Spot Burning [Archive]

BayTalker

07-17-2008, 11:40 AM

joe2617

07-17-2008, 11:51 AM

Listing general areas, h2o temps, bait or lure used, depth fished and tide stages are great to include in a fishing report. Spot burning is when you list exact spots.

rob

07-17-2008, 11:52 AM

this is considered spot burning:

http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/500/sandyhook.jpg

Bay Stalker

07-17-2008, 11:55 AM

I am sorry but I wanted to ask this question so that I dont get in trouble on here since I am a new member to this site. I am under the understanding that this is a fishing site to help out fishermen and to enjoy reports of your catch or almost catch. What is a spot burn? Am I not suppose to post where I caught certain species? I am 65 years old and really dont understand this part of the site? Can some one expalin to me what I am suppose to say or not to say if I catch fish in a particular area? Is this a rule breaker of the Barn? I really enjoy the information you all share and do not want to offend anyone or make any trouble for the members? Thank you in advance

Posting a report,please be sure to include as much valuable information as possible or as little. When it comes to "location", please DO NOT post specific "SPOTS".

Please do not get upset when your post is edited
This request is brought to you by "P.E.T.S" (People For The Ethical Treatment Of Spots)

General area ....
Tide and Conditions
# Fish Caught
bait/lure/fly

Striper In

07-17-2008, 12:09 PM

Thank You, I'll try there this weekend.

this is considered spot burning:

http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/500/sandyhook.jpg

rocky

07-17-2008, 12:37 PM

What the Puck

07-17-2008, 12:39 PM

just generalize where you caught a fish or where you fished, for ex.
instead of saying under the TI bridge avalon side, just say TI inlet, or instead of saying a hole next to the red bouy behind avalon, say in xx feet of water behind avalon. just generalize.

What the Puck

07-17-2008, 12:46 PM

beennuts

07-17-2008, 12:57 PM

does it realy matter, they could be here today and over there tomorrow!

buy the way, I like to play bumper boats:D

freaky One

07-17-2008, 12:58 PM

I think that the people that cry about spot burning are a joke. If you can't compete with a little more competition out there on the water than stay home or, better yet buy a pond and keep it all to yourself.

SPOT BURN = JOKE (learn how to fish!)

Then you my friend have no idea how many people read this board...Everyone thats wants to fish with Rocky raise their hand!!

mdub1226

07-17-2008, 01:03 PM

I think that the people that cry about spot burning are a joke. If you can't compete with a little more competition out there on the water than stay home or, better yet buy a pond and keep it all to yourself.

SPOT BURN = JOKE (learn how to fish!)

Ok, Rocky. Here's one for ya:
For the sake of competition, you're fishing in a 2-day tourney and after the first day you're leading by a huge amount. After day 1 weigh in everybody is shooting the crap over some beers and next thing you know everyone knows you're honey hole because one of your partners blabbed. In the morning you show up to you're spot and the entire field is there. How do you feel then?

The rules are the rules. They're meant to be followed.

Bob ECT

07-17-2008, 01:07 PM

This site has 20,000 members. For every member, there's probably 4 people who read it but haven't signed up.

Mention a specific area and you'll have so many people fishing there it becomes unfishable for everyone.

Bob ECT

07-17-2008, 01:11 PM

I think that the people that cry about spot burning are a joke. If you can't compete with a little more competition out there on the water than stay home or, better yet buy a pond and keep it all to yourself.

SPOT BURN = JOKE (learn how to fish!)

Where do you fish? Some spots are much, much smaller then others

Inshore/backbay areas are not like the open ocean.

Had a great night of weakfish a few nights ago. The area can hold 2-3 boats max, would it make sense to post that area?

FishnFoFwounder

07-17-2008, 01:16 PM

Last night I started a thread about a real "hot spot" in Avalon NJ.

It was actually meant to be light hearted and a little sarcastic, because there was a bunch of heated conversation in the 'striped bass' section of this forum about a guy who started a thread that was... maybe a bit too specific about the TI Inlet and where he exactly fished there.

So, with tongue in cheek, I started another thread about this other Hot Spot in Avalon.

In it, I gave the exact name this "hotspot".
and I gave the exact street location and address.

However, It was for a F**KING BAR ~ Nighclub that is always loaded with gorgeous ladies.!!!

The PRINCETON BAR at 21st and Dune in Avalon.

This is a bar that is always loaded with great "fishing" possibilities, as the girls are pretty and they are plentiful.

Unfortunately, it got censored by admin, because they did not read it fully...or did not understand it fully.

So be careful at what you post.

BUCKTAIL WILLIE

07-17-2008, 01:20 PM

I spend a LOT of hours finding spots and burn a lot of gas,I will provide any information needed including what type of water to look for but will not give out SPOTS
If you are a fisherman,you need to listen to clues on type of water,tides etc and find your own spots.Some areas can't hold a lot of boats,some can
It is why it is "called fishing and not catching"
There is enough info handed out on this site every day to assure you can catch fish IF YOU PAY ATTENTION

JAT11

07-17-2008, 01:28 PM

There must be a bunch of people on the barn who can't read or understand English (illegals maybe)....No spots....what's so hard to understand....you have to biatch and moan about everything on here. Use your electronics instead of the internet to locate the fish....lazy b-stards. :rolleyes:

CaptG

07-17-2008, 01:44 PM

I think that the people that cry about spot burning are a joke. If you can't compete with a little more competition out there on the water than stay home or, better yet buy a pond and keep it all to yourself.

SPOT BURN = JOKE (learn how to fish!)

Come on Rock, you got to be smarter than that!?!? Let me tell ya, I've seen these sites ruin more good spots "for everyone" in no time than you can shake a stick at!!!

