Proposed 2006-2007 Striper Regulations

[Wet Net]

> The proposed changes for the 2006-2007 Fish Code will be officially
> published in the NJ Register on Monday, August 15, but are now
> available for review on the Division's website. The comment period
> closes on October 14. We encourage all anglers to review the code and
> submit written comments, as well as to attend the public hearing
> scheduled for September 13 at Assunpink WMA.
>
> The proposed changes are in PDF format which requires the Acrobat
> Reader to view and print. The direct link is
> http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/pdf/2005/fishcode_proposal06-07.pdf
> and the Official Notice is at
> http://www.nj.gov/dep/rules/notices/081505c.htm.

[LONEWOLF856]

ITS ABOUT TIME THEY FINALY STARTED GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THE 24-28 SLOT FISH STILL HAS TO GO.I DONOT UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING A FISH THAT HAS NOT HAD THE CHANCE TO BREED EVEN ONCE!!! :mad:
LONEWOLF856

[cam]

Originally posted by LONEWOLF856:
ITS ABOUT TIME THEY FINALY STARTED GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THE 24-28 SLOT FISH STILL HAS TO GO.I DONOT UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING A FISH THAT HAS NOT HAD THE CHANCE TO BREED EVEN ONCE!!! :mad:
LONEWOLF856 What are you talking about? Nothing changed. The only thing they did was increase the size limit for HYBRID stripers. "Pure strain" stripers, as they term them, are still 2 fish, one 24-28" and one 34"+. And the purpose of having the slots is to keep people's interest. 34" bass aren't the most common fish in the sea. How many times do you think people will go fishing w/out being able to keep anything before they begin to lose interest??? Not to mention that if the population is strong, which it is, why have overly-strict regulations?

[ 08-17-2005, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: RodFather ]

[dante413]

Here's something else of interest:


Change in bass rules dependent on research
Published in the Asbury Park Press 08/17/05



The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission's striped bass management board will meet at 11:30 a.m. on Thursday, and the fate of New Jersey's striped bass regulations in the months ahead may rest on the information made public.
Assemblyman Robert Smith, D-Gloucester, the architect of the present striped bass law in New Jersey, said he is willing to seek a change if data released Thursday shows that the bass stocks are stable or increasing.

If, on the other hand, scientific research indicates that the stocks are declining, then the legislation might have to be more restrictive.

The majority of the striper anglers who responded to a Recreational Fishing Alliance survey revealed they want two striped bass at 28 inches and above. The Jersey Coast Anglers Association is also on record as in favor of two fish at 28 inches and above.

Greg Hueth, a spokesman for the Shark River Surf Anglers and a supporter of two fish at 28 inches and up, said a lot of bass fishermen are anxious to see what happens at Thursday's ASMFC board meeting.

"I am looking forward to hearing what the biologists have to say about the stocks," he said. "We believe the stocks are healthy, and there are plenty of fish around, but we'll see what the scientists have to say."

[cam]

Two at 28" and up would be fine IMO. But I wouldn't go higher than that. I still like the idea for having summer regulations though where you can keep one 20"+ (I forget who's idea it was). There are so many resident shorts around, a lower keep size for the summer would keep the striper industry strong throughout the "offseason", and ultimately bring a lot more $$$ in to our shore towns.


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[ 08-17-2005, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: RodFather ]

[LONEWOLF856]

i'm concerned with the long term sucess of thease fish.i would like to see them as common as blues in the surf.i still cannot go to the store and buy a couple pounds of striper. so how can they say the stocks are in good shape? every time we keep a slot,we are also taking the future generations of fish that would have been produced.
if they determine that the breeding starts at lets say 30 or 32 0r 36 it dosenot matter. once a strong base has been established there will be plenty for everyone.if, you give them a chance to grow.
:rolleyes: lonewolf856

[ 08-18-2005, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: LONEWOLF856 ]

[Partnership]

LW856-
seems like a double edged sword

we need to release the big fish b/c they are the spawners and release a ton of eggs and they are the ones who keep the population going

then we need to release the shorter fish b/c they are the ones who get to grow up and become the bigger fish who are the spawners- who keep the population going......

