looking
for birds, if you see any on the way in, that you can stop get some
keepers. For most areas, you need to do a little work to catch fish,
learn the areas, look for fish on the finder, i.e. you have to spend a little
time to catch fish. Not just hope for luck.

Obviously you disagree with my decision to state a problem at the end
of the day. Obviously you believe I should have just sucked it up and
gone with the group, even though it did not keep my objectives in mind.

I considered all of this, what would be the right thing, what would
be sportsmanlike, I beleive that if the shoes were on the other feet
I would have done differently in finding middle ground.

Again, my mistake in not making sure there was a clear consensus within
the group which matched my objectives, which is the only point of this
post.

I agree that from what I hear, when the 50 ft charters limit out, most
come in. So if it is an 8 hour scheduled trip, they might finish in 4 or 5
hours. Some continue, or keep the smaller fish alive until they catch
bigger fish. As long as this is clear from the beginning, and this is
what you want. Some of these boats run pretty far south to find
the fish, and they catch some big fish if you follow the posts. I agree
that had I thought we were not going to have the opportunity to catch
keepers, I would have probably opted to jump on one of these boats.

I believe you missed the simple point that I was presenting, and which
I started with. Make sure you hook up with individuals with a common
interest.

[fatboy]

Why? I mean not that I would, but I'll be dammed if someone's gonna steal from one of my fellow barn memebers, if there a sponsor or not!;)

Who stole what?? He said they fished ALL DAY and caught a ton of fish. Meat is never a gurantee.

[fatboy]

Skip,

We were told in the beginning of the trip by Capt Tim that we were going
in Federal waters for a little bit to get a quick bite, then coming back
in for keepers.

I agree, my problem here in that even though I had expressed my
interests, I should have followed up and made sure everyone else agreeded
or there was a clear concensus which included something I wanted to
do, or I should not have gone with that group.

I disagree in that if you only allow time for a quick check, or for looking
for birds, if you see any on the way in, that you can stop get some
keepers. For most areas, you need to do a little work to catch fish,
learn the areas, look for fish on the finder, i.e. you have to spend a little
time to catch fish. Not just hope for luck.

Obviously you disagree with my decision to state a problem at the end
of the day. Obviously you believe I should have just sucked it up and
gone with the group, even though it did not keep my objectives in mind.

I considered all of this, what would be the right thing, what would
be sportsmanlike, I beleive that if the shoes were on the other feet
I would have done differently in finding middle ground.

Again, my mistake in not making sure there was a clear consensus within
the group which matched my objectives, which is the only point of this
post.

I agree that from what I hear, when the 50 ft charters limit out, most
come in. So if it is an 8 hour scheduled trip, they might finish in 4 or 5
hours. Some continue, or keep the smaller fish alive until they catch
bigger fish. As long as this is clear from the beginning, and this is
what you want. Some of these boats run pretty far south to find
the fish, and they catch some big fish if you follow the posts. I agree
that had I thought we were not going to have the opportunity to catch
keepers, I would have probably opted to jump on one of these boats.

I do not understand your time analysis in comparing to the 50fts,
I believed we had left the dock at 11:30, and were back around 5.

I believe you missed the simple point that I was presenting, and which
I started with. Make sure you hook up with individuals with a common
interest.

The end statement is all you had to say. To some it sounded like Timmy cheated you. I agree with everyone having an understanding.

[Kevinj]

I do, you are right! And what you did here is just not right...You do not bash BARN ADVERTISER'S... PERIOD! As I said...7 VS's 1...When they get back...I'm sure we'll hear what happened!

I am lost, I never complained or bashed the captain of the boat. I actually said he went with the majority which is what he should have done. That the group needs to have a common interest, and that
people here should consider that when they form a group, that was it.

[Kevinj]

I'm confused....were you complaining about the Captain and boat, or the fact that the guys(assocaites) you went with didn't make it possible for you to keep fish. I took it as you were upset with your associates. If that's the case, why are you getting bashed. If you paid money you should have your equal time to get your keepers. Of course the Capt will go along with the majority if they want to stay and catch fish. But the other guys should have said okay we caught fish, lets go get this guy some keepers.