Say, you still doing any bowhunting? You probably wouldn't remember me, being it was over 20 yrs ago but I used to work at Flannagans on 38 back in the mid 80's when I was like 16. You were friends with Pat came in alot and we'd talk hunting. You had a black GLX. Ashame not much left to hunt in Mt. Laurel anymore, used to be great. Putting spots on the internet will do to them what development did to our hunting spots :D

vannstandsmerke

07-17-2008, 01:56 PM

I know several people who put up fake reports and pics so people go elsewhere,seems to work ok for them.its just funny how fast word spreads these days! i still prefer to find my own fish. I don't like relying on others and their half ass reports

rocky

07-17-2008, 01:58 PM

For the guys busting on me, it happens. (spot burning) New Jersey Angler did a show a few years back and damn, there it was on TV. One of my favorite spots was getting burned. Did I cry about it? No, I just found some more areas to fish. As everybody here knows fish don't just stay in one area they move around.
I welcome the honest reports and if that makes me a bad person than, so be it.

mdub1226

07-17-2008, 01:59 PM

You didn't answer my question?

mdub1226

07-17-2008, 02:01 PM

Bob ECT

07-17-2008, 02:08 PM

For the guys busting on me, it happens. (spot burning) New Jersey Angler did a show a few years back and damn, there it was on TV. One of my favorite spots was getting burned. Did I cry about it? No, I just found some more areas to fish. As ever body here knows fish don't just stay in one area they move around.
I welcome the honest reports and if that makes me a bad person than, so be it.

That's a TV show recorded months ago, nothing like real time reports saying go here now.

RebelMusicNP

07-17-2008, 02:37 PM

turn to the back page of the fisherman. there is a spot burned every week. :)

BayTalker

07-17-2008, 02:46 PM

WOW! I get it now. Very sensitive area here. Thank you all for you responses. I was wondering if I catch skates blues or sand sharks species nobody really likes and say were I am is that concidered spot burning. I really am confused about it all but I will do my best to keep it general and only tell those who I fish with my spots. Personally if you ever want to know all you do is have to ask me I just enjoy helping people and enjoy this sport alot. I really dont have any secrets about it. I was taught by my family members and they showed me their spots and we showeed our friends the spots it didnt seem like a big deal to us. My how things have changed. I do hope that if I were to ever give up a spot to some one I would be yelled at or complained to. I really would feel bad for that person yelling at me cause I just dont see what the ruckous is about i. Thanks all for speaking your peace on this. Good fishing to all and be safe out there. :)

bigfish4me

07-17-2008, 02:53 PM

Alright i could see busting a guys balls if he posted something like ....i killed em today drifting from the #348 marker to the #349 marker in ludlums bay , but when i guy even generalizes about doing well at Townsends inlet he gets to hear the song and dance. Is just saying TI not general enough?

mdub1226

07-17-2008, 02:59 PM

The problem is with the spot burning issue is that everyone has their own interpretation and that interpretation changes for each person when one of their spots is involved.

EskimoJoe

07-17-2008, 03:16 PM

Where do you fish? Some spots are much, much smaller then others

Inshore/backbay areas are not like the open ocean.

Had a great night of weakfish a few nights ago. The area can hold 2-3 boats max, would it make sense to post that area?
No...unless you were ungodly stupid:p

FATBASS

07-17-2008, 03:26 PM

rocky

07-17-2008, 03:55 PM

Come on Rock, you got to be smarter than that!?!? Let me tell ya, I've seen these sites ruin more good spots "for everyone" in no time than you can shake a stick at!!!

Say, you still doing any bow hunting? You probably wouldn't remember me, being it was over 20 yrs ago but I used to work at Flannagans on 38 back in the mid 80's when I was like 16. You were friends with Pat came in alot and we'd talk hunting. You had a black GLX. Ashame not much left to hunt in Mt. Laurel anymore, used to be great. Putting spots on the internet will do to them what development did to our hunting spots :D

I am still friends with Pat and I still doing a lot of bow hunting. Last week they even played several of my hunting clips on ESPN, it was pretty cool! You defiantly took me back a few years there.

Here is a spot burn....

Big Bucks...Kansas

Big Elk.......Arizona

CaptG

07-17-2008, 06:28 PM

I am still friends with Pat and I still doing a lot of bow hunting. Last week they even played several of my hunting clips on ESPN, it was pretty cool! You defiantly took me back a few years there.

Here is a spot burn....

Big Bucks...Kansas

Big Elk.......Arizona

Cool Rock, me too but with the offshore boat in CM, I can't swing too many trips to Kansas & Zona but still arrowing some good ones in NJ & PA. I'd love to see some of your hunting clips. Shoot me an email, it should be in my profile or use the email to function.

Pat's a good guy, probably haven't seen him in over a decade + now either. He'd remember me, I'm one of the twins from Canterbury.

As for spot burning, there's Big Tuna off NJ & DE :D that's as specific as you can get anymore without attracting the crowds then having to drop down to such a light leader to get a bite that you'll have little to no chance in landing one.

Beach Pounder

07-17-2008, 06:55 PM

Cool Rock, me too but with the offshore boat in CM, I can't swing too many trips to Kansas & Zona but still arrowing some good ones in NJ & PA. I'd love to see some of your hunting clips. Shoot me an email, it should be in my profile or use the email to function.

Pat's a good guy, probably haven't seen him in over a decade + now either. He'd remember me, I'm one of the twins from Canterbury.

As for spot burning, there's Big Tuna off NJ & DE :D that's as specific as you can get anymore without attracting the crowds then having to drop down to such a light leader to get a bite that you'll have little to no chance in landing one. CaptG do you know the Drakes, Hopsons?

milkieman

07-17-2008, 06:55 PM

Bucktail, well said

eelball

07-17-2008, 07:26 PM

People that have no SPOTS think that SPOT burning is a joke. It's called jealous.

LBI striper searcher

07-17-2008, 07:40 PM

People that have no SPOTS think that SPOT burning is a joke. It's called jealous.

I wish you would burn some of your spots eelball. Just joking with ya. You put in the time and effort and get results, that's what it's all about.

CaptG

07-18-2008, 09:30 AM

CaptG do you know the Drakes, Hopsons?

Knew Marcus well, we used to play football together all the time. Haven't seen him in over a decade now either. He and his brother were both great guys. Hopsons isn't ringing a bell?

What the Puck

07-18-2008, 09:43 AM

if you wantto get a good spot all u have to do is wait for ellball or steve-o and follow them to their fishing spots:p . at least that way your kinda working for it;)

phish4fun

07-18-2008, 10:21 AM

GRAB A CHART FOR THE DB. IT HAS MOST OF THE SPOTS MARKED WITH GPS CORD. YES ALOT FIND THERE OWN HOLES BUT THERE ARE FEW THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND BY OTHERS. AS ONE GUY ON HERE WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE FISHED THE OLD GROUNDS BY HIMSELF MANY YEARS AGO AND NOW ITS NO SECRET. WELL HE HAD TO TELL SOMEONE THEN SO IT MUST BE HIS FAULT:p . OR GRAVLING POINT GOT PUT ON A SHOW ON ESPN AND GUYS IN HERE WERE ALL UPSET. OH WELL IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS ITS NOT A SECRET. THE ONLY HOLE I CANT GIVE UP IS PAULYS HOLE BECAUSE HE HAS THREATNED ME:eek: :p AND ONLY 4 OF US HAVE #S:) BAYSTALKERS POST SAYS IT ALL.