It's a tough issue....one that's been batted around here for years. As a bay fisherman- I could care less about the slot fish personally. But I feel for the guy who is confined to land, who fishes the back bay, who bangs the bridges, who fishes out of The Fort, who goes on a headboat in the rips- these are the guys who benefit from the slottie size.

I really liked the one slot and one over 28. I feel it gave everyone a taste and also helped preserve the larger breeders. Who knows?

[Bob ECT]

Guys they haven't released the assessment data yet. Any future NJ changes will be based on that.

If this years data continues like the last few years 2 at 28 will no longer be the coastwide regs.

[striper2278]

Personally, I like the slot fish! It's good for what we do.(Bucktail) If ya aske me...I'd like to see one fish at 24" and under 28" and one fish at 28" and above. Keep it at that forever!

[CaptG]

I'm w/ you guys! There was absolutely nothing wrong w/ the old regs of one under 28 one over, except the it should be one under 28, not 24-28! There are allready too many slot and under sized fish in the back bays. Two over 28" over protects the runts and kills too many breeders.

[NJAngler Bill]

Guys, Bob ECT is right. Let's not get crazy yet. It's all mute until the stock assessment comes out. That will drive everything. One thing that is pretty certain is that regulations aren't likely to be relaxed in 2006.

[Mddletown]

Seems like those rules are for stripers in the Delaware river since marine regs are already set.

[IgotWORMS]

I did a report on stripers last year. I was suprised to find that something like 96.4% of fish over 32" and 99.7% of fish over 34" females. This means that odds are the fish at 24 - 28" is a male, which when looked at it that way is not so horrible as to taking alot of females. Just some of my findings.

[freedom]

Originally posted by IgotWORMS:
I did a report on stripers last year. I was suprised to find that something like 96.4% of fish over 32" and 99.7% of fish over 34" females. This means that odds are the fish at 24 - 28" is a male, which when looked at it that way is not so horrible as to taking alot of females. Just some of my findings. interesting study

[freedom]

Originally posted by cam:
Two at 28" and up would be fine IMO. But I wouldn't go higher than that. I still like the idea for having summer regulations though where you can keep one 20"+ (I forget who's idea it was). There are so many resident shorts around, a lower keep size for the summer would keep the striper industry strong throughout the "offseason", and ultimately bring a lot more $$$ in to our shore towns.


your 100% rigth a summer fish would be a shot in the arm for all! and would take pressure off other fish no dought

freedom

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[ 08-18-2005, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: freedom ]

[TI Guys]

Originally posted by IgotWORMS:
I did a report on stripers last year. I was suprised to find that something like 96.4% of fish over 32" and 99.7% of fish over 34" females. This means that odds are the fish at 24 - 28" is a male, which when looked at it that way is not so horrible as to taking alot of females. Just some of my findings. Actually all that data says is that the larger fish are females. Females need to grow through the slot range to reach the larger sizes so the percentage of either sex in that range will determine the catch ratio.

[ 08-18-2005, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: TI Guys ]

[freedom]

Originally posted by Partnership:
LW856-
seems like a double edged sword

we need to release the big fish b/c they are the spawners and release a ton of eggs and they are the ones who keep the population going

then we need to release the shorter fish b/c they are the ones who get to grow up and become the bigger fish who are the spawners- who keep the population going......

It's a tough issue....one that's been batted around here for years. As a bay fisherman- I could care less about the slot fish personally. But I feel for the guy who is confined to land, who fishes the back bay, who bangs the bridges, who fishes out of The Fort, who goes on a headboat in the rips- these are the guys who benefit from the slottie size.

I really liked the one slot and one over 28. I feel it gave everyone a taste and also helped preserve the larger breeders. Who knows? way true ! i belive thats why we went to the meetings and spoke our minds..

freedom ots.