Another question, not to start anything. But are you allowed to target stripers out in fed waters?


I did not complain about the Capt and boat, I even said Capt Paul was
excellent and he was showing me techniques in jigging.

Some people are choosing to read into this as they want. Their choice.

From another post from Fatboy regarding targeting stripers in Federal
waters
Other Virginia restrictions: You may not combine possession limits when seasons overlap or you fish in multiple jurisdictions. Gaffing striped bass or attempting to gaff striped bass is illegal in Virginia marine waters. Federal water striped bass regulations: Atlantic Ocean waters beyond the 3 mile limit are closed to the taking and possession of striped bass all year.
Does not say targeting.

[always fishing]

Who stole what?? He said they fished ALL DAY and caught a ton of fish. Meat is never a gurantee.

I'm just saying in general! If you have something, you think eveyone here should know, well lets hear it.;)

[Kevinj]

Thats what I thought, I was wondering where he was complaining about Timmy and the Sweep

I knew this was Capt Timmy and Capt Paul's first year chartering down
in VA Beach, I chose to go with them because I wanted to support
local charters, and also heard good things about them, that they would
bust their buts for you.

I did not have much interaction with Capt Tim, more with Capt Paul
who was fishing around me, and who spent the time to help me. Capt
Tim was working with the guys on the back of the boat.

[Kevinj]

Ok, I just took it as he probably had a disagreement with the guys he went with. Not that he was put off the boat by Capt. Tim. I don't know how you could bash Tim for putting them on fish. But I would bash(as you say) the guys I went with for not letting me keep my limit. And if day two was the day he could keep his keepers, would he be permited to keep another guys since he should have been able to keep two days worth. Again, sorry if I am confused but his post wasn't bashing Tim or the Clean Sweep operation that I could see.


My objective was not to bash anyone, I see alot of people, including
myself looking for others to fish with in the open forum. If someone else
considers this and makes sure when they form a group, there is a common
understanding, then it would have been worth posting.

[Kevinj]

He stated that he kept being told "we will look for keepers later". then he stated Tim spent three minutes looking.. He made it sound as if Timmy was leading him along. Sounds like a shot at the Capt. to me. He also bailed on the second half of a two day trip. Sounds like the Charter should be the ones complaining. He stiffed people for MONEY he raised everyone else charter price. He also totally eliminated the possibility of Timmy making sure he got his keepers today! After all it would be AGAINST THE LAW FOR HIM TO POSESS MORE THAN ONE DAYS LIMIT!!! Half the trip = Half the story!

Once we got to deeper waters, Capt Tim went with the group, which
is what he should have done, which is what I said.

Actually if you read my post, I said I needed to back to my room to cool
out. That I was told I was not wanted for the second day, therefore I was not given the choice about bailing.

I was a minority, that was clear from the first day. Nothing was said
to believe the second day was different.

[Kevinj]

Remember you only heard one side of the story. He also pouted in his car for twenty minutes complaining to HIS WIFE(LOL). Was then asked are you coming tommorrow. He replied I dont know. Believe there is more to this story than a couple fillets.

I always found that talking to someone who knows you to get an
objective opinion helps sometimes to see if your perspective is right
is a good thing. Emotions sometimes drive our decisions, sitting back
and hearing a third party, sometimes calms us down and sometimes
helps us evaluate our choices.

My wife is a good in being objective, not just telling me what I want
to hear. I chose to stay there, calm down, then attempt again to
talk to the others, I did not just take off after the charter.

[zar2754]

i can understand the other members of the charters disintrest in leaving a mother load of nice fish to scout for and maybe never find that eventuall keeper, that being said, as a paying customer, you should have had an equal chance to meet your objectives, and your charter members should have understood that, regardless of the situation. PERIOD. this has nothing to do with the captains or their opperation as i see it.

