Brigantine some thoughts

[Phil 4s]

Just wanted to say a few words. We were backdoored by city council and pushed around by a few residents from a condo group that are used to having their way!! Make no bones about it, in spite of what was said the only issue was "Not on MY beach". I have to give them credit though, they are organized and we are NOT!! So the way things stand right now we have nothing and I would be willing to bet that the resolution that will be passed on Feb 18th will NOT solve the jetty issue to our liking. I will be there and if you are not don't come crying later. I still want to pursue this issue if we can get enough people involved. Remember that if the plan was voted on 2 weeks earlier it would have passed and I hope you don't forget who voted against it at the next election. We even had a council member call said condo comittee so they could come to town to protest. Oh yea by the way, I took a ride by the condo at sunup the morning after the vote and counted 6 cars present so I guess after the celebration they all went "HOME". I also liked the little presentation by the Mayor after we were done getting beat up about the 5 miles of beach we already have!! I would like to do some peaceful fishing on Sat July 10th at 10am and would like someone to give me directions to a beach in Brigantine where I can do this, and remember, I would like a spot where there is a possibality of some fish still being there. I also got a kick out of the woman in the Mink coat complaining about how 4wd access would disturb her beloved wildlife!! I also liked the comment about "why can't they carry their tackle". I guess it's plain to see that these people don't fish!! Maybe that's what we should do on July 4th weekend and cary our tackle to "THEIR" beach and do some fishing. It's an unprotected beach and unlawful to swim so we could call the Police and sign a complaint against anyone that tries to swim there. Just a few ideas to think about so what do you want to do? Phil

[NIGHTSTRIKES]

Phil,
Thanks For Your Thoughts,,,
and your effort on this fight..............
Yes, It Sounds Like The Millioniares and
Politicians Won This Battle....


I like the Idea of a Little GetTogether
and Protest Down There at the SurfLine
on that Weekend that these new rules go into
effect...Line our Equipment and Fishing
Rods Up,sit out some nasty smelling bait
and just basically do what we do....FISH>...
Maybe between the Websites we can get enough
people involved to make a Strong Statement....

You Can Count Me In for whatever you feel
like we should do about this....

Thanks Again,,,

[fisher224]

To try to fish at 10am from any beach in NJ on the 10th of July would be a waste of time anyway. First hour of daylight, last hour of daylight and all night long are the only times worth fishing the beach durring the summer months. Durring the day leave the beach to the surfers and baithers. Better yet skip the beach and go get muddy walking the sodbanks if you really want to catch fish in the summer. I would put my fishing crudentials up against anybody on these forums but I have thought the fishermen in the Brigantine case have been wrong on this issue from the beginning. I think the city has been more than accomidating to fishermen and surfers over there. Personally I think they should raise the price of the permits to the point that only the most dedicated surfers and fishermen would spend the money to get a permit. How about $350 per season? They should also cut the number of permits at least in half. :D

[SURF GHOST]

Fisher224, You sound like one of the Cloister Loser's That has a Skee Do & want's the beach to himself !! As Far as Credentials go I think you learned it all here on the Barn Being a Lurker.. tongue.gif You probably don't know what a Surf Pole is !!!!.. Guess this topic will bring out the LOSERS as well as the true fisherman !! tongue.gif By the way Hope you pay more for everything you do !!! Sounds like your'r real Bright !!!!.... :D ... SG

[FISH BUCKET]

fisher 224,stay on the damn mudbanks and off this site.leave this forum for real surf fishermen.
by the way,i got an old zebco that i'd be willing to sell you for $800.00

[fisher224]

So let me get this streight. If I don't agree with you I am not a true fisherman? Please define true fisherman for me. I fish 100 plus days a year, am a licensed charter captain, have worked in the tackle business and enjoy fishing the beach almost as much as I enjoy fishing my boat. I just don't agree with you, so I guess I'm not a true fisherman.
I only go up the the south jetty a couple of times a year and it is obvious what the problem is. Too many beach permits are being issued and too many vehicles are allowed on the beach at one time. Perhaps they should ban driving on the beach durring the summer months like every other sensible town on the coast.
I do agree with one thing and that is that they should open up the south end to parking on the street so people who want to can walk in.