Don C

07-18-2008, 11:07 AM

Damn Rock, you do know how to stir the sh!t. But that's why I love ya buddy.;)

Don C

dak4n6

07-18-2008, 11:11 AM

I know this might start a firestorm, but it's just MHO:

I find it quite amusing that probably 90% of the people claiming certain pieces of S Jersey water as "theirs" are what I would consider to be Shoobies. How can you get all territorial about someplace when you live 100 miles away?

swab1985

07-18-2008, 11:21 AM

Bunch of cry babies, you guys want a sippy cup and a happy meal:rolleyes:

David599

07-18-2008, 11:33 AM

I always say where I've fished accurately.

For me, that means Romer Shoal or Sea Girt Reef or Triple wreck area 53 miles form the inlet... etc

I don't say Romer Shoal at channel edge GPS number XXXXx on outgoing tide though... but a general idea of where we've caught helps some and never seems to hurt us...

The fish have fins and swim around. Giving guys a general area doesnt hurt anybody. I noticed a trend that during the great striper bite this year everybody seemed to go to bigger schools of bunker or where there were boats congregating. For us, we did a lot better just running around and finding small pods and always caught more fish alone...

The same applies for the Reefs. The bigger spots are sort of picked out, but just running around buoys and reading different smaller pieces most always has fish on them... so many good pieces have buoys on them from the pot fisherman anyway

And with the reduced number of young people going fishing, I always try to help others catch fish... its good for all of us.

Finally - I take pictures of fish and keep fish to eat, but I could really care less for the guys who love to stack up the fish on the dock to show what great fisherman they are - but thats part of human nature and competitiveness... I like my fish in a cooler on ice and not basking out in the sun....

Hope you all catch a bunch of whatever this weekend as Im supposed to go hot weather camping...

Beach Pounder

07-18-2008, 02:01 PM

Knew Marcus well, we used to play football together all the time. Haven't seen him in over a decade now either. He and his brother were both great guys. Hopsons isn't ringing a bell? Drakes great friends of mine... Merrit is still in the military, Marcus still lives in the area.

underdogg

07-18-2008, 02:03 PM

except these spots :D
http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodlgvw/V277442_193.jpg

underdog

07-18-2008, 02:57 PM

The bassbarn is great place to learn stuff and is definitely a thing that is here to stay. Alot of positives. I like coming on here as do all of us.

Barn or internet spot-burning, however, causes an abundance of people mostly very good fishermen, to really really dislike this website. Over the last few years, I've heard people around the docks and in fishing gathering places saying, "did you see that spot get burned on the barn?" And they are ticked because they found or learned that fishing spot or jetty on their own or with their grandpop AND now the world invades with no regard for their foul language, lack of control, litter and sometime lack of fishing clue.

Being general will keep the people learning what's going on happy and those who don't want their favorite spots zoned in on specifically. There's no reason for the barn not to make spot-burning off-limits. It serves everyone best. For example: Let the guy from Moorestown know that Avalon is hot and he can do his homework when gets into town. It favors the entire barn for it to be this way.

Bob is right, for how every many are members, god only knows how many read this site.

eelball

07-18-2008, 03:50 PM

Most of my SPOTS aren't huge secrets. They are the product of time and effort. I do share them, but with people that respect them. I've also been trusted with other peoples SPOTS. When I say SPOTS, I'm talking backbay.
I've had SPOTS burned. I'd gao as far as to say Blown up.:eek: So you live and learn. A few of them I still can't fish after a couple years.
I had a guy tell me about a great SPOT he heard of from another guy to catch weakies. Problem was I took that guy there years ago:rolleyes: . Is it a SPOT burn if it's a common knowledge location? Like if I said , guys drifting eels at night under the Longport/O.C bridge are still getting bass.
Is that a SPOT burn?;)

CaptG

07-18-2008, 03:52 PM

Drakes great friends of mine... Merrit is still in the military, Marcus still lives in the area.

That's awesome BP, small world it is. Tell Marcus & Merrit one of the G boy's from the old neighbrhood says Hi!

Hey F4Fun... Anyone who beleives that....what amounts to the "Information Industry" hasn't had a profound affect on the current state of our fisheries has to have a pea for a brain :p

underdog

07-18-2008, 05:01 PM

I enjoy sharing information with lots of people. It's fun to talk about fishing. It's the world-wide web that can be dangerous. Being general on here is just smart for everyone. Tell your friends and your inner circle the GPS type details.

I'll never forget my first spot burn. Funny. I was about 7 years old and I found a creek about 5 feet wide. Nasty little creek behind my house in the woods. I messed around and fell in there a million times, but then I figured out how to catch the grass pickerel in there. I showed a good buddy around the block. Next week I tried to catch them. Nothing. At some point I went to his basement (he had all the cool toys) and there were a bunch of pickerel in his huge fish tank.

Sometimes you learn young right?

BayTalker

07-18-2008, 05:32 PM

Mr or Mrs eeel ball I dont know you but I respect your knowledge on this issue and there for will understand when I post pictures or how the day went for some fish it will not include specific spots. I will though share if I am asked in private because to me and this is just my opinon that I am too old to worrie about a spot that holds fish for just me. I like to see everyone hit a spot and catch fish especially if sons or daughters are on board. There is no greater joy for me then to see a young angler with a smile on his or her face and having a few fish stories to tell. Sure the spot may be over fished in time or even not able to hold more then a few boats. The fish willl move and so the spot becomes over fished. The back waters are vast and theres alweays another spot or two out there. Please understand I am not saying that a person like you who goes out and fishes continueally and produces great catches should advertise everything you do to all. I am just saying the amount of fishing I do compared to most I wouldnt have a problem shareing. Thanks all for the much input on this subject. Do what you do and go catch some fish no matter were you do it and who you decide to do it with . Pass this great sport on to our younger generation. Its a great sport for all to love and share.:D :)

Joefish R

07-18-2008, 06:41 PM

Jezzzzze BayTalker ... in one day, 47 replies and 1,448 views - good job!