[on the hook]

Regs say you can't "take or possess striped bass". These are federal waters? You ARE saying that you CAN c&r then? In Va? Why then, in "our" federal waters can't we "target" for c&r? ALL FEDERAL WATERS HERE, NO STATE INVOLVED, again IMO. Does anyone really know the regs? Not gonna look it up, but I'm sure our regs say you can't take or possess any stripes in the EEZ, but not sure if it "really" says anything about targeting. I do seem to know a LOT of people that go out there for blues though:rolleyes:

[fishypete]

I have hopped on my fare share of open trips both inshore and offshore and have never come across this problem or even a dissagreement for that matter. I understand your fustration with not putting meat in the box but that was day one of a two day charter. You agreed on a two day charter and in my eyes you should have paid the deposit or the full share. You still had another day to fish. If you fished day two and fished in Fed waters all day then I would have no problem with this post. But you didn't.
I personnally fish to catch, not to eat but I respect others always when they keep their limit. It is their right.

I have no problem with the title of your post but it doesn't apply to everyone.

If there was salt spray in my eyes and a bend in my rod it would have been a sucessful trip 4 me:D

[wihin iwuz fishin]

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/state_federal/State-Federal-WEB/sbassgf.gif
Atlantic striped bass – EEZ fishery regulations

Recreational and Commercial fisheries -


EEZ closed to all striped bass possession or fishing. Atlantic Striped Bass may not be fished for, harvested, retained, or possessed in or from the EEZ. One exception - within Block Island Sound, possession of Atlantic striped bass is permitted, provided no fishing takes place from the vessel while in this EEZ area and the vessel is in continuous transit through the area. This area is north of a line connecting Montauk Light, Montauk Point, NY, and Block Island Southeast Light, Block Island, RI; and west of a line connecting Point Judith Light, Point Judith, RI, and Block Island Southeast Light, Block Island, RI.
--Back (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/state_federal/regulatory_activities.htm)--

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/state_federal/Fish%20pages/StripedBass.htm

[on the hook]

If that means all fed/eez, then it IS illegal to fish there, period. Humor me now.

[BigSexy]

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/state_federal/State-Federal-WEB/sbassgf.gif
Atlantic striped bass – EEZ fishery regulations

Recreational and Commercial fisheries -


EEZ closed to all striped bass possession or fishing. Atlantic Striped Bass may not be fished for, harvested, retained, or possessed in or from the EEZ. One exception - within Block Island Sound, possession of Atlantic striped bass is permitted, provided no fishing takes place from the vessel while in this EEZ area and the vessel is in continuous transit through the area. This area is north of a line connecting Montauk Light, Montauk Point, NY, and Block Island Southeast Light, Block Island, RI; and west of a line connecting Point Judith Light, Point Judith, RI, and Block Island Southeast Light, Block Island, RI.
--Back (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/state_federal/regulatory_activities.htm)--

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/state_federal/Fish%20pages/StripedBass.htm (http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/state_federal/Fish%20pages/StripedBass.htm)

That's what I thought:cool:

[Neil B.]

So you're jigging blues in the EEZ!:D

I'm sure Capt. Timmy put you on plenty of fish. I would never leave a bite to find fish period. With the current limits we all do plenty of C&R. If I get an opportunity to keep 1 or 2 then I do it. If not, no big deal. Fighting the fish & having a good time is what it's about. If I had the opportunity to fish on the Clean Sweep for 2 days I would jump on it. Nothing worse than a whiner on the boat. Is that why they did not want you on the 2nd day?

[captainbadfinger]

Your thread should read
'DONT TALK TRASH ABOUT SOMEONE WHEN YOU ARE ON THEIR FREINDS BOAT!!!

I hear You were badmouthing me real good
My phone number ios 610-357-9180,if You have something to say say it to ME!!!:mad: :mad:

I found Your name in my book and it had a notation next to it,now I know who You are.

