POWERPRO BREAKOFF

[Keyman]

Fished D-Bay yesterday for trophy stripers and possible drum fish abroad the Bunkerhead. Had two break offs with powerpro. One was on my line which was spooled this season and the other was on my son's rod whose line was new last season. Both times line broke on hard hook sets. Have used PP now for three years and never had this problem. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Who knows what could've been because large stripers were boated. Should I re-spool at least one year line? Don't think it was because on forget-me knots.

[LunchMan]

I had the same problem 2 years ago,I will never use the stuff again.
If you must use a braid I would go with the Spider line I have yet to have a problem with it

[Captn Joe]

Keyman,
we have discussed this before on the Offshore Forum. I too, have discovered multiple "BAD" spots on PP line, as I was spooling the line on my reel.

As a habit, I let all line run between my fingers while I spool a reel. When putting on some new PP line I felt a funny spot. The Power Pro visably looked funny and with a slight pull, the line easily parted.

I feel there is some type of mistake being done when the line is being manufactured.

I simply tie the line back to gether with a Uni to Uni knot, and fish it that way, that knot is 100% in the line as far as I can tell.

I am ready to try other manufacturers lines,
I no longer trust Power Pro.
Captn Joe

[LOST A ROD]

WHAT WAS YOUR LB. TEST THAT YOU WERE USING? DID YOU BUY BULK SPOOL OR FILLER ????DID YOU FEEL LITTLE BUMP IN LINE WHEN PUTTING ON THE LINE-IF SO IT WAS WHERE THEY JOINED THE LINE-"KNOT". ......I SWITCH TO SPIDERWIRE STEALTH 50 TO 65 LB TEST LINE DOES NOT BREAK AND I CAN LOCOK UP THE DRAG AND PUT RODS IN ROD HOLDER.I ASLO USE HI-VIS LINE SO I CAN SEE IT IN LO LIGHT CONDITIONS.FLUROCARBON LEADER IN 50 TO 80 LB TEST!!!!

[Captn Joe]

Lost Rod,
It happened on two different spools, same day, spools were purchased way seperately. (different states and a year apart)
30 Lb and 60lb I believe it was, I generally buy the 300 yard spools.
I am thinking of trying the Dupont Stren product.

To have that line fail brand new, for what you pay for it, is a sin.
Captn Joe

[BigSexy]

You have to be really careful with power pro. Re tie knots often and if the line get a little fray it becomes the test of whatever diameter it is. Pull of ten feet everyso often to avoid frays from dragging on the boat rail or anything rubbing on it during transport. Also watch storing your hook on a guide, if the hook scars the guide every time the line hits it there is a chance for a fray. I use it on my light tackle stuff and ever since I have been following these guidelines I haven't had a problem

[bass ackwards]

I stopped using pp about a year ago had same problem with breakoffs. I also like the stealth. I just spooled my line with suffix superbraid. So far it has worked really well and it doesnt bind at all in the spool and doesnt flatten out like pp.

[gandy dancer]

cant stand the stuff.. had 5 break offs one year but everyone swore by it so i stuck to it.. my 6th i switched to fireline and will never go back....

[Mullica Bob]

When used correctly PP is MORE than adequate.

I have been fishing with it for a few years and have never had any failure of any kind from the PP.

When used correctly PP is more than adequate.

Correctly used PP is more than adequate.

Used correctly PP is more than adequate.

PP correctly used is more than adequate.

:D ;) :D ;) :D ;) :D ;)

[Keyman]

Line test is 50lbs. and line was tied with palomar knot to spro swivel with 40lbs fluro leader. The only thing that was different was that I usually use a small bead between the fish finder rig and the swivel (Didn't is time). Maybe the line got pinched some how. I'm going to re-tie all knots and check line before next trip. Three stikes and it will be out!

[TWIN D'S]

The one time I had a problem with PP I searched and searched and ultimately found an oh so small, barely visible, crack in a ceramic guide that was fraying the PP. Any nick, scratch, crack etc in any guide or line bail on a spinning reel will ruin your PP. Check your equipment carefully. BTW I'm talking 50lb PP.

[Victory At Sea]

2 Ds is right Iv'e seen it happen with the guides.
You guys better check your ugly Sticks :D :D

[Victory At Sea]

Oh I just saw palomer knot was used, No kidding they are bad for braided line. There is a great knot diagramed in the PP pack. ... The Uniknot

[ 05-21-2006, 08:50 PM: Message edited by: Victory At Sea ]

[Mullica Bob]

The truth shall set us free................ :confused:

[luv2fish]

PP cost me 2 fish saturday, on major runs, broke at knot both times, changed spools to 25lb mono, and didn't loose any more on that rod. Both breaks happened during fishes first run after hookset. Does pp eat its own knots under quick jerks? Knots were polomar, and uni.

