IBSP Beach Pass $195 No Problem....

[Cardshop]

I know that they raised the price of the IBSP Beach Buggy pass to $195 per year. I don't think that will discourage many. In fact most will only mildly complain. I could be wrong. You tell me.

BUT going from $125 to $195 in one year is a huge jump. We don't get anything for it. In fact, they could raise it again next year from $195 to say $250. AND in 2005 raise it to $325.

Did I miss out? Is anyone complaining or doing anything about this? Should we?

Don't get me wrong, I can afford the $325. It a lot less than a boat slip costs. It just seems wrong that we get such a huge jump in one year. Perhaps they could keep the rate flat for the next three years. Or give us additional access.

What do you think?

[snapull]

Corsons doubled in price this year, it could of been doubled up there. At least it seems there is alot more action up there, so maybe it worth the price, but not the drive on a regular enough basis to drop $195 for me.

[Cardshop]

Weekend passed went up too. How many fish do I have to catch to justify $195 (Without adding the cost of the truck, gas, bait and tackle).

[FISH BUCKET]

this guvner has raised the fees on just about everything! 4 and out!!

[Cardshop]

Glad that they didn't double IBSP. We have a lot more beach to fish than at corsons. Sorry to hear they raised that too.


Originally posted by snapull:
Corsons doubled in price this year, it could of been doubled up there. At least it seems there is alot more action up there, so maybe it worth the price, but not the drive on a regular enough basis to drop $195 for me.

[C Side]

Cardshop, I think your post is very timely. I'd like to know why is everyone so resigned to the increase? I especially would like to know why these organizations like the NJBBA never made a sound let alone raised hell. It all strikes me very odd. A 56% increase to $195 will deny some
fishermen beach buggy access to IBSP. It will also incent shore communities to raise their fees. Most troubling is that taking this fee hike with only some mild, disorganized grumbling, will guarantee another increase.

[Ding]

Are you kidding!! I can only imagine the crying thats gonna go on. It has begun. HAPPY DAYS.


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[Cardshop]

Thanks C Side.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I wouldn't mind the $195 so much if I could get a state wide pass or something else in return. I pay Seaside Park $55 for their pass too. I'd like to travel to some of the towns just north of seaside when the fish are there but I'd have to buy about 6 permits. Why not one pass for IBSP, Corsons and Sandy Hook?

[Eric G]

The fee increase was buried in the NJ Budget document of last year, so unless you were privy to read the 2000 page document, hardley any "notice" was given to the "targeted" public, in fact some park rangers were surprise about the fee increases. The State did comply with Public Notice requirements by advertising the Budget document correctly. Another thing to thank Gov Jim McGroovey. The fee increase is also advertised to help out the Div. Fish & Game operations budget (See the NJFGW Director's new Expediation all decked out behind 401 E. State NJDEP HQ bldg. :mad: )

Yes, the opposition is starting to grow and getting warmed up. Unfortunately, local towns are looking at the State increase and maybe following thier lead.

[Ding]

With re-election time approaching, the gov needs the extra finances. He so much loves to get it from people he doesn't want around. Makes you wonder whats on his agenda. It should appear quite evident that nj wants rid of surf fishermen. HAPPY DAYS.


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[DaveS]

All state park fees increased last summer. Apparently the current administration in Trenton found a way to bring in money to the general fund with the least amount of uproar from the public. Funny how the price increase took place mid year. My guess is if they tried that at the end or beginning of the year they would have heard about it like they did on the gas tax. Will the price go up in three years? Most likely yes if we dont do something about the attitude and fiscal policy we currently have in office.

All in all I wouldn't mind paying more if the money collected would be directed to improvements in the park system. I wouldn't mind seeing infrastructure upgrades, better paid, better trained rangers and to aquire more usable park lands. I do mind the money I pay to use the park going towards some unneeded project to buy votes from the electorate.

[one eye willy]

For that kind of money you should get acess to all beaches in the state like in Del. NJ. should change it's motto to NJ. and you going broke together! :mad:

[beachblitz]

That was a slick move - burying the increase in the budget. Caught me with my pants down since I usually get the pass in September (not this year). Gotta love them politicians. Politics is the oldest profession - first they negotiated the price.

[Cardshop]

Happy New Year everyone! If the park is open on Thursday I'm gonna pay up the $195. IBSP is really a nice area and I want it to stay that way so I really think $195 per year is a reasonable price to pay. I would have liked to be able to park at the bathhouses with my $195 payment but that's extra so I won't pick that up. I'll still buy a pass to seaside park as well. So there's $250 for beach access. I am thinking about a pass to Lavellette as well since I like to fish the jetties.

The State should net about $450,000 more in beach permit fees with the increase. If 9,000 people purchased passes in 2003 @ $125 that's $1,125,000 in annual permit fees. I'm going to assume that 10% of the people won't renew at the higher fees so there will be 8,100 permits @ $195 or $1,579,500. I don't think they can build the extra beach house they want with the extra $450,00.


OH, I did go fishing today and caught 1 short and 5 skates. Not bad with a south wind. Also had to help dig someone out(Two weeks in a row now). I'll be there tommorrow too.

As for the sneaky mid year increases all I can figure out to do is to vote out of office the sneaky politicians.

See you on the beach.

[McSurf]

somebody had to pay for the boaters to access the park with comfort and ease.i'm new here so this might be an old sore spot about the boaters.the assessment should have gone to the boaters.i am a boater also & theres no reason for the free ride.plus most of these people, not all are high maintenance!how many years has it been since we went from 95. to 125.

[one eye willy]

Cardshop,McSurf, You seem to be missing the hole point here about why people are getting upset. the extra money raised by the increases at the state parkes witch includes IBSP, is going into the states general fund, Not to the park system. It will in no way help or inprove any park, just the state budget. That is why people are getting pi##ed off! If they were puting the money back into the parks we wouldn't have a problem with it!!!!! :(

[FISH BUCKET]

the state has us by the short hairs and they know it.i've heard officials say whats another $50 to people who drive $40,000 4x4's!
surf fishing is my only vice,so i'll pay up and cut back on something else.
it's been said before but it bears repeating,NJ is a s*ck-as*,money hungry state!

[McSurf]

how was the money appropriated for the boaters access from tices.was it parks or general budget spending?

[Spindrift]

I second "Fish Bucket". The man under the golden dome must go! One and Done!!!!

[McSurf]

the man under the golden dome inherited a republican w---ns spending spree!now we get socked again as hard working taxpayers.

[freedom]

hell i say give them all "pink slips" thats rigth lay em "ALL" off for five years/take thier pay checks and put that money in the genral fund ! no new laws needed that bad for the next five years that we couldn't get along with.live with just as things are now..

freedom ots.

[adam]

I'd like to see the permit to go up to $500 to really weed out some of the traffic on that beach. I find it sad when I have @ seven miles(I forget the exact #) of beach to drive and look for a parking spot. I love IBSP but haven't bought a pass in 2 years just because of the crowds that are there. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

[C Side]

$500? Why not $1000? Imagine how much room you'd have then. Yeah, that's it. That would really keep the riff-raff out. Well Moneybags, at the rate things are going it may not be long before you get your wish.

[ReadyJettyGo]

Do what I did . Have the wife buy it for XMas.
The only good thing about working retail is getting days off during the week. The beach is never crowded, always plenty of room.

[Sudsrat]

I just picked up my permit today.Don't like the increase but seeing that I go there 40+ times a year,well...
Though I would rather see a combined state park permit for, say, $250.

[fishin4em]

why not schedual a rally just outside the park in protest of the huge increase, draw attention to the problem with media? this should made known too all including the people who take their familys to the swimming beach.if people would boycott then maybe it can be reduced with the next budget proposal. this state is becoming impossible to deal with,everything is getting raised but my paycheck :mad:

[adam]

Originally posted by C Side:
$500? Why not $1000? Imagine how much room you'd have then. Yeah, that's it. That would really keep the riff-raff out. Well Moneybags, at the rate things are going it may not be long before you get your wish. Moneybags............No not at all but the cheapshot was really necessary and tasteful :rolleyes:

For instance I would rather pay more for a three hour round of golf than play on a public course somewhere and have 18 holes take 5+hours.

Also I would like to see a huge price hike to steer away the "riff raff" Maybe then I would go to that beach and not feel like a trash collector. Or be able to fish a nice cut without ten more people within a 100 feet of watching your every move. How about all the families that BBQ out there in front of huge holes that I would love to fish from every angle. When I do try to they ask me to go somewhere else. How about the rangers enforcing the "sportfishing permit" instead of letting every Tom, Frank, and Joe get their permit to have a nice quiet piece of beach to share with their honey.

Or maybe even then I would be able to post my opinion in a public forum and not be belittled because it opposes yours.

[R & R]

Originally posted by McSurf:
the man under the golden dome inherited a republican w---ns spending spree!now we get socked again as hard working taxpayers. ----------------------
You have got to be kidding!!!!Yes we are in a money bind only because there is not enough for the programs that work & this morons cowtailings to north jersey.Whem christine was in i got a check back &thats all i care about.This joker runs off companies & drives the unemploiment rate up.A PARTY FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE yea right.R&R

[ 01-04-2004, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: R & R ]

[Cardshop]

I could be wrong about the state making money on the increased fees. Seems like more than 10% of the people aren't renewing at this time.

I went to get my renewal on new years day. Showed up around 12:15. No one there at the entrance.

Went back on Friday afternoon. Only 24 people got permits that day. My number was in the low 600's. Last year, same time, I was number 1004. So renewals are off 40%. The weather was great so that's not the reason.

[C Side]

Also I would like to see a huge price hike to steer away the "riff raff" Maybe then I would go to that beach and not feel like a trash collector. Or be able to fish a nice cut without ten more people within a 100 feet of watching your every move. How about all the families that BBQ out there in front of huge holes that I would love to fish from every angle. When I do try to they ask me to go somewhere else. How about the rangers enforcing the "sportfishing permit" instead of letting every Tom, Frank, and Joe get their permit to have a nice quiet piece of beach to share with their honey.
I could have written those same complaints. And I would have added the kid's kite coming down over your lines. The Ranger drives right on by when there's not even a pretense of fishing now. Drives me nuts!
But, taxes (permits, fees, etc) are a sore subject with me. Even though I'd enjoy thinning out the crowd, I feel raising the fee to accomplish that is wrong. Also, I would add that it's a two edged sword. We could afford a $500 permit, but what do we say when the price is hiked to an amount that we won't/can't justify paying?

[Cardshop]

I would like to retire within the next year or so. How will I be able to afford $500 just for access to IBSP? Just when my health won't let me walk on the beach and I need to ride I won't be able to afford it. Can I get a senior citizen's discount?

[McSurf]

what my least favorite irishman should have done was increase non residents 100%,& residents a flat $25.00.

[C Side]

Mc, I don't want to get started about this govenor, but what he should have done was cut spending!! Where is it all going to end?

Cardshop you may be right about the increase having the reverse effect. Wouldn't that be a kick? It wouldn't be the first example of a tax/fee increase that backfired. Let's hope.

[Surffisher]

I knew about the increase last June. I usually get my pass in the summer but I boycotted the park this fall. Sorry for the locals who lost out on my other spending, bait, gas, food, ice, coffee, breakfast, etc. etc. So much for fee increases. Seems like the state will loose tax money with this permit increase due to the lack of support of local business. But I'm sure they had it all figured out beforehand.

I can afford the increase, that's not the issue. The issue is the money going into the general fund. I'd pay it with no problem if the money went back into the park.

A better idea for a show of disapproval is in Trenton, in front of the state capital. Imagine hundreds of 4X4's all over the place, with rods flying!!?? What a sight, Might make a point!

[fmTuna]

I have had a pass for the last couple of years and have posted on several occasions that Iwill not be buying one at 195... and it is not an affordability issue, it s just that I am tired of getting hosed by NJ... so, I bought breakfast and bait at New Dolphin and Betty & Nicks, gas at the Amoco on the way home, coffee in the morning at the Wawa, dinner sometimes at the Fuddruckers and on many occasions a few beers at the bar just outside the park... mow the businessman loses.

I also picked up everybody elses blue clam bags, took miles of other peoples mono off the beach, policed up coffee cups and pieces of netting.... always carried out more than I carried in..

Goodby Gov....lots of luck with the election.

[Cardshop]

If a 4X4 parade in Trenton would help, then count me in.

Tuna, I do the same things that you do, ie cleaning up the park. There's always a full bag of trash in my pickup when I leave the park (Not my trash). YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME WITH ME ANYTIME in 2004. Just let me know.