[BigSexy]

See that's the problem. Grown men should be able to have a discussion without resluting in name calling. This thread seemed to be working itself out. Then one person has to come and stoop to immature name calling:confused:

[Kevinj]

I have hopped on my fare share of open trips both inshore and offshore and have never come across this problem or even a dissagreement for that matter. I understand your fustration with not putting meat in the box but that was day one of a two day charter. You agreed on a two day charter and in my eyes you should have paid the deposit or the full share. You still had another day to fish. If you fished day two and fished in Fed waters all day then I would have no problem with this post. But you didn't.
I personnally fish to catch, not to eat but I respect others always when they keep their limit. It is their right.
I have no problem with the title of your post but it doesn't apply to everyone.
If there was salt spray in my eyes and a bend in my rod it would have been a sucessful trip 4 me:D

fishypete,
I understand your response, and something I considered, just fish
the second day to see if different. But I was a minority and did not
believe it would be different. In the end, I did not have the choice to
fish the second day, once that was decided, it became a mute point
on the deposit.

[fatboy]

I always found that talking to someone who knows you to get an
objective opinion helps sometimes to see if your perspective is right
is a good thing. Emotions sometimes drive our decisions, sitting back
and hearing a third party, sometimes calms us down and sometimes
helps us evaluate our choices.

My wife is a good in being objective, not just telling me what I want
to hear. I chose to stay there, calm down, then attempt again to
talk to the others, I did not just take off after the charter.

Fair enough, Sorry to have brought that up.

[Kevinj]

So you're jigging blues in the EEZ!:D

I'm sure Capt. Timmy put you on plenty of fish. I would never leave a bite to find fish period. With the current limits we all do plenty of C&R. If I get an opportunity to keep 1 or 2 then I do it. If not, no big deal. Fighting the fish & having a good time is what it's about. If I had the opportunity to fish on the Clean Sweep for 2 days I would jump on it. Nothing worse than a whiner on the boat. Is that why they did not want you on the 2nd day?

Not sure why in the end, did not ask, but you are probably right

[Kevinj]

If that means all fed/eez, then it IS illegal to fish there, period. Humor me now.

I am not sure of the regs, but if we could not target stripers in Fed water, wouldn't the coast guard have stopped us?

[striper2278]

Your thread should read
'DONT TALK TRASH ABOUT SOMEONE WHEN YOU ARE ON THEIR FREINDS BOAT!!!

I hear You were badmouthing me real good
My phone number ios 610-357-9180,if You have something to say say it to ME!!!:mad: :mad:

I found Your name in my book and it had a notation next to it,now I know who You are.Also heard my name came into play as well. I thought I was a pretty nice guy to take you out...(When YOU were the only person we had) I hate people that talk Sh!t...:rolleyes:

As far as this goes. If you had a problem with the crew you went down with....then you shouldn't have even mentioned the clean sweep...it's a negative thread!!!!

[glennexit13]

it's a negative thread!!!!

It most certainly is now...

[Sandollar's Child]

Guys I must be missing something. :confused: I am pretty sure that a charter capt up North fishing in the EEZ got busted and fined for "targeting" stripers in the EEZ. It was writtten up in quite a few places.

Sorry really nothing to do with the start of the thread but I don't get it. EEZ is off limits to C and R too the way I understand it. Anybody shed some light on that ??

[Kevinj]

Also heard my name came into play as well. I thought I was a pretty nice guy to take you out...(When YOU were the only person we had) I hate people that talk Sh!t...:rolleyes:

As far as this goes. If you had a problem with the crew you went down with....then you shouldn't have even mentioned the clean sweep...it's a negative thread!!!!

Actually if I remember right, what I had told Capt Paul is that I said that Capt Skip was one of the best in Cape May or something to that
effect

everything I had read, and what I actually had seen
impressed me, anybody I had talked to who was looking for a charter
in Cape May, I told them Skip was the one to see.

[striper2278]

It most certainly is now...Was to begin with! The guy is mad becuase he didn't get to bring any home. What if he drove 4-6hrs and got skunked...that happens too! Atleast he caught. When he was on my boat we caught 3 bass and 1 big blue...that is the deal. The point is he caught fish....that sucks he didn't agree with the crew..I'm sure they won't fish with him and he won't fish with them...

Good job Timmy and crew!:cool:

[striper2278]

Actually if I remember right, what I had told Capt Paul is that I said that Capt Skip was one of the best in Cape May or something to that
effect

everything I had read, and what I actually had seen
impressed me, anybody I had talked to who was looking for a charter
in Cape May, I told them Skip was the one to see.If you actually said that..Then I appologize...But this still not the place for this thread...