[Basil]

If your spectra is breaking at the knot, what could be happening is even though you may have cinched the knot down, it is slipping under load and burning itself off. Try applying a drop of superglue to your knot next time.

This is what is happening, and also how you can prove it to yourself. You tie a knot and find the spectra breaking under its rating. Re-tie your knot, but this time use a laundry marker and color the standing line immediately above the knot, right up to the knot itself. Now break the line again. What I am sure you'll find is this: On the standing line, above the marked area, there will be an inch or two of clean unmarked spectra before the break. What's happening is that as you apply pressure, the knot actually slips and the line burns itself off. I have repeated this test many times. The answer is to simply apply one drop of superglue to your knot. let it soak in for a second. Now try to break it again and you'll see the strength go way up to test. The knot will not slip and burn itself off.

Basil Pappas
BHP Tackle

[Brian E. Mullaney]

I use power pro and uni knt - never had a breakoff

[Striper101]

I have to agree with Brian, I've been using it for 6 years now and never had a problem with it at all! And I've found that the Uni knot works best for me.

[CAPTKIRK]

With practically no stretch, you might want to do away with those TV hooksets. I would also "TEST" your knots and make sure they are properly cinched.(love the uni). I've been using PP for years and love the stuff.

[Tunachunker]

I have been using powerpro for about 6 or 7 years. The only breakoffs I've experianced are on the hookset, and it strangely breaks were the line meets the water! This occurs when I'm fishing in deep water {Old Grounds} and I'm using 50lb. test. I've noticed this only occured frequently on what I believe was a bad batch, { 300yd. spool}.I've since been buying the large bulk spools and have had no strange breakoffs. I kinda have a love\hate relationship with it.

[striper2278]

Originally posted by Keyman:
Fished D-Bay yesterday for trophy stripers and possible drum fish abroad the Bunkerhead. Had two break offs with powerpro. One was on my line which was spooled this season and the other was on my son's rod whose line was new last season. Both times line broke on hard hook sets. Have used PP now for three years and never had this problem. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Who knows what could've been because large stripers were boated. Should I re-spool at least one year line? Don't think it was because on forget-me knots. Dennis,

Try adding about 4-5' of regular mono to the end of the braid...you'll still have all that senstivity your looking for, but when the hook is set, alot of the shock will be softend. Also, don't know what your line could have been knicked on, but that does happen...and braid can be knicked very easily!

Hope this helps! ;)

[2dogs]

I use power pro and have had a couple of breakoffs. Here is my WAG... mine occured fishing a fishfinder rig for bass. I think when you cast out the PP gets wrapped around the slider. When you come tight on a fish the PP cuts itself. Thats the theory I'm trying to correct. I have talked to othere that believe the same theory. I recently purchase some larger ceramic sliders to see if that help. I haven't tried them yet.

[WhiteBucket]

I will never use PP again. I spooled up a new reel last fall on put it on a new rod. On my first drift I hooked up with a big striper and within seconds the line broke. I retied my rig and passed through the same rip again, hooked up again, and the line broke again. On the third drift through the rip I pulled in a 23lb striper using my other rod with a different braid. I have used other braids and have never had a breakoff. I have some stren or spiderwire braid on my surf rod that I have been using for the last three years and have never had a breakoff.

[Little Ricky]

The company did not even respond to my email after I had no sample to send back.save the junk line and send it back for refund.Believe me it was the line that cost your lose of fish!Been there.Maybe cusomer service improved as well.The line they said the problem has been resolved.

[striper2278]

P.S.

I like Stren Super Braid!

[elverpresley]

Stren Super Braid is awesome. I've had a lot of luck with it.

[NJAngler Bill]

I believe the problems you are having are "growing pains". I have been using Power Pro exclusively for many, many years for everything from little freshwater outfits to 80 pound standup gear and I can tell you with the highest level of confidence that it is a tremendous product.

The thing about Power Pro, and other braids for that matter, is that they will definitely expose the weakest link in your tackle system. Your knots must be perfect, your guides must be smooth, and your drag must be silky. You also have to take extra care to make sure the line is wrapped nice and tight on the spool. It takes most anglers a little while to become accustomed to using it, but once you get your system down you'll never, ever go back to mono.