[fisher224]

Double post

[ 02-15-2004, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: fisher224 ]

[rustyhook]

Fisher224
My time to get something straight. Your thought to increase the price of a permit to limit it to the elite. By doing this only those that can afford $350.00 for this beach will get on, alot of thought in that one. Many guys fish other beaches, both in and outside of NJ. I spend in excess of $500.00 in 4WD fees. I don't need an additional couple hundred tacked on.

Limit the privledge to a few by reducing the amount of permits. Great thought exept your thoughts are again elitist. I for one many years ago have stood in line on New Years day waiting to get my Brigantine pass when only 600 were issued. If work restricted you from getting there the first week you were screwed.

Maybe a limit to the number of boats allowed out the inlet or that are allowed to leave the dock on any given day because there are too many please boats or jet skies on the water would get your attention and change your thought process.

The issue of crowding is serious, the fishermen are being pushed from areas that have been their's for generations. To take from one user group for the intention of expanding anothers use is not right.

Maybe as a charter captain both your boat fees and license fees should be tripled that way you could force out a segment of people that are casual users or may not have the money. Better yet why not have you sign up every year for a limited amount of licenses to run charters or register your boat and if you were not in line to get one, sorry see you next year.

Would love to see your reaction being number 601 in line when only 600 are issued.

I don't think you thought this one out.

[fisher224]

I thought it out plenty. There are just way too many vehicles on that beach. Where things are that crowded there are going to be problems like there were last summer. That being said, there needs to be fewer vehicles on the beach. There are several ways this could be accomplished.

1. Raise the cost of the permits significantly. This would keep the beach open to vehicles but only those who are really into either surfing or fishing would be willing to pay the fee. In case you have not noticed there are alot of people out there with vehicles who neither fish nor surf, they are just too lazy to walk. If the Brigantine beach where my primary place to fish I would gladly pay $500 for the privilege.

2. Limit the number of permits say to 400 or 500 per year.

3. Make the south jetty off limits to vehicles durring the summer.

4. Limit the number of vehicles on the beach to say 25 at a time. This could be accomplished easily with a toll type gait. You drive up put your card in, if there are less than 25 vehicles out there the gate opens, if there are already 25 vehicles out there you have to wait until someone leaves. First come First served.

Finally parking must be allowed again in the south end of the island.

[SURF GHOST]

Boy Fisher224, Your a real "Clown" !!!!!! I don't believe your a Charter boat Capt. It's gotta be "BULL" If you were any kind of fisherman you wouldn't Be saying such STUPID Things !!! ---- :D -- "OK SHOW ME YOUR PETA CARD" !!!!!! You come in here like you got all the Answers but so far your looking like an "ASS----" HA! HA! HA! HA! -- :D -- By the way the Brooklyne Bridge can be bought again !!!--- You sound like a very perspective Buyer !!! ---- :D :D --- SG


PS Can you say LOSER !!! --- :D :D

[rustyhook]

Think you pegged him ghost.

[fshrwmn]

OMG were the heck did you's guys find this one.
he's so far out of line it's almost comical.
OooOooo I know..Iknow... He's a SURFER. :confused:
gotta be. thats it a surfer with a rich daddy.
a surfer with a rich daddy that owns a condo........uhmmmm let me think :rolleyes: ......in Brigantine...uhmmmm maybe near Brant Drive.
thats it I think I got it figured.
Whew I feel better now. ;)
Fisherman Aaahahahahhaha
thats funny :D :D :D

[fisher224]

Its no wonder you guys got your butts handed to you by the city council. You can't debate the topic or defeat my arguments. All you can do is resort to name calling.

About ten years ago I worked for a company in Absecon and Brigantine was the most convienient place for me to fish. At the time I did not own a 4x4 so I would park my car and walk in to fish. I was there several night a week after work for 2 seasons. It was not long after that that parking was banned in the neighborhood closest to the jetty. I still go back a couple of times a year but the place has been completely ruined by the crowds. Bottom line is that for anybody to be able to enjoy the area the crowds of people and vehicles need to be thinned out in the summer. Do any of you dispute this?