... when I was a lurker, I honestly thought spot burning was what you did with spots (the fish) when you used them for bait ...

and Striper In and rob ... too much!

CaptainF

07-18-2008, 07:06 PM

You sound like a gentleman Baytalker. Spot burning on here is not a good thing. Just stay broad in any talk about a spot and you are fine. You can be more specific with baits and other things. It's the location that needs to be general for purposes of on here. Call your family about where you are going to take them on the phone, there's no need to be presice on the barn. Good thread. It needs to be addressed at times and hopefully deleted when it is a spot burn. Good luck with the fishing.

phish4fun

07-18-2008, 08:39 PM

That's awesome BP, small world it is. Tell Marcus & Merrit one of the G boy's from the old neighbrhood says Hi!

Hey F4Fun... Anyone who beleives that....what amounts to the "Information Industry" hasn't had a profound affect on the current state of our fisheries has to have a pea for a brain :p
go eagles:p

Extract Them From the Piece

07-18-2008, 09:49 PM

I've always found that the most useful reports say HOW they caught the fish, not WHERE they caught the fish.

Bay Stalker

07-18-2008, 09:51 PM

Some will just never get it.....:rolleyes:

Joseph Lamberty

07-18-2008, 11:52 PM

does it realy matter, they could be here today and over there tomorrow!

buy the way, I like to play bumper boats:D

It does matter when you head out and there are three or four guys on the spot you wanted to fish, and they are catching and you are not because your off the "Piece" you know holds fish. Don t you realize how many guys are viewing these posts. I' ve seen it first hand, I don t mind sharing but its better done in an E mail or in person.

Liv 2 Fish
Forced 2 Work

take one

07-19-2008, 05:41 AM

my personal best spot is the 123rd rock on the 8th st jetty :D

DarkSkies

07-19-2008, 07:55 AM

hey rocky,

I'm new to fishing from a boat, but i worked hard to find the few spots i know now, and I'm always looking for new spots, and if I find a spot after burning fuel and time, it sux that someone would just tell the whole world where that is. Most of the guys in here have worked hard for the spots they have or were taught by someone close to them, and to me It is annying when someone posts a spot that took me months to find and then it gets burned on a site.

as for competition, I don't mind comp, in fact i welcome it, but burning a spot has nothing to do with competition.

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
I look at this from a surf fisherman's viewpoint. Although I fish on boats, most of my fishing is in the suds, and we have a severe problem with guys doing this, because:

1. You just don't know how much people it will take before a place is closed. If everyone was respectful, no problem. But you can't guarnatee the behavior of others.

2. I too worked to find the spots I learned over the years. Spent many trips scouting spots at low tide to find them, and then going again after the storms to find the new holes and cuts. If I worked to find them, I feel someone else should have to put in at least a little effort, rather than just driving there after seeing a report on the net.

3. As many have said, teaching people "how" to catch a fish is a lot more valuable than "where" in the long run. Any reports I post try to take the "how" details and include them, so people who go to productive areas will not get skunked. For a surf guy, especially when plugging, sometimes it's all about technique, presentation. I have become friends with some amazing guys who will outfish you 2 to 1. When that happens, I pay attention to how they are doing it, and am sometimes lucky and respectful enough, to get them to show ME "how".

This is what I try to pass on to others.

DarkSkies

07-19-2008, 08:25 AM

Barn or internet spot-burning, however, causes an abundance of people mostly very good fishermen, to really really dislike this website. Over the last few years, I've heard people around the docks and in fishing gathering places saying, "did you see that spot get burned on the barn?" And they are ticked because they found or learned that fishing spot or jetty on their own or with their grandpop AND now the world invades with no regard for their foul language, lack of control, litter and sometime lack of fishing clue.

Being general will keep the people learning what's going on happy and those who don't want their favorite spots zoned in on specifically. There's no reason for the barn not to make spot-burning off-limits. It serves everyone best. For example: Let the guy from Moorestown know that Avalon is hot and he can do his homework when gets into town. It favors the entire barn for it to be this way.

Bob is right, for how every many are members, god only knows how many read this site.

IMO this is a problem for this and some other internet sites. Some have an attitude that it's NOT an issue, but from a surfcaster's point of view, it certainly is.

Here are some recent examples, closed or restricted access because of too much fishing pressure, word of mouth, and internet spot burning. Can't necessarily blame the internet sites for all of this, but they do bear a responsibility, particularly when they fail to address and monitor people who would post exact locations.

Monmouth County, NJ
St Alfonso's LB
Pullman Ave
LongBranch jetties now in danger of being closed "to protect fishermen from getting injured on the rocks"
Lake Takanassee

NY
Brookhaven bans fishing at shoreham beach

And for you South Jersey guys, how about Oyster Creek? I have never mentioned on the internet when I fish that place, or when the fishing is good. Yet in the beginning of the season, some well-meaning person will get on a fishing forum somewhere and say "man they're killin them at Oyster!" Next day, 3x the normal amount of guys show up and you are fishing shoulder to shoulder. How do you guys feel about that? http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

You could debate back and forth how some of the issues at these spots are NOT related to spot burning. There would be good arguments on both sides.

However, my point is that being careless wih how we mention spots on the internet, particularly when we have no idea how many lurkers there are at any one time, is not a good idea for those surfcasting spots.

Unlike boaters, we can't just "move and find another spot". Certain areas hold fish for good reason. With development along the coast, we are losing rocky areas of structure that are likely to hold fish for periods of time beyond a 15 minute blitz.

just my .02.

fdformicola

07-19-2008, 08:29 AM

I need exact co ord for where they drift under longport/OC bridges:)
we have moderators on this site they can decide what is spot burning and what isn't. Some time who ever is giving report is just a little over exuberant, probably not done intentionally

JimmyNic

07-19-2008, 04:55 PM

Rocky...well said and it needed to be said.

If your partner blabbed, it's you/your partner's fault. Same if you won a tourny.

If you don't want to burn your spot, like Willie, then don't.

If I take advise from Willie (and we all should because he's the man) and stumble into one of "his" spots then...oh well. The fact is it's not "his" spot unless of course he has a deed (which is possible because he's the man).

Blabbing will cost you...everywhere and always. Shut your face if you don't want anyone to know your business.