I'm done with this...When the guys get back you will have to take of it with them!

[Kevinj]

Was to begin with! The guy is mad becuase he didn't get to bring any home. What if he drove 4-6hrs and got skunked...that happens too! Atleast he caught. When he was on my boat we caught 3 bass and 1 big blue...that is the deal. The point is he caught fish....that sucks he didn't agree with the crew..I'm sure they won't fish with him and he won't fish with them...

Good job Timmy and crew!:cool:

I am not mad, I made my objective of this post clear from the start,
you are choosing to read into it.

If we got skunked, that is fishing.

My only point was that you should choose a crew with common
interest, its that simple.

If you read my post, I complemented Capt Paul who was helping me
learn jigging, I do not see how that is neg. I also said that Capt Tim
was working the back of the boat, so I did not interact with him as
much as Capt Paul.

[TheAdamBomb]

Just one man's opinion...

Enjoy the fact that you had exceptional action on your trip. Drop and reel jigging with stripers to 40 plus pounds is not something that many have experienced, and it is special.

If it were all about the meat, one could eat steak and lobster every night for quite a few nights for the cost of driving to VA Beach and fishing on a charter. It's about the catching.

'Nuff said.

[Kevinj]

If you actually said that..Then I appologize...But this still not the place for this thread...

I'm done with this...When the guys get back you will have to take of it with them!


Even though we obvously disagree here, I would still recomend you to anyone who was looking for a charter in Cape May, because I know
you abilities and reputation for fishing are first rate.
The same is said for Capt Paul and Capt Tim.

[fishincrazy]

I don't know I've read through this a couple of times and I keep comming away with guy's having different objectives.I don't see anywhere Kevin insulting the captains/crew????I looked at this thread as one which talked about having the same or similar objectives as the guy's your fishin with.Or at least splitting up the time spent on the water so that everyone get's a taste of what they expect.

[Neil B.]

Hey Kevin,

Go G-Men!!!

[Skmag357]

Here is the other side of the story as we just got back and I have some pics I want to post:

Let me start from the begginning with the booking of the trip:

I put together the charter as my dad, myself and my cousin really wanted to head out of VA beach for some stripers. We were going to jump on an open boat but decided to charter and fill it out with barn members instead. I got a head count of everyone who was in and sent a deposit in for $500 out of my pocket. I took the WORD of barn members that they would send the money to me so we would have equal share in the trips expense beforehand. The other guys then sent me $100 to cover their share of the deposit and one paid directly to the captain. I emailed Kevin asking for him to send the money to me and he said that it would take too long in the mail and that he would just give it to me when we got there. This was beginning of last week and the other money I received well before the trip.

Fast forward to the end of trip, Kevin is mad that we didn't get to keep any fish and tells us they he is rethinking his option of going tomorrow. I said that is fine as he as the minority as we were catching and releasing fish. He paid me for the friday trip and a small tip for the captain. I stated at this point that he still owed me the deposit for $50 for next trip, regardless if he went with us or not because a deposit is money put down to hold a spot on the boat for him. After he said that he was rethinking his options of going out with us tomorrow, he then stated he would not be paying for his deposit for the second day. I stated many times that this was money I put out of my pocket in good faith that would be paid back to me upon arrival. We agrued over the fact of the deposit money for several minutes and then he went to his car to "cool down". We stated it would be fine if he did not want to fish with us tommorrow because of different interests in fishing but that he still owed the $50 that I put out for him for his deposit. He stated he was not going to pay it and headed back to his car again. At this point, he caused some real "bad blood" with not giving the rightful deposit money which was owed. He burned a bridge when he said he wasn't going to pay. When he came out the second time, we stated that we did not want him on the charter tommorrow as it would be very ackward and both sides would still have this bad blood taste in their mouth. Our decision to request that he not come tomorrow was purely based on the fact that he was not going to pay a deposit (which was fronted by me in good faith. I learned my lesson in that with open boat charters, everyone sends their money right away to ensure their spot. No money, no spot.