I think you guys are just running on emotion and can't reason about the issue. I don't have a horse in this race and could really care less what the outcome is for any of the groups involved. I am just an occasional visitor to Brigantine. I am looking at this objectively. There is definately a problem there with the crowds of people and vehicles that has been exasperated by a few bad apples. The geenie is out of the bottle, how do you fix the problems?

http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/m70857.jpg
Here is a scan of my license for those of you who think a "Real" fisherman could never disagree with you.

[ 02-15-2004, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: fisher224 ]

[SURF GHOST]

Fisher224, Print it smaller so I can see The Print !!! By The way Who's Name is on it I Can't Read It !!!-- Look !!! Surf -fisherman Or any Fisherman Should have a right to Maybe 3 or 4 blocks without bieng hasseled by Ski-Doo'S or Surfers. !!!! That's All were fighting for !!! Not the So. End Because once a Skidooer runs lines it's DONE !!! Get it !! We Just want a Beach to "FISH" !!!! Nothing more nothing less !!! Get it !!!... Man Get a Life !! --- PS. By the way the Bridge is still for sale !!! --- :D -- SG

[fisher224]

There is a ton of beach in Brigantine available to you without being bothered, probably more beach than any other town in South Jersey, all you have to do is walk to it or get up before the crowds get on it. None of your arguments hold water, its all emotion for you guys. The surfers and ski dooers as you call them could make the same argument to get rid of you. They just want a place to surf or ski-doo without getting hooked by fishing lines. You are going to have to come up with better logic than that. You will never win a battle before the city council with those kinds of arguments especially when the fishermen who are fighting the hardest are not locals while many of the council members and their families are regulars at the jetty (and they are not fishing).

[SURF GHOST]

Obviosly this CLOWN !!! Don't want nobody showing up for the Council Meeting this Wed. Night At 5:30 !!!! Wonder why ?????--- :D --- SG

[fisher224]

As I said before I don't have a horse in this race.

[FISH BUCKET]

no horse in this race?i'll bet you do.your no dis-
interested bystander.your most likely a puppet for our opposition.see you at the council meeting?
i doubt it.

[fisher224]

I've been called alot of names by guys who don't have an original idea in their heads. I am still waiting for someone to give some realistic ideas of how to solve the problems a the south jetty.

[Bridge Kid]

[ 02-16-2004, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Bridge Kid ]

[Bridge Kid]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bridge Kid:
[qb] I was also called an ass for stating my opinion...fisher2424 i wonder why they got shot down....Yall act like raving lunatics..cant u debate civily....surf ghost..i thought u were a veteran..u served for this country??dayum....u sound like the as*hole..Just face reality man an stop actin like a tuff guy...cuz u aint ...Dont mean to cause a war but man yall some grown ass people..actin like u 10 dawg..u needa chill..Yall got angry cause u cant OWN that part of the beach...face the facts bro...i dont think its right yall got shot down..but now i see ur true colaz

[ 02-16-2004, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: Bridge Kid ]

[FISH BUCKET]

fisher224,read the posts since this issue began and you'll see it has been thought out.solutiopns have been offered.we thought council was going to pass the resolution in our favor till the very last minute.politicians will stab you in the back for votes!

[Phil 4s]

Well here we go again. fisher224 I guess either you missed the point or you haven't been following this thing from the beginning.The only thing we are trying to do is get a beach in Brigantine where we can fish and be left alone. It really doesn't matter where it is just so long as we can enjoy what we love to do. I don't enjoy being run over by surfers, jet skies, boats or any other kind of distraction that gets between me and the soothing sound of the surf. As a true surf fisherman I love to have my coffee with a rod in my hand and a beautiful sunrise or sunset doing it's thing. Sodbanks and bridges or jettys just don't do it for me. I also have a problem with unsupervised rug rats whos parents seem to think you shouldn't be throwing hooks around their little darlings as they run and splash around where you have been fishing since 3am who assume yoy are in their spot. As a fisherman you should be able to understand this and realise that fish are just a bonus and being there is what it's all about. The main problem is that we worked on this all winter and asked anyone that had a suggestion to get involved and help us with a solution and no one seemed to care. We really thought we had a good plan and were led to believe that it would work only to be backdoored by council and a few out of town condo owners that assume that they own the beach. They would not even return our calls when we found out they were upset and tried to work out a solution. If I didn't love the beach so much I guess I would do what you did and buy a boat. I hope this will help you better understand what we are trying to do and why we are upset about what happened.I see you are from the area so if you have any suggestions or see anything wrong with what we are trying to do please let me know. Phil