"I caught 100 cows in the hole next to the osprey nest in grassy at low tide on chicken wings, but don't fish there or tell anyone else"

Oh yeah...watch me!

Burn it = lose it

Shut face = more fish

I feel that editing posts because of "spot burning" is unconstitutional by the way.

Before I go...there's this unbelievable place in Haddonfield called The Little Tuna. The best seafood and steaks ever. But none of you go there because I want to be able to get a reservation easier. I don't need all of you humps filling up my favorite resteraunt so I can't get in. After all I spent all this gas trying to find a good place.

Some of you are ill...

Pandion

07-19-2008, 05:37 PM

People putting time in and paying dues is almost a thing of the past. The internet has made alot of men soft richards.

DarkSkies

07-19-2008, 06:07 PM

People putting time in and paying dues is almost a thing of the past. The internet has made alot of men soft richards.

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif soft richards and ITG (internet tough guys) kinda blend in together, 2 of a kind.;) Then you meet some of these guys in the real world, and you see why some of them want to be the internet heroes, they have no lives, or are miserable and dissatisfied with their lives, and would rather start a fight or pick on someone on the internet, when they would never have the balls to do that in person.http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

Capt. Scott

07-19-2008, 10:16 PM

oggie

07-19-2008, 11:30 PM

:) You sure got a quick lesson on fishing, spot burning and locations from the experts//// og

Forever Night

07-19-2008, 11:57 PM

What cracks me up is if I find a hole...which any moron can find....and it has fish in it today....why do I care what any of you think if I post it on the internet???? I found the fish...not the hole as anyone with a sinker or fishfinder can find....so why can't I give the fish away????? I found them????? Did you?????:p ;) :D :D

Any of you that think you found saltwater fish....not a hot freshwater pond....you are dreaming.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

there is someone right behind you every day....:p :p

Actually not every moron can find fish, youd be surprised.

The reason you should care is the site and the moderators asks you NOT to do it because it starts interent feuding and whole big hoopla which eventually gets locked up. So why not just do what they ask?

You appear to be a sponsor so I guess that gives you some entitlement to as you please I suppose, and they wont say anything to you like they may another.

You are free to start your own site with different rules also, capt scotts barn is kinda catchy, and post away with spots. But when here it doesn't make sense to go against whats asked.

capemaychef

07-20-2008, 02:27 AM

Actually not every moron can find fish, youd be surprised.

The reason you should care is the site and the moderators asks you NOT to do it because it starts interent feuding and whole big hoopla which eventually gets locked up. So why not just do what they ask?

You appear to be a sponsor so I guess that gives you some entitlement to as you please I suppose, and they wont say anything to you like they may another.

You are free to start your own site with different rules also, capt scotts barn is kinda catchy, and post away with spots. But when here it doesn't make sense to go against whats asked.

I'm with Capt Scott...however I think he was just trying to lighten the place up a bit anyway...

He didn't say anyone can find the fish...he said anyone with a sinker or fishfinder can find a hole...I have found about 8-10 holes t hat don't have fish...maybe they do..maybe they don't:)

Even Steven

07-20-2008, 06:34 AM

I was told a while back on this very forum that it is not spot burning unless there are fewer than 5-8 people there at any given time during a particular run. If the place always has people there, then I was told it's obviously not a secret 'spot' so post away and be sure to include as many landmarks in the pics as possible so the newbies have a shot at some fish. There is obviously some truth to this because there was a post recently that listed at least 3 specific spots with exact street names, it was reported, the mods never removed it, obviously no spot burning issue. Imo, the whole spot thing has been beat to death, so just post away. A few of us together are actually working on a power point presentation of all the hot spots in the Southern 1/2 of the state of NJ with maps, GPS #'s, and driving/walking directions. Info collected through anonymous surveys and other spot posts on the forum. Should be released in early fall ;) Everyone should have a fair shot right?

Capt. Scott

07-20-2008, 07:21 AM

I'm with Capt Scott...however I think he was just trying to lighten the place up a bit anyway...

He didn't say anyone can find the fish...he said anyone with a sinker or fishfinder can find a hole...I have found about 8-10 holes t hat don't have fish...maybe they do..maybe they don't:)

Thanks;) ...I did say any moron (and I shouldn't as I know it infuriates people...why I'm not sure unless I'm calling them a moron...:D ) but I DID SAY FIND A HOLE AND NOT FIND FISH.

And to anyone thinks that I'm a renegade...well I don't post "spots" to adhere to the rule...but I'll push the "envelope" any time I think that it's rediculous and if I'm edited...well let's just say I won't make a fuss....:cool:

underdog

07-20-2008, 07:38 AM

Someone earlier said that the fish were "here tomorrow gone the next day" or something like that. If that was the case why do the same wrecks produce flounder, tog and seabass every year for a week, a month or longer. The fish eventually migrate, but every year fish are going swim into that place and stay there.

Same thing in the bays and rivers. The great sod banks will continue to produce stripes each year for a period of time. Maybe gone tomorrow at some point, but they'll back next week or next year.

People make mistakes with spot burns but the mods can help out by politely deleting the info and nicely tell them why. This site is strong as hell and it will be better if this is taken serious. There is more animosity about spot burns from the bassbarn then the mods even know and that shows the real power of this site, but with the prominence and power of the site many hope for responsibility.

Personally when these people I know tell me how much they've come to dislike the site due to spot burns, I tell them about how many great things they've gotten from here, this is a great site. Like how to fix boat problems, or selling their car, or info on a rig, or what a stripers is biting on in April or whatever. No spot burn has burned me yet and who knows if it ever will, but I definitely understand the topic and think it is important to address to make this the best site in the country. Without spot burning, there will be the same amount of members and all the advertisers will continue to do great so it just seems like a simple choice of moderation on here.

BUCKTAIL WILLIE

07-20-2008, 08:01 AM

90% OF THE FISH CAUGHT ARE CAUGHT IN 10% OF AVAILABLE WATER BY 10% OF THE FISHERMAN
#1 Reason for not identiflying spots
#2- the 10% of fisherman who catch 90% of the fish WORK HARD to find those spots and too many times once a spot is identified publicly 6-10 boats show up next day running around like idiots which puts fish bite DOWN .
There is enough information on this site to become one of the 10% who catches

BT3100

07-20-2008, 09:19 AM

I did not read all of the pages of this thread but I too think that its a joke when people freak out about spots... What a joke... It seems certain people are more freaky about it then others. I will give my numbers up, have nothing to hide. To be honest I spend more time locating new "SPOTS" then fishing older locations. I also love the people on here that are so quick to blast people that they disagree with :rolleyes:
Grow UP

JoeyZac

07-20-2008, 09:51 AM

Ron's site, Ron's rules - it's that simple.