Here is the whole fish story:
We headed out late friday morning (11:30ish) in search of bird play to start the day off. We searched within 3 miles for about 30 minutes and scouted around looking for fish. We got a phone call stating there was unreal birdplay out a ways. We stated that we would go catch some fish and then head in and try within 3 miles again. We picked away on fish for a few hours catching a couple here and couple there under the birds. Off in the distance, we spotted the mother of all bird play....10000+ birds diving (video to come). Upon arrival, there were tons of fish with everyone on the boat hooking up right away. It was drop and reel on bigger fish! We watched as boat after boat from inshore headed out toward the birds. We even saw a notifiable local charter boat from rudee inlet out there working the birds. We caught about 45-a hour but at this like it was close to 4 or 5 as we had spent a lot of time runnning and looking for birds. At this point, the coast guard came out and was boarding numerous boats all around us. They came on our boat and did a through search and safety inspection. After they were done with their inspection, they let us go as the safety inspection turned up nothing. It took them 20+ minutes to go over everything so now it is getting closer to 5ish. After they leave, we run inshore to see if there were any fish inside of 3 miles. We were specifically looking for birds as we all agreed that we were not going to troll. We looked for birds on the way in and did not see anything or any other boats bringing in any fish. It was getting dark now and we did not want to come back in the dark in an unfamilar area.


From our observations from the morning and from the afternoon, it was clear that no or very few fish were going to be caught within the limits. The choice was made to stay and catch and release fish and come home without any fish. We did have the intentions of coming back in to find some keepers for the table, but after we got boarded by the coast guard and with daylight running out and without any birds sighting within 3 miles, we searched around for a bit on the way in and called it a day. Everyone else on the boat except for Kevin were thrilled at the EXCELLENT day of striper fishing that we just had. It was personally the best day of striper fishing that I have ever been on. I made two new good friendships with two avid fisherman (Jim & Bert) and had a great time fishing with my dad and my cousin. I am a fisherman and I love every part of fishing. The camaraderie, being out on the water, and enjoying mother nature. Catching fish is just an added bonus and having fish to take home is just another bonus on top of that. Thats why it is called fishing and not catching.....

[Harris]

I was on the Cleen Sweep with Kevin and had some incredible fishing. The bird play was unbelievable. Catching stripers on jigs, storms, and light tackle doesn't get any better- what a day!!! Thanks to Tim, Paul, Steve, Dennis, Doug and Bert.
I'll let the other guys respond to Kevin's accusations.

[rocky]

Two sides of every story, enough said!

[Kevinj]

Here is the other side of the story as we just got back and I have some pics I want to post:

Let me start from the begginning with the booking of the trip:

I put together the charter as my dad, myself and my cousin really wanted to head out of VA beach for some stripers. We were going to jump on an open boat but decided to charter and fill it out with barn members instead. I got a head count of everyone who was in and sent a deposit in for $500 out of my pocket. I took the WORD of barn members that they would send the money to me so we would have equal share in the trips expense beforehand. The other guys then sent me $100 to cover their share of the deposit and one paid directly to the captain. I emailed Kevin asking for him to send the money to me and he said that it would take too long in the mail and that he would just give it to me when we got there. This was beginning of last week and the other money I received well before the trip.

Fast forward to the end of trip, Kevin is mad that we didn't get to keep any fish and tells us they he is rethinking his option of going tomorrow. I said that is fine as he as the minority as we were catching and releasing fish. He paid me for the friday trip and a small tip for the captain. I stated at this point that he still owed me the deposit for $50 for next trip, regardless if he went with us or not because a deposit is money put down to hold a spot on the boat for him. After he said that he was rethinking his options of going out with us tomorrow, he then stated he would not be paying for his deposit for the second day. I stated many times that this was money I put out of my pocket in good faith that would be paid back to me upon arrival. We agrued over the fact of the deposit money for several minutes and then he went to his car to "cool down". We stated it would be fine if he did not want to fish with us tommorrow because of different interests in fishing but that he still owed the $50 that I put out for him for his deposit. He stated he was not going to pay it and headed back to his car again. At this point, he caused some real "bad blood" with not giving the rightful deposit money which was owed. He burned a bridge when he said he wasn't going to pay. When he came out the second time, we stated that we did not want him on the charter tommorrow as it would be very ackward and both sides would still have this bad blood taste in their mouth. Our decision to request that he not come tomorrow was purely based on the fact that he was not going to pay a deposit (which was fronted by me in good faith. I learned my lesson in that with open boat charters, everyone sends their money right away to ensure their spot. No money, no spot.

