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BUCKTAIL WILLIE
04-08-2008, 07:38 AM
hELP FROM INDEPENDENT scientist may save gag grouper

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INDEPENDENT SCIENTIST LIKE THOSE HIRED BY SSFFF MAY E OUR ONLY HOPE FOR 2009
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With federal regulators poised to cut the gag grouper catch by 45 percent, commercial lobbyist Bobby Spaeth and recreational lobbyist Dennis O’Hern suspended their usual rivalry and hired a Nova Scotia scientist to challenge Gulf of Mexico fishing data.
Much to their glee, biologist Trevor Kenchington quickly delivered: Landings statistics in the government’s own computer model suggest that the gag population might be healthier than federal scientists thought.
The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council, which sets the rules, delayed a cutback vote scheduled for this week in Baton Rouge. Instead, the council invited Kenchington to Louisiana to hear what he has to say.
“It’s a miracle,” said O’Hern, who runs the Fishing Rights Alliance. ”We were dead men walking. We were a month away from execution. Now we breathe the air of freedom and truth.”
Kenchington or no, the grouper battle is far from over.
Scientists at the National Marine Fisheries Service are sticking by their belief that gag may need heavy-duty protection. Grouper fishermen may yet see unprecedented restrictions.
But the fact that an eleventh-hour, hired gun can so rattle the regulatory process underscores a lamentable drawback to fishery management in the Gulf:
By law, regulators must base their decisions on the “best available science.”
But sometimes, factors unique to Florida can turn ”best available” into a roller coaster.
Shaky science
Fishing managers in New England can track the cod catch back 100 years, which makes for nifty trend lines into the future.
In Alaska, big commercial boats carry government observers and video cameras that record salmon, halibut and pollock as they come over the transom.
Gulf of Mexico statistics are murkier.
Until 1984, grouper records weren’t even divided by species. Red, gag and others were lumped into one catch-all category: just plain grouper.
More importantly, Florida issues about 40 percent of the nation’s saltwater fishing licenses. Recreational anglers, by nature, muck up data collection.
Commercial fleets unload at fish houses, where the catch can be counted and measured. Scientists can sample fish ages by examining ear bones.
But nobody knows how much recreational anglers catch. Regulators conduct boat-ramp interviews and telephone surveys, but recreational trend lines always rely on surmise and assumption.
“The recreational fishery is composed of thousands and thousands of fishermen. They fish at random times every week,” said biologist Thomas McIlwain, who chairs the management council. ”We just don’t have good enough information.”
Take dead discards — the undersized fish that die after anglers throw them back.
The government’s gag assessment model, first constructed two years ago, presumed that recreational anglers discard and kill huge numbers of gag. This carnage was a critical factor in the declaration that gag are being fished at unsustainable rates.
Unfortunately, the model mistakenly included legal-sized fish in the dead discard weight. After all, who’s going to throw back a bunch of legal fish? So the assessment had to be recalculated.
Then someone noticed that the model assumed that discards were all caught in deep water, where mortality is higher. Another revision.
Last September, scientists revised the figures yet again. The model had failed to convert discards from kilograms to pounds.
Model revisions are common. But constant tweaking forced delay after delay as the management council grappled with how to cut back on gag.
The original assessment, published in 2006, was based on data collected through 2004. Any cutbacks the council makes now will start in 2009 and could last at least through 2011.
Gag data will be seven years old before the next full stock assessment leads to new rules and one major monkey wrench already begs for explanation:
Between 2004 and 2006, gag landings plummeted 60 percent, something the stock assessment model did not predict.
The management council needs to figure out what caused that drop, which is one reason they plan to slow down and hear from Nova Scotia.
A puzzling drop
Trevor Kenchington, 53, cut his fishery management teeth advising the New England scallop industry, but he is no stranger to Gulf of Mexico matters.
Spaeth, who represents the Southern Offshore Fishing Association, hired Kenchington nine years ago to challenge cutbacks proposed for red grouper.
Spaeth turned to Canada, he said, because he thought U.S. biologists were too cozy with the government.
“They don’t want to challenge each others’ data,” Spaeth said. ”They’re all working on grants. That’s just the way it works. Trevor’s got no dog in this hunt.”
Kenchington advised the council to throw out data from Cuban fishermen, who once caught most of the Gulf’s red grouper. That change, and others, led regulators to soften proposed cuts.
“If he thinks it’s wrong, he’ll call it wrong. He’s not a diplomat,” said Bob Gill, a Crystal River fish house owner who sits on the council. ”But he does put it into jargon you can understand.”
This time, Kenchington noted that the latest gag landings are lower than the model originally predicted. In fact, they fall below a theoretical threshold that signals over-fishing.
That could support what fishermen and bait shop owners have been telling the council for months: Fuel costs are so high, we can’t afford to hunt grouper. Don’t whack us any more.
On the other hand, low landings might stem from a darker cause. What if people aren’t catching gag because the stock itself is plunging?
“It could be a really bad thing,” said NMFS regional administrator Roy Crabtree. ”I generally feel better when fishermen are catching a lot of fish. That tells me fish are out there.”
The NMFS science center in Miami and the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission are now scrambling to examine “abundance” statistics.
These include underwater cameras that actually count fish at certain locations, as well as measurements of how many fish are caught per trip.
Though the management council has already broken a legal deadline for setting gag restrictions, they are adamant that they will delay any vote until their June meeting at the earliest.
”We have to protect the fish,” said Mississippi council member Kay Williams. “But I hope for the sake of the economy that (Kenchington) has found something.”
Closed gag seasons could halt red grouper fishing as well. You can’t hunt one species without harming the other.
A 45 percent gag cutback could halt recreational grouper fishing from January to April, the height of the tourist season.
A tight commercial quota could wipe out gulf grouper sandwiches from August through December and bankrupt much of the fleet.
But if managers go too easy and the gag fishery collapses, West Florida could go grouper-less