Whether or not his rules are ridiculous are another matter. Spot burning, Barn Sale Rules, etc - whatever. Obey Ron's rules or start your own site.

It's not hard to do.

BT3100

07-20-2008, 10:06 AM

Its funny, if you look the people who break balls about spot burning and rules etc. never seem to post reports :rolleyes:
Funny isn't it :cool:

Long Point

07-20-2008, 10:27 AM

What a waste of time and bandwidth, this subject is a joke. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/fighting/fighting0080.gif Try and use just a LITTLE common sence..

swab1985

07-20-2008, 10:43 AM

Actually not every moron can find fish, youd be surprised.

The reason you should care is the site and the moderators asks you NOT to do it because it starts interent feuding and whole big hoopla which eventually gets locked up. So why not just do what they ask?

You appear to be a sponsor so I guess that gives you some entitlement to as you please I suppose, and they wont say anything to you like they may another.

You are free to start your own site with different rules also, capt scotts barn is kinda catchy, and post away with spots. But when here it doesn't make sense to go against whats asked.

You must have got one of "your" "spots" "burned":rolleyes: ....bittter, bitter people...by the way, the Barge at the mouth of the Maurice river on the Delaware bay in New Jersey on the east coast of America is producing decent catches of keeper bass, croakers, and perch:rolleyes:

wentfishn47

07-20-2008, 11:17 AM

IMO this is a problem for this and some other internet sites. Some have an attitude that it's NOT an issue, but from a surfcaster's point of view, it certainly is.

Here are some recent examples, closed or restricted access because of too much fishing pressure, word of mouth, and internet spot burning. Can't necessarily blame the internet sites for all of this, but they do bear a responsibility, particularly when they fail to address and monitor people who would post exact locations.

Monmouth County, NJ
St Alfonso's LB
Pullman Ave
LongBranch jetties now in danger of being closed "to protect fishermen from getting injured on the rocks"
Lake Takanassee

NY
Brookhaven bans fishing at shoreham beach

And for you South Jersey guys, how about Oyster Creek? I have never mentioned on the internet when I fish that place, or when the fishing is good. Yet in the beginning of the season, some well-meaning person will get on a fishing forum somewhere and say "man they're killin them at Oyster!" Next day, 3x the normal amount of guys show up and you are fishing shoulder to shoulder. How do you guys feel about that? http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

You could debate back and forth how some of the issues at these spots are NOT related to spot burning. There would be good arguments on both sides.

However, my point is that being careless wih how we mention spots on the internet, particularly when we have no idea how many lurkers there are at any one time, is not a good idea for those surfcasting spots.

Unlike boaters, we can't just "move and find another spot". Certain areas hold fish for good reason. With development along the coast, we are losing rocky areas of structure that are likely to hold fish for periods of time beyond a 15 minute blitz.

just my .02.

I agree 100%!!!

Like Bay Stalker(Vince) said some people just do not get it!!!!!!

wentfishn47

07-20-2008, 11:27 AM

People putting time in and paying dues is almost a thing of the past.

SO TRUE!!! IMO putting your time in finding fish and places to fish is much more rewarding then chasing a report. But some people will never feel that rush because they will always chase the reports:rolleyes:

Forever Night

07-20-2008, 01:00 PM

You must have got one of "your" "spots" "burned":rolleyes: ....bittter, bitter people...by the way, the Barge at the mouth of the Maurice river on the Delaware bay in New Jersey on the east coast of America is producing decent catches of keeper bass, croakers, and perch:rolleyes:

The chances are someone sent you to this barge and the croakers, there its easy for you to turn around give it away easy too. Its not bitterness its about "earning"

good work on the croakers though.

swab1985

07-20-2008, 08:58 PM

The chances are someone sent you to this barge and the croakers, there its easy for you to turn around give it away easy too. Its not bitterness its about "earning"

good work on the croakers though.

Thank you, the kids and the girlfriend loved it:) i've been fishing the Dbay my entire life and know that river like the back of my hand, but yes, somebody must have told me about it:rolleyes: ;) :rolleyes:

Capt. Scott

07-21-2008, 07:58 AM

As long as we are talking about it...what do you think of the Atlantic City thread just started by Jacksmack290????

Asked about a spot...Atlantic City Inlet...which many times inlets have been called a "spot"...

You might want to visit over there and see what's up ...;)

Blynch

07-24-2008, 10:51 AM

I am sorry but I wanted to ask this question so that I dont get in trouble on here since I am a new member to this site. I am under the understanding that this is a fishing site to help out fishermen and to enjoy reports of your catch or almost catch. What is a spot burn? Am I not suppose to post where I caught certain species? I am 65 years old and really dont understand this part of the site? Can some one expalin to me what I am suppose to say or not to say if I catch fish in a particular area? Is this a rule breaker of the Barn? I really enjoy the information you all share and do not want to offend anyone or make any trouble for the members? Thank you in advance

It's basically a cover-up excuse for experienced barners to only share info with their freinds.

MaxPower

07-24-2008, 11:27 AM

rchipbrown

07-24-2008, 11:52 AM

The rule is that identification of specific "spots" to fish is not allowed. Just accept it and move on.

Brian E. Mullaney

07-24-2008, 11:53 AM

SO TRUE!!! IMO putting your time in finding fish and places to fish is much more rewarding then chasing a report. But some people will never feel that rush because they will always chase the reports:rolleyes:

report chasers suck - I do not post reports or pics anymore

Capt. Scott

07-24-2008, 01:12 PM

This site is an invaluable tool....but.... to take any report on here seriously is a mistake. I am a fisherman and I know fisherman....I also know how the truth gets stretched amongst our ilk....

When a report gets posted who knows if there is even a shred of truth contained in it. I would never run to a spot that was posted on this site because for all I know the fisherman is deliberately trying to misinform people.

What this site is good for is TRENDS....without caring about the "where" I care more about "what" people are catching and if in any numbers.