Here is the whole fish story:
We headed out late friday morning (11:30ish) in search of bird play to start the day off. We searched within 3 miles for about 30 minutes and scouted around looking for fish. We got a phone call stating there was unreal birdplay out a ways. We stated that we would go catch some fish and then head in and try within 3 miles again. We picked away on fish for a few hours catching a couple here and couple there under the birds. Off in the distance, we spotted the mother of all bird play....10000+ birds diving (video to come). Upon arrival, there were tons of fish with everyone on the boat hooking up right away. It was drop and reel on bigger fish! We watched as boat after boat from inshore headed out toward the birds. We even saw a notifiable local charter boat from rudee inlet out there working the birds. We caught about 45-a hour but at this like it was close to 4 or 5 as we had spent a lot of time runnning and looking for birds. At this point, the coast guard came out and was boarding numerous boats all around us. They came on our boat and did a through search and safety inspection. After they were done with their inspection, they let us go as the safety inspection turned up nothing. It took them 20+ minutes to go over everything so now it is getting closer to 5ish. After they leave, we run inshore to see if there were any fish inside of 3 miles. We were specifically looking for birds as we all agreed that we were not going to troll. We looked for birds on the way in and did not see anything or any other boats bringing in any fish. It was getting dark now and we did not want to come back in the dark in an unfamilar area.


From our observations from the morning and from the afternoon, it was clear that no or very few fish were going to be caught within the limits. The choice was made to stay and catch and release fish and come home without any fish. We did have the intentions of coming back in to find some keepers for the table, but after we got boarded by the coast guard and with daylight running out and without any birds sighting within 3 miles, we searched around for a bit on the way in and called it a day. Everyone else on the boat except for Kevin were thrilled at the EXCELLENT day of striper fishing that we just had. It was personally the best day of striper fishing that I have ever been on. I made two new good friendships with two avid fisherman (Jim & Bert) and had a great time fishing with my dad and my cousin. I am a fisherman and I love every part of fishing. The camaraderie, being out on the water, and enjoying mother nature. Catching fish is just an added bonus and having fish to take home is just another bonus on top of that. Thats why it is called fishing and not catching.....


Steve,

If you look at the post
http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124710

I requested people to for VA beach,

Also, when speaking to you on the phone, I told you it was your choice,
I can mail a check or give you the money there.

When we were at the dock waiting for Capt Tim, I pulled out $300
and presented it to you. This was the amount we had agreed to
per person. You told me to hold it.

Obviously you have already stated my reasoning, you were catch
and releasing, I was a minority.

I also disagree as to what was you said was said, I stood by my
car changing and went into my car once.

But something you need to consider
is that you had set up the trip, at no point during the trip, or even
after the trip when we were discussing did you ever attempt to find
balance or a middle ground, you were doing catch and release and I was
a minority, even though I made it clear from the beginning that I
wanted to target keepers.

Why did you not state before what you are stating here, that it was
just a catch and release trip, I never even would have considered
going.

I also agreed that I wanted to jig, but if it took trolling, and that is
what was required, that we should do that.

Also when we did discuss this at the end, your cousin asked if I was
going tomorrow, I said I did not know, your father said I was no longer invited, no reasoning was given.

Kevin

[Skmag357]

The trip was not set up on the intentions that we were going to catch and release fish. We weighted the options which were presented and it was not catch fish inside or run out and catch some.

[Skmag357]

Steve,


Also when we did discuss this at the end, your cousin asked if I was
going tomorrow, I said I did not know, your father said I was no longer invited, no reasoning was given.

Kevin


After you stated you were not going pay your rightful deposit, the crew decided that we did not want to deal with someone who could not appreciate the sport of fishing...