I use Power Pro on every reel I own and I haven't had a breakoff in several years. The stuff has improved my fishing more than any single product ever has. It pains me to hear when anglers give up after a few mystery breaks, because I know that once the proper adjustments are made it'll be smooth sailing.

[fmTuna]

I have PowerPro as the primary line, or as backing on every reel I own, and can honestly say the only time I have had breaks, it was my own fault.

One thing Basil touched on above, and Bill reinforced, is that PP will fail by burning or melting from friction if it is not spooled properly or the knots are not properly tied.

I had a very obvious example of this happen to me 2 years ago when I had a tiny loop on a spinning reel buried about 40 yrds into the spool. I was throwing a hopkins, the line rubbed the loop with tension when casting and the line separated. I looked at the line and it was not only melted to a darker color, but smelled like burning fibers.

If you nick the line, retie.. if you are retieing a leader, strip off a few feet.. if you are using a fishfinder, watch out for the line getting slightly frayed by wrapping around the terminal gear (especially a duolock snap... great place for a line to get nicked)...

In my mind, you have to take extra care with it, but from a sensitivity and increased spool capacity standpoint it is clearly worth the extra effort.

Also.... when it starts ageing, just reverse it off onto another reel putting the "used" portion deep down in the spool where you will hopefully never see it again until the next respooling. You get at least double the use out of it this way.... literally saves you half the cost of the line ( I learned that logic from my wife when she explained to me how she SAVED money by buying something she didn't need because it was on sale ;) )

[Here For Now]

Here is an srticle on their website about counterfeit power pro...possibly someone has purchased it and can be the reason for these problems.

http://www.powerpro.com/press/news/details.asp?PP_PRESS_NEWS_ID=23

[barrell]

Ive never trusted the palomer because if you cut the tag end real close to the knot it could slip and the whole knot would fall apart. So at least 8 years ago I started doing something you would think would be crazy and cause a problem but it hasnt. After tying the palomar to a snap etc. I loop the snap back through the doubled up line (main line and tag end) This results in a simple half hitch about 3 to 4 inches up from the snap and a doubled up line for that 3 or 4 inches. I was afraid after trying it the half hitch would cut through itself but it has never happened even after being tested many times. Once by a 6 foot wide manta ray that I fought for an hour and a half and brought to the boat and removed the bucktail that was tied on this way. The bonus is you have a double line for a few inches which can resist the abrasion of a rough mouth better than a single layer.
Barrell

[Little Ricky]

Originally posted by Here For Now:
Here is an srticle on their website about counterfeit power pro...possibly someone has purchased it and can be the reason for these problems.

http://www.powerpro.com/press/news/details.asp?PP_PRESS_NEWS_ID=23 hey that is interesting but check this out.People elsewhere had breakoff problem as I and others web page (http://www.noreast.com/discussion/ViewTopic.cfm?todaystopics=false&Topic_ID=26216&startrow=1&page=1&search=service&se)

[CaptG]

Most of your breakoffs w/ braid are do to the no stretch factor of the line. It is not wise to rip back on em on the hookset, as this is where most breakoffs occur, a flip of the wrist is all it takes. Likewise, it's important you use a rod w/ a good soft tip and a reel w/ a smooth drag and DO NOT fish a heavy drag, keep it light, atleast on the hookset, you can crank it up a bit after the first run, or use your thumb! The other breakoffs are due to knicks in the line or chaffing. For all it's advantages, the downside of it is it knicks easy so use a rod w/ quality guides and check them often. It's also important to strip a couple yards and retie often, epecially when using a fishfinder slide as the abrasion of the weight and slide takes it's toll of the lines coating after a while which makes it more susceptible to being knicked. Use of a shock leader helps with both the chaffing and no stretch issues and doesn't take much away from the sensitivity so consider that as well. I've used all the braids, going all the way back to the gorilla braid which was out way before spiderwire, fireline, powerpro etc. and they are all good, but they take some time getting used to and you may have to adjust the way you fish or your tackle inorder to minimize the problems associated w/ the downside of these lines. Overall though, it can't be beat for bottom fishing as in my experience I'd say it's increased my catch ratio over mono by 40%.