[SURF GHOST]

Bridgkid, Speak the English language Please !!! Now that said I'm not POed !!! far to the Contrary I'm just a little upset that we are only looking for a spot we been fishing for years to be Hassel Free !!! Nothing more Nothing Less !!! As far as the Tuff Guy thing goes, Your right I'm No Tough Guy !!! ;) You can always state your Opinion to me & others,but to pay more than $150.00 for a permit ???? Go ahead & pay My share !!! Also If you ever got the Notice in the Mail that Said "GREETING's" Please Report To !!! Dito Dito !!! You would know that if I was put in a position to fight for that sand, I would & Soooooooo My Rapping speaking friend I'm defending this little PC. of BEACH WE Fish !!!! ---- tongue.gif :D --- SG

[fisher224]

I think the permit should be in the $300 to $500 range. That would eliminate alot of the crap that goes on down there on all sides of the equasion. Alot of the punk kids would not pay that much and alot of the jetskiers and fishermen would not pay it. Only the people who appreciate the priviledge the most would be out there. Perhaps there should be a separate much lower rate for residents of Brigantine or Atlantic County. Actually, now that I think about it, it should be high for everyone.

[Kenwood]

I think your wrong about raising the fee to keep non-serious beach people out. The picknickers driving their new SUV's will still get the permits because they are so lazy they won't walk. The only people who won't are the ones who's income doesn't apparently match yours, you must be rich since your willing to pay $500 for your premit.Limit the time you can get a permit, then all the late bloomer will not get on. Less 4 wheels and people all in one shot.The weekenders will be out of luck. The serious one's will get their permits at the START of the season like I do.

[Bridge Kid]

im the rappin fisherman...lol...sorry I didnt mean to come off like a di*k

[canyon caster]

Phil you have a legit case on your hands , but unfortunately its a money thing like anything else ..

years ago you can go by the saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease , but now Everything is so political, especially in the area of snob ville ... I like that ... My Beach.. just like they ever had sand in thier shoes ... all they do is walk out on their balconys and call police , I feel your pain.. I can see this some martini sippin nit wit will go swimming in an area marked " unprotected " something will happen then the city of Brigatine will be slapped with a lawsuit , then all fees will be raised , I wouldn't put it past them to sue the city for the rights to ban the 4wd acess.. since they have money to do so... I enjoyed fishing in Brigatine with you ,Ghost ,Rusty Hook, NJ Fisher .... I hope it doesn't come down to this ....

[ 02-18-2004, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: canyon caster ]

[fisher224]

It probably will come down to that. As I said before the geenie has been let out of the bottle all because of a few dickhead surfers and fishermen. I have seen it get worse and worse there over the last ten years. They need to do something to seriously limit the number of vehicles on that beach in the summer. That is the only thing that will stop the problem. Perhaps a pair of piping plovers will be discovered at the south jetty this spring. Does anybody know the number for the PPRP (The Piping Plover Relocation Program).

[canyon caster]

Originally posted by fisher224:
Does anybody know the number for the PPRP (The Piping Plover Relocation Program). bring some of those Fortescue felines down , I'm sure those cats will relocate them... ;) The Crocodile hunter won't even mess with them, but watch your bait and fish when they are on the prowl...