[Kevinj]

The trip was not set up on the intentions that we were going to catch and release fish. We weighted the options which were presented and it was not catch fish inside or run out and catch some.

Earlier quote from you regarding catch and release objective.

"Fast forward to the end of trip, Kevin is mad that we didn't get to keep any fish and tells us they he is rethinking his option of going tomorrow. I said that is fine as he as the minority as we were catching and releasing fish."

I must have missed the discussion regarding weighing options about
not catching fish inside or run outside.
This is what you said earlier
"We stated that we would go catch some fish and then head in and try within 3 miles again."

[Kevinj]

After you stated you were not going pay your rightful deposit, the crew decided that we did not want to deal with someone who could not appreciate the sport of fishing...

Steve,

I disagree with what you state as to what I said, but believe it would
just come to he said, he said.

I think your second statements goes to the heart of my point, you
believe because I want to target a legal limit of keepers, that I do not
appreciate the sport of fishing.

Again, if you had stated this before, I would not have jumped in
the first place.

This is the only reason I posted this, so others consider that there might
be a fundemental difference in objective of fishing, this needs to be
discussed before.

Kevin

[Kevinj]

After you stated you were not going pay your rightful deposit, the crew decided that we did not want to deal with someone who could not appreciate the sport of fishing...

Steve,

At the end when Douglas asked if I was going and I stated that I did not
know, that I needed to go back to my room and chill out. Obviously this
was stating that I needed to chill in my room, that I was still interested
in fishing, which of course would imply that I would have paid for services
rendered for fishing.

Your father then said I was not invited anymore, that finished the
discussion and my option for still going

Kevin

[mjbites]

I wish I could of been in an amazing birdplay on friday.I would have had bologne and cheese for dinner and been very happy.IMO if you say youre goin ya pay the deposit even if you dont go.

[TRYN2WN]

I wish I could of been in an amazing birdplay on friday.I would have had bologne and cheese for dinner and been very happy.IMO if you say youre goin ya pay the deposit even if you dont go.

I agree that i would have loved to be on the boat and eat bologne and cheese instead of fishing close to the beach and possibly not getting any keepers anyway. I also agree that if you say you are going then you pay weather you go or not but if I was uninvited then I would not pay a nickle... It sounds like he was uninvited after he would not give them his deposit for the next day.

[boostedcpe]

I wish I could of been in an amazing birdplay on friday.I would have had bologne and cheese for dinner and been very happy.IMO if you say youre goin ya pay the deposit even if you dont go.

I agree, and I will one up you. I would have donated both of my special boyz to have a day like that. Shame, no matter what way it went down.

[Kevinj]

I agree that i would have loved to be on the boat and eat bologne and cheese instead of fishing close to the beach and possibly not getting any keepers anyway. I also agree that if you say you are going then you pay weather you go or not but if I was uninvited then I would not pay a nickle... It sounds like he was uninvited after he would not give them his deposit for the next day.

TRYN2WN,

If you see the number of large fish the charters are pulling in, it is
incredible. Some were coming in which were limited out.
I do not believe all or the majority of them are fishing
illegally in deep waters. I would like to believe the majority would
follow the law, and that some would be persuaded by the coast guard
pressence there, which the coast guard who boarded us said were
out for a week at a time and stay out.
I do not know if we would have caught fish within the 3 mile limit,
but believe so based on the high numbers taken.

On your final point, if you state to someone that you were still considering
going which implies that you would pay if you would go, then are told
that you are no longer invited, how does the deposit fit in to this? If I
went, the deposit was part of the money I would spend to have gone.

Kevin

[Bay Stalker]

You should take it to e-mail

[gotboost1]

What's really sad about this post is nobody seems to care about the Law,and it was broken and sounds like broken knowingly,there are fish eight miles out,WTF is that?...breaking the law..

[on the hook]

What's really sad about this post is nobody seems to care about the Law,and it was broken and sounds like broken knowingly,there are fish eight miles out,WTF is that?...breaking the law..

Who cares!!! They want to catch fish you ____-______!!!( you fill in the blank) Let Em Be;)

[RodFather]

I am going to lock this down. If you guys feel there needs to be further discussion then please handle it off the board.