[Bluewater sportfishing]

Ok all of these "things" that have happened to people give me the idea that the knot was not the problem. I have been using braid for a long time and have used the polomar knot for all the ties. I used to use this stuff called battle line made by a co. in spring city pa and it was awsome. I dont think the co is still in buisness anymore, you could nick it burn it what ever you wanted, that was the point of it right? now I hear this crap about how pp is so sensitive to every thing out there. IMHO that is crap and that wont cut it on my boat. the line is junk. I dont care what people say about it its coming off all my reels and whoever wants it come to the boat and I will spool it right on to your reel just give me a shout. The funny thing is I have caught many of fish with it and never had a problem. Got this new reel with it spooled up and ready to go and it poped twice on me...and not at the swivel either, because I only realed in 15 or so feet of what was left. and the cast was far...real far. The line that caught the big 58lber was pp and about three years old never had a problem with it. Could it be that the new crap has a defective batch?
well who cares its coming off.
Adam if you swear by the stren then I will try it and see if I like it,(I do infact love the stren product) one more note. all the rods had plenty of shock leader and the tv hooksets were kept to a min.

[TWIN D'S]

this is an interesting discussion. I deep water fluke with the 50 lb pp and get hung up all the time. Darn impossible to break by thunbing the reel spool. I wrap it around a 2" wood dowel and pull with both hands to break the stuff. I use a double uni knot.

[VDAWG]

Mono would not have staned a chance on that fish,once the rod broke,
we fish 90% of the time when in the bay for "LARGE" stripers Chunking ,Braid lets you hold bottom with whole baits and light lead,and with up to 36' of Mono leader i would thing you should have enough stretch,In some of the spots we fish there is Huge amounts of Heavey structure also i wouldnt want to loose the fish of a life time We never ever had a problem with Pp before,But a brand change in braid is in order!

Just my oppinion

Only 1 of the rods belonged to us,the other 2 were our clients !!!!

[finaddict5]

I can't beleive I'm joing the Powerpro bashers since I've been one of their strongest supporters until now. Like Capt. Kobey and VDAWG, I experienced a couple of "breakoffs" with brand new 50 lb. Powerpro last week on "large" fish.

I've used the same tackle and technique for years with old 50 lb. Powerpro and have never had a problem. So I don't buy the knot failure or my equipment hurting the PP scenario. When I spend $25 to $30 for a 300 yard spool of 50 lb. PP, I want to expect NO PROBLEMS!

I'm not going to risk loosing a fish of a lifetime because Powerpro is having another manufacturing/quality control problem. I just respooled 6 outfits over the winter with fresh 50 lb Powerpro which I now DON'T trust.

I won't be buying any more Powerpro! That's for sure. Stren or Suffix braid, here I come. It's a real shame too, because I loved PP!

[Little Ricky]

Originally posted by finaddict5:
I can't beleive I'm joing the Powerpro bashers since I've been one of their strongest supporters until now. Like Capt. Kobey and VDAWG, I experienced a couple of "breakoffs" with brand new 50 lb. Powerpro last week on "large" fish.

I've used the same tackle and technique for years with old 50 lb. Powerpro and have never had a problem. So I don't buy the knot failure or my equipment hurting the PP scenario. When I spend $25 to $30 for a 300 yard spool of 50 lb. PP, I want to expect NO PROBLEMS!

I'm not going to risk loosing a fish of a lifetime because Powerpro is having another manufacturing/quality control problem. I just respooled 6 outfits over the winter with fresh 50 lb Powerpro which I now DON'T trust.

I won't be buying any more Powerpro! That's for sure. Stren or Suffix braid, here I come. It's a real shame too, because I loved PP! Bry I lost fish because of there product and my friends did too.Even the web link I posted across state says same problem.This subject has been brought up before.The best thing is the customer service has issues as well when itcomes to refund.I am not gone to waste my time fighting a sponcer/successful company or other anglers that are happy with product.what it is, is what it is, not here to bash.It happened to many of us.I was gone to buy again after I heard they corrected problem.But customer service left a bitter taste with me.I use another product and I do not lose fish. :cool:

[ 05-23-2006, 07:37 AM: Message edited by: Little Ricky ]

[Re-Bait]

....once you get your system down you'll never, ever go back to mono.

HOW do you figure that? I have braid on mu flounder rods, and love the stuff BUT there is no way it's going to replace mono outright.

It's dangerous stuff that can cut faster than a knife thru butter. It tangles easily. It's hard to tie in the dark. It's very unforgiving.

I heard of one of our best local fisherman complaining that he lost a big striper because the braid did not strech and ripped a hook out of a cow's mouth. If you have ever grapped your line with your hand....better replace that hand with a dowel, because you'll