[one eye willy]

Originally posted by fisher224:
I think the permit should be in the $300 to $500 range. That would eliminate alot of the crap that goes on down there on all sides of the equasion. Alot of the punk kids would not pay that much and alot of the jetskiers and fishermen would not pay it. Only the people who appreciate the priviledge the most would be out there. Perhaps there should be a separate much lower rate for residents of Brigantine or Atlantic County. Actually, now that I think about it, it should be high for everyone. You still seem to be missing the point, The town of brig. in it's infanite wisdom designated a section of beach(not the s.jetty)For surf fishing because the north end is closed most of the summer. but they wanted to put in acsess only a local condo group put a stop to it. the beach is still designated for fishing only(no swimming!) there is one problem, NO way to acsess EVEN by foot due to no parking. since 4x4 acess has been denied the parking ban should be lifted. as far as raiseing the rates for permits, get a life all the yuppys who have moved onto the island in the last few years will still buy a permit rather than walking to the beach and the "punk kid's" will still have Daddy buy them their pass no matter what the cost. ;)

[Sergeant Slough]

The first thing that should be examined when different users are in conflict over real estate is historical usage. If we were to apply this to the over-sand vehicle permit system and the general situation in Brigantine, some user groups would be impacted.

Let's try a few on for size . . .

Launching of mechanically powered personal watercraft from a trailer registered by the DOT of a state . . . prohibited except at approved ramps.

Beaching of powered watercraft by permit only. No massive parking lots of boats in the Lagoon area. Ya wanna be on the sand with your "vehicle?" BUY A PERMIT!

Restrict the privilege of having a vehicle on the beach to historical usage criteria; make the permit a "Mobile Sportfishing Vehicle Permit." One must be actively engaged in fishing to have a vehicle on the beach. WE were the original users!

A "secondary use" stamp can be bought at additional cost for other usages; these permits would be the ones limited in number and shall be applied for in advance of purchasing the MSV permit.

I realize this proposal would stop the generator powered, television watching, one trash can every 1/4 mile overflowing with beer bottles drunken tire spinning Jeep CJ "summer fun" of some.

It's a cost I'm willing to live with.

[ 02-18-2004, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Sergeant Slough ]

[fisher224]

I know in Ocean City there is a part of the permit ordinance that requires you to be actively fishing. Many over there get around this by putting a rod in a rodholder on the truck and then going and doing as they please.

[one eye willy]

Originally posted by fisher224:
[qb] I know in Ocean City there is a part of the permit ordinance that requires you to be actively fishing. Many over there get around this by putting a rod in a rodholder on the truck and then going and doing as they please. [/qbThey do the same thing down Del. ;)

[ 02-18-2004, 09:12 PM: Message edited by: one eye willy ]

[SURF GHOST]

"Boo"---- Still got that Bridge for sale !!!-- :D I Think Fisher224, you should call the IRS & tell them to keep your check as you don't feel your paying Enough !!! --- :D I Think Sargent Slough maybe on to something !!! Nice to hear different thought's other than Let's up the Price for the Permit !!! Thanx Sarge for something different !!!! --- Kudos !!! -- (landing of the Boats,Bringing your trailer to the Cove )--- Nice !!---- :D -- SG

[Phil 4s]

fisher224, I want to thank you for your comment as I am one of those few d!@khead fishermen. I've always worked under the opinion that if you don't have something useful to say just keep your mouth shut!!! I won't go any further but I assume you get the point!! I want to thank some of the guys for some useful ideas and we will take some of them a step further. As this IS a surf forum I came here for some ideas but it seems that everytime I do this we have more nit-wits crawing out from under rocks than we do surf fishermen. I'm not sure I will be here again as there really doesn't seem to be a lot of real surf fishermen here any longer. To those of you that are I hope I haven't offended anyone. To those of you that are not please go somewhere else and GET A LIFE! phil

[fisher224]

That is the truth of the situation. This whole problem arose because of a few dickhead surfers and a few dickhead fishermen. Unfortunately in only takes a couple of bad apples to spoil the whole applecart. I am sorry to hear that you were one of the fishermen causing the problem. Hopefully everyone will not lose their priviledges because of the actions of a few bad apples.

[fisher224]

PS I am sorry to hear that you are so closed minded that you think anybody who dissagrees with you or does not havethe same views as you is not a "true" fisherman.

[Brigjetty2]

Where are the moderators on this post? Don't you think enough finger pointing has been done? Shut this post down and stop the let's see who can get in the last word. Like a bunch of little kids.

[BEACHBASSARD]

I HEARD THAT! ALL THIS IS JUST FUELING THE FIRE.
AND NOTHING WLII COME FROM IT.
:confused:

[castindeep2]

I have been in New Jersey for three years and have fished my whole life up and down the east coast. I have fished Brigantine for three years and I have met some great guys out there. I do agree on one issue with that 224 guy there are way to many trucks and boats on the beach in the summer I don't think they should raise the price because people like myself could'nt afford it I think 150 is hard to swallow. You all should feel lucky down in Chincoteague VA they only allow 45 trucks on the beach in the winter and 18 in the summer. The permit is 100 dollars and they have three times the beach! I think they need to limit the amount of trucks on the beach an the Brigantine police need to do more patrols I have seen alot of things go on over there that shouldn't be happening example Dogs,drinking assholes doing donuts on the beach and such I have seen it on the south side near the bridge where the cars are like three deep come on people something needs to change. I am totally with you guys and I support you I have read all the post and I know what has been happening over there and yes the rich are winning. Sorry it's such a long post.

[SURF GHOST]

Originally posted by Brigjetty2:
Where are the moderators on this post? Don't you think enough finger pointing has been done? Shut this post down and stop the let's see who can get in the last word. Like a bunch of little kids. Welcome Brigjetty2 !!!-- :D --- Maybe you can Sell fisher224 a life !!!! -- Cause he seems to be Searching real hard for one !!!--- :D -- SG

[Eric G]

Al right, the name calling/direct attacks will stop right now or the posting priviledges of the few will be pulled and the thread locked up.

While it's good to debate and the issue goes to the root of "soul" of surf fishing, I'm going leave the thread open for now. I too feel the cost of permits are rising way outta line. From what I understand other shore communities are watching the Brigatine issue and how it will be handled.

Tread/drive carefully guys, on both sides of the issue...

Has anyone solicited NJBBA, JCAA, ASAC and RFA-NJ for support???

[ 02-20-2004, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: Eric G ]

[DELANGLER]

Has anyone solicited NJBBA, JCAA, ASAC and RFA-NJ for support???
ASAC is aware of, has participated in, and will continue to monitor this issue.

[canyon caster]

SG ,

In all do respect the name calling and fighting is not doing any justice, basically put, the council will not look in the eyes of the fishermen , ( which we are) Now here is the truth ....

How many people buy 4WD Permits ? How many of those permit holders are " FULL TIME RESIDENTS" of Brigatine ?? maybe 2%? the other 98% are split up from NY,PA , DE, and other counties in NJ and other states , as you and I know Brigatine has a good productive fishery,along the beaches , And the city knows it .... here is a political check.. suppose you catch the NJ State record bass ( beat Al McReynolds ) who do you think the first person that will be there for the Photo shoot???? Every coucil member including the mayor .... they wouldn't care if you were living in Nebraska they want the popularity and the lime light light like any other "pretty boy " What would happen if the Casinos were to shut Tomm???? If that were the case nobody would care about Briigatine .... and the political members would leave , watch and see how many people would sell their properties??


As for the wave runners , they should not be allowed to lauch them witg iut s \on the beach, Face it with all the money that Brigatine gets between the 4WD permits, and tax payers pay (Even if they live out of state )is through the roof I would take this to the public (Chanel 3, 6, 10..) state your case and make the mayor choke on his dinner This is my opimon

[beachball]

I'm disapointed with the attacks going back and forth on this subject. From my perspective there have been good points on both sides, but obviously, nothing close to agreement, which could lead to changes.
I've fished at Brigantine from 1966 through '85, and returned in 2001 with the purchase of a summer home. Until last year I was a walk on to fish the beaches. The truest statement made by anyone is there are just too many permits being issued, and adding more 4WD beach isn't going to solve that problem. Maybe this won't help, but rather than raise the rates excessively, or establish limits, I could support a two permit system that would look like this:
1) June 15 through Sept 15 - 10 AM to 6 PM - all use permit (same rules as today) raise the rate and establish a lower limit.
2) June 15 through Sept 15 - 6 PM to 10 AM (and 24 hr. for remainder of year)- Active fishing or surfing only permitted. No limit and lower the rate.
Before you raise the objection about including surfers, I don't think fishermen and surfers would have a problem with this, The problem arises from the pressure for space put on by the Lexus and similar SUV's having picnicks.

[SURF GHOST]

CC --- What are we saying here ??? I Must be losing something ??? -- :confused: --- SG

[canyon caster]

SG ,

What I was trying to say , of all the permits sold ,how many of them are year round residents of Brigatine, vs how many are fishermen from outside of Brigatine ? Just because the fishermen do not live there doesn't mean they do not have a right to be heard in my opinion. As you know in politics they can change the rules any given time to accomidate themselves. Since you and many others are fishermen from NY - DE are paying premium prices for tags at Brigatine I believe you should be heard, besides the permits, you buy from the local B&T shops.

In my opinion the only reason Brigatine is sooo Snobby is because the town is in close proximity of the casinos.. if it wasn't for the casinos attracting people to Brigatine, Brigatine would be like a desert like wildwood,especially this time of the year , I don't know the actual stats , but I bet more than Half of Brigatine are not year round residents...so do they get to vote?? Since their PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS NOT IN BRIGATINE??? Then they should get treated like us ...NO SAY!!! right?? just something to think about ..

The fishermen should get to be heard also no matter where your residence is , if it wasn't for the fishermans contribution to the Bait stores , buying 4WD permits , telling others how great it is to fish brigatine and bringing in more personel to purchase 4WD permits, and word of mouth to lure more vacationers in, the city should be a little more conciderate to you guys , this is the exact thing they are over looking.. and its ashame but someone has to open their eyes I fell if you are a contributer (like a stock holder ) you have a say as well ..

As for the jet skiers they should be lauched at the local Marina ( like any other boat) not on the beach!!

Thats my opinion

[ 02-24-2004, 12:33 AM: Message edited by: canyon caster ]

[SURF GHOST]

CC, Understood !!!.. :D .. SG

[coal cracker]

Its always abought votes.

[FISH BUCKET]

Eric G,njbba has attended the council meetings and will continue to lend its support to this issue.

[ 02-24-2004, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: FISH BUCKET ]

[Eric G]

Bucket -

I knew NJBBA would be represented, but had to ask. The power is in groups representing fishermen activities. Individually we are mute. Thanks.

[SURF GHOST]

HA!HA! Yo !! Ron " Click" THE Bulb is lit !!!! Yo Brigjetty Where are You & Brigjetty2 ,You Too ???
Phil E-Mail Me !!!
NJFisher U too !! Along with all you guys !!! --- Thanx SG

[ 02-26-2004, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: SURF GHOST ]

[mericanwit]

Fellas,
Greetings... A rather touchy subject but I was just curious to know as to what Brig is charging for the 2004 season permit?

Thanks...

[BEACHBASSARD]

NOTHING

[NIGHTSTRIKES]

Originally posted by mericanwit:
Fellas,
Greetings... A rather touchy subject but I was just curious to know as to what Brig is charging for the 2004 season permit?

Thanks... MericanWit,
The Cost This Year is $150.00.
$75.00 For Senior Citizens.....

[mericanwit]

Nightstrikes,
Thanks for the info... Greatly appreciated.

BBassard,
Thanks for the info... Greatly appreciated.

The only reason as to why I asked is that I finally recovered from the massive amount of deep tissues woounds I recieved from the wonderfuly abundant G****heads from 2 seasons ago.... tongue.gif And knowing that everything is going up in price, I figured that the city of Brig adjusted the cost of the permits accordingly...

Thanks again...

[BEACHBASSARD]

AS ALLWAYS THE GR#$@ HEAD BITES ARE FREE

[Phil 4s]

Just thought I would throw this in. At a previous council meeting it was stated that they are going to be doing beach replunishment this fall at the North end and the last time they did that they closed down 4wd access and you could not fish the whole North end. You might want to think about that before you pick up that $150 beach permit. Phil

[BEACHBASSARD]

YEA I REMEMBER THAT.
CLOESED FOR ABOUT 6 TO 8 WEEKS I THINK IT WAS FROM MID JAN TO ERALY MARCH.
STILL WAS NOT BAD AS THE PLOVER CLOESINGS.

[mericanwit]

Phil4s, BBassard,
As always thanks for the info... Sorry for the frustration... But it just seems that every fall there's always some prime surf fishing spot, either Holgate or Brig that has some issue hanging over it...
Anyway, again thanks for the info!