Well I don't know about you or your friends...but I know a few people that I believe their word as gospel and I know my word is too.;)

I've been fishing too long that I have to prove anything so why would I post anything but the truth???? To impress people I don't know???? And the ones I do would call me on it if it was wrong or stretched....not that I don't make mistakes...but to phony up a report?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I also know a few on here that would back my word as if it were gold...so if I post something it does have some value for those who take the time to find out about me...

For me the real question is what's a "specific spot".....something that is obvious on a chart like a bridge or a buoy...and I want to post there's an abundance of triggers there....all I'm doing is telling something that many already know and usually there's people there whether I post or not...

I agree whole heartedly about freshwater ponds, deep back bay holes or hot flats....etc...etc... But I still don't know why a post that Corson's Inlet or the TI Bridge is any big deal because there's plenty of water to fish and I've never seen one of those "spot burning" posts create a water jam. I'm usually on the water every day...often all day....I just don't see those reports as "spot burning"....

fishypete

07-24-2008, 01:26 PM

For every Barner posting a report there are a hundred more lurking. I have always kept it general, post only about half the times I fish (even the skunks), and also like Brian very rarely post pics. I have seen guys go nuts on others because you can see a buoy, jetty, or bridge in the background.
I can honestly say that I have never BSed on a report but I don't read the barn for the reports just more for overall knowledge and techniques.

FISHMAN77

07-24-2008, 01:42 PM

I have been hearing this for a long time and i do not understand the big deal... you got numbers of structure no one knows about? keep it to yourself.. if it is on a chart and public knowlefge who cares...

This situation would be like putting a clip art you created on the web and trying to sue someone who got it off of google for infringment...

It is not yours. it is public knowledge!! VOICE YOUR SPOTS OR DONT..

I will give anyone who calls me on the radio my exact coordinates anytime.. Thats why us offshore guys catch fish..

underdog

07-24-2008, 06:55 PM

This is up here again huh? Fishing is unlike other hobbies, it is dependent on things that we call "spots." This pursuit is not like collecting stamps or shooting hoops, where it doesn't depend on a spot. We are now in the internet era and awesome websites such as the bassbarn have and can have a huge influence on where people fish. I've seen spots posted on here and then they are covered up the following day by 5x the boats and I'm on the water a bit excessively and see it happen overnight sometimes. Examples have been given on here previously of how spot burns have literally caused serious problems for land anglers and boat guys get can get burned too. It's better for internet purposes to stay general and avoid all the hub bub.

CaptScott I think saying an inlet has triggers moving in is fine, saying the fish are ganged up on buoy #whatever I would say is too detailed for the net. Since you asked that's my opinion.

What is the actual barn rule on spot burns and is it enforced? I have no idea?? I have never been burned, but I know many who have and have seen it. It makes people really hate the site and upsets them at those who burn and it doesn't need to be that way. The barn is pretty kickass in what it brings to the table. What is the barn rule on this and is it enforced, anyone? mods?

fdformicola

07-24-2008, 08:01 PM

do fish swim? do they move in and out with the tides or do they stay anchored in one place?:rolleyes:

Bob ECT

07-24-2008, 09:58 PM

Thats why us offshore guys catch fish..

Offshore is not inshore. Get 3 boats in some small inshore areas and nobody catches nothing

Bob ECT

07-24-2008, 10:00 PM

do fish swim? do they move in and out with the tides or do they stay anchored in one place?:rolleyes:

Inshore they follow the same tendencies for weeks at a time. Same place, same time (by tide) everyday. Learn it and they can be pretty damm easy to catch as long people don't scare them away :D

BayTalker

07-24-2008, 10:41 PM

WOW what a subject to ask about. All of you have great points to it and I am well educated on all your opinons. Fishing is meant to be passed along to anyone who embraces it. I like to be concidered one who teaches those who ask. I still feel the same about a particular spot but understand those who work at this sport and understand why they dont post exact spots. I think its a matter of choice by the one who discovers the spot how much activity he/or she wants and or if they want it to just a few selected. Its all good to me though and to the ones that work hard at it keep working yo make the sport pure and make others work to find enjoyment the rush. As far as spots if you want to fish with the masses get on a head boat then your fair game. At the mercy of the captian.:)

rocky

07-25-2008, 12:09 AM

Baytalker,
If you ever want a honest report don't worry, I will give it to you. I am not one of those people that think the World is falling if someone posts a honest report!

TroutSlayer

07-25-2008, 03:30 AM

Stop whining like little babies!!

procastinator

07-26-2008, 09:59 AM

There are only x # of spots and Y # of boats, if you give out a spot, wouldn't that mean that there will be fewer boats on another location. :)

There are more areas that hold fish than most fisherman realize. My chartplotter has a plethora of locations that produce, and I didn't get them from the internet. Fish are creatures of habit , and, are very predictable. Time on the water is what will make any fisherman sucessful. However, time on the water has to be absorbed and disected, and most of all remembered. How many of you guys are running around the water looking for other boats ? Why not look at your sounder instead ? :confused:

I have had many people approach me when we wre back at the dock and say that they looked all over for us and didn't see us anywhere. Why is that? It is because when I see alot of boats, I generally head away from them.

If anglers tried to gleem as much info from their chartplotters and sonar as they do to the internet, this unending debate wouldn't have started in the first place. :)

Joseph Lamberty

07-26-2008, 10:21 AM

[QUOTE=procastinator]There are only x # of spots and Y # of boats, if you give out a spot, wouldn't that mean that there will be fewer boats on another location. :)

There are more areas that hold fish than most fisherman realize. My chartplotter has a plethora of locations that produce, and I didn't get them from the internet. Fish are creatures of habit , and, are very predictable. Time on the water is what will make any fisherman sucessful. However, time on the water has to be absorbed and disected, and most of all remembered. How many of you guys are running around the water looking for other boats ? Why not look at your sounder instead ? :confused:

I have had many people approach me when we wre back at the dock and say that they looked all over for us and didn't see us anywhere. Why is that? It is because when I see alot of boats, I generally head away from them.

I Agree 100% . 10 % of All Fishermen catch 90% percent of all the Fish because they remember what works, where the fish can be found and repeat the patterns they learned. Don t get me wrong there is always room to learn something new but its only those who remember what they learned who are able to put it into practice.

Liv 2 Fish
forced 2 work..