[LONEWOLF856]

please,look farther out.once a strong base has been established the possabilities become endless!!! at that point,you can add a rule or open the season up.example; from memorial day to labor day 20 inches and up 5 fish limit or what ever number the gurus establish.
and yes folks i am one of those guys who works the surf and bridges exclusively.when i go out on the head boats in the fall.i bring the little ones with me.(not just the future generations of fish but also fisherman and women)for me its 200,plus,plus.(kinda funny,i pay charter price for head boat service.)so please LOOK FARTHER OUT!

[freedom]

the state striper boilgist said that the slot fish was the best way to save the fish for years to come. so it was a no brianer,it had two fold benfits it also let the back bay land base anglers have a taste too... hance the slot fish

it's always been said, if it's not broke don't fix it. with stocks @ historic "high" levles, why play with mother nature ? be thankful for what we have, don't push her
freedom ots.

[NJAngler Bill]

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" You got it!

Lonewolf, I don't think what you're asking for...having stripers be as common as bluefish...is possible, or even natural. Right now these fish are approaching their historical "high level", and our goal should be to maintain the stock in a healthy fashion.

[Partnership]

Lonewolf- the only problem is when I look "farther out"- I see a big ocean full of stripers that we're not allowed to catch or even fish for- past three miles that is.

So actually- all sizes are protected out there.

My view- stocks are high- fish seem relatively healthy- something must be working- keep the status quo. The striped bass management program should be the model for all other fisheries. They finally have one that works- why mess with it.

Truthfully- some days it seems as though the stripers ARE as thick as bluefish.

[ 08-19-2005, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: Partnership ]

[JusGetOnDaHook]

here we go again

[seabear]

Addendum I to Amendment VI was discussed at the Striped Bass Board yesterday. Amendment VI to the ISFMP for Atlantic Striped Bass requires the Striped Bass Management Board to develope a mandatory data collection program. This program is designed to increase the accuracy of data on striped bass discards from the commercial and recreational fisheries. Concerning the stock assessment, we are still waiting for the results of the stock assessment. Hopefully, we will have them when the Board meets the 1st week of November. Incidentally, the ASMFC will be meeting at the Seaview Marriot in Galloway Twp. from Oct. 31, 2005 thru Nov. 3, 2005

[stripedfever]

I only keep the gay fish, that way I'm guaranteed not to kill a breeder !! ;) :D smile.gif

[LONEWOLF856]

ok,so we have moved from the trama center to icu.
i admit that.but that is still not considered HEALTHY!!! if the the stock was healthy,there would be an eight to ten fish limit on them.the commercial boats would be fishing for them.you would be able to go the the store and buy a few pounds.a two fish limit is not a smooth running engine to me.and obviously there are some parts that are still broken.(slot fish not given a chance to breed)
so, to be satisfied with the current conditions we are really giving ourselfs very low expectations.i want it to be better than this.
lonewolf856 smile.gif

[LONEWOLF856]

ok,so we have moved from the trama center to icu.
i admit that.but that is still not considered HEALTHY!!! if the the stock was healthy,there would be an eight to ten fish limit on them.the commercial boats would be fishing for them.you would be able to go the the store and buy a few pounds.a two fish limit is not a smooth running engine to me.and obviously there are some parts that are still broken.(slot fish not given a chance to breed)
so, to be satisfied with the current conditions we are really giving ourselfs very low expectations.i want it to be better than this.
lonewolf856 smile.gif

[ 08-20-2005, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: LONEWOLF856 ]

[cam]

Lonewolf,
Have you considered the possibility that bass populations aren't meant to be high in nature? You say that you'd like to see there be as many bass as blues. Well, are there as many bears as deer? No, and for good reason. Maybe, just maybe, the population is MEANT to be this way. Maybe if the population was higher there wouldn't be enough food to support the bass AND all of the other species. Ever take that into consideration? I doubt it. So please just stop telling us all how bad the population is, and how we're making it worse by keeping fish that QUALIFIED SCIENTISTS tell us we can keep (what do YOU do by the way?), and just either fish or stay off the beach...

[NJAngler Bill]

we could have an ocean overrun with stripers and we'll never see an 8 fish limit on them.