SEACRAFT72
04-08-2008, 10:36 AM
I have full confidence that none of those or similar oversights were made on the fluke management plan!!!!!?????

birdwatcherus
04-08-2008, 12:26 PM
"Then someone noticed that the model assumed that discards were all caught in deep water, where mortality is higher."

Interesting, last Sat I caught and released about 25 short Gags....in 7' of water....

blackfinjerry
04-08-2008, 03:06 PM
BW, are you back in NJ or still in the Everglades ?
Blackfin

WreckinBall
04-08-2008, 04:52 PM
"Then someone noticed that the model assumed that discards were all caught in deep water, where mortality is higher."

Interesting, last Sat I caught and released about 25 short Gags....in 7' of water....

Juvi Gags live in the backwaters until they grow big enough to live offshore. We had an unusually large number of small Gags in the creeks and inlets of SC last summer. I was catching them one after another at times, but all under 10". Hopefully that's a sign that they're recovering though..

insomniac
04-08-2008, 05:10 PM
"After all, who’s going to throw back a bunch of legal fish? So the assessment had to be recalculated."

I just love that assumption.:rolleyes:

BUCKTAIL WILLIE
04-09-2008, 07:38 AM
Blackfinjerry--I'm back in Jersey getting my boat ready

aquasport190
04-09-2008, 01:16 PM
The model had failed to convert discards from kilograms to pounds.

Oops!!! They were 2.2X off.

I wouldn't be discarding too many legal grouper. Way too good. ;)

Deep water mortality is high due to decompression issues and probably a few succumb to shark and barracuda attacks.

CATCH-ALL
04-09-2008, 01:40 PM
Aquasport 190 - that is easily one of the top ten posts I've ever seen here on the Bass BArn. I mean it. THanks for starting such a great thread.

That article was pretty diplmatic because what it does not say is how anti-fisherman GMAFMC chairman Roy Crabtree really is. The same goes for his counterpart at South Atlantic Fisheries Management Council, George Geiger. Except in Geiger's case, he's anti-rec and pro-commercial despite being the alleged recreational rep on the SAFMC council.

My fishing club, the 100 Fathom Fishing Club, dug up proof that Geiger and his council deliberately rejected the offer of 35 years of hard, proven science for the "St Lucie Humps"/ Seabass Rocks MPA and instead chose to go solely by the opinion of a former SAFMC council member, Ben Hartig, a commercial bottomfisherman. The scientist in question whose data was rejected is not a happy camper. This whole thing just proved to me how arbitrary and subjective and unscientific the entire NMFS Council process is.

I've also caught Geiger out in two direct lies. I met him Fall of 06 and had a long talk. I didn't take at face value what he told me at our meeting and did some fact-checking of my own. I discovered that he knowinlgy lied to me about two different things. Some might say that's par for the course with a public servant but to me that's despicable.

Keep those good posts comin'.

Catch-All