BUCKTAIL WILLIE

07-26-2008, 01:13 PM

JOESPH-- right on ,could not have said it better
Seems like a lot of fisherman want things without working for them
I put the time in ,keep good records ,burn a lot of gas m], why should I pass on my spots
BUT than if Democrats take Whire House we may be told we have to give up our spots :( as part of the Government welfare programs

Pandion

07-26-2008, 06:51 PM

It's just very american to complain when everything isn't handed to you.:D :rolleyes:

5bares

07-26-2008, 07:32 PM

this is considered spot burning:

http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/500/sandyhook.jpg Can you still see that red X at high tide or do you have to wait for low tide?:D

Working Class Hero

07-27-2008, 12:12 AM

20,000 members on the Barn and 4 times that many lurking!!! I would say maybe 10 times as many lurking.Everyone I talk to is a lurker..... simply amazing!
But the fishing reports are what make the Barn so great!
I would say that CapeMayRay has the most and best reports by far. So many have said that in the past. Ray also has wonderful pix on every report. Many would say that CapeMayRay is the best thing on this Bass Barn.
He doesn't "burn" the spots....... he gives hope to the many that view this site. It's the main reason I and many others check out this site.
If I ever saw Ray in person, I would shake his hand and take him out to lunch.
The pollution and wacky weather and the bug spraying and the netters are the ones who wreck a spot.
Ray, for example, is a asset for the fishing in NJ! His reports with those wonderful pix are good for his charter business and also good for the many who visit the Barn. He is a C&R'er and great for the future of NJ fishing.
Quite a few know where he fishes, but I don't see any spot burning. Actually, the salt water fly fishermen are in a class of their own! Such a pleasure to talk to and such a asset for the NJ fishing future. Educated gentlemen that have the future of fishing as a top priority. When I see a fly fisherman in the suds, I want to go over and give him a hug!!! and I'm not gay!!! LOL
Way too many people in the world now and all the fish are in a decline, but the wonderful reports with pix on the Barn is what makes it great.
I wish a lot more would post pix on here......... no exact locations, or watch where you take a pic, but pix are wonderful. No pix are just BS to me!!

capemaychef

07-27-2008, 05:36 AM

Just go fishing and get the F! over it!!!!!! Enjoy your time on the water...

chunking

07-27-2008, 02:09 PM

Another baited hook is no concern to me. It's the wave runners and big cruisers that go around and back and forth all day that piss me off.

Chances of fishing and not seeing another boat or fisherman is slim and none. I love Turtle Creek for flounder fishing. Everyone loves Turtle Creek for flounder fishing. It's fun to go up there when there are boats all over the place fishing. Run your motor to control your drift and use light tackle and the correct technique and watch the other fisherman watch as you catch and they don't. Just proves that it's not always the spot but the person fishing that spot. Look how many fisherman have been fishing the Jersey coast for all these years. I can guarantee that if you go out and find a new great spot that you will be pissing someone off who had that same spot for years.

Land fisherman are another story. I can understand why they keep secrets. Only so many good areas to fish by foot and if you find one then you want to protect it.

Fishing is a lot of work and you get out what you put into it. Why can one boat hardly catch anything while another boat in the same location limit out?

BUCKTAIL WILLIE

07-27-2008, 07:41 PM

FRED, answer to your question is simple
fisherman DON"T pay attention to where they are at, don't listen to all the tips on this site
AND DON"T USE FRED's BAIT

I have no problem with a spot IF you find me on the water BUT I'm not going to put out on the barn a good spot ,I ,used to do that, but found all too often people would come running in at high speeds and take off at high speeds shutting the bite down for a while and leaving a huge wake
I've given numerous tips to more considerate fisherman on the water that has paid off for them but they are the considerate fisherman

DarkSkies

07-27-2008, 10:34 PM

It's just very american to complain when everything isn't handed to you.:D :rolleyes:

^What he said. http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Even Steven

07-28-2008, 07:26 AM

It's just like the guys who post asking for reports and run out to fish once they hear they are biting....which in actuality is usually too late 9 out of 10 times.

Just get out and fish! You people can't find different spots and catch fish sitting in front of your PC's.

I think it's this whole time and efficiency thing. People are getting worse and worse in regards to demanding everything immediately and not wanting to wait around. Since the internet and PC's came around, people are more and more demanding and less and less likely to actually spend the time waiting. I deal with it every day in the retail industry and these people are maniacs!! They don't have a second in life to waste, everything must be handed to them immediately. Waiting in line, LOL. People freak out if there is a line somewhere. I was raised before all this hustle and bustle and people rushing and being so demanding. We used to take a number when waiting in a line....nowadays, people just push to the front or ask for management when they see a line or God forbid....they are at a restaurant and have to wait 10 minutes for their dinner.

People need to get a sense of patience back and a little do-it-yourself goes a long way. Get out there, buy some bait/lures, fill your tank with gas, and venture around until you find a spot with fish. No need to have everything handed to you immediately. Society sucks! :D

TianaBeachDude

07-28-2008, 10:24 AM

spot burning is NO good and that is that

Fishenough

07-28-2008, 10:38 AM

spot burning is NO good and that is that

Hide your plugs. TBD has arrived.;):D Welcome to the barn.

rjf3

07-28-2008, 10:40 AM

Hide your plugs. TBD has arrived.;):D Welcome to the barn.

LOL...

Welcome TBD.

Russ

BIGGESTJACK

07-28-2008, 11:16 AM

Skip M

07-28-2008, 04:20 PM

NOBODY GETS THE ANCIENT MARINERS SPOTS!!!! maybe because they don't want them. Hmmm.

OffshoreAfflicted

07-28-2008, 06:43 PM

How's this for spot burning.

A few years back I worked on a charter boat out of Point Pleasant and we were running back to back trips for tuna. One trip we run accross a temp break 20 miles short of the Hudson and find it loaded with life. Limit out on yellowfin in a few hours and top off the fish boxes with longfin (that was a 20 man limit). We were lucky just happened accross the motherload. A regular customer ask where we were fishing he is heading out on a friends boat the next day. Our captain being a nice guy hands him a piece of paper with GPS #'s so he can find it no problem, even tells him to hail us when he gets there and we will help put him on the meat etc. Any way we head out to the spot the next day to find a parking lot, it looked like someone just opened a new Wall Mart there.
Later we find out the guy bumped into someone who bumped into someone that talked to someone and somehow thos GPS coordinates wind up in the morning paper!!!!:eek:

AHHHHHHHHHHH! Now that was a spot burn!

And the last time the capt gave anyone anything more specific than the Hudson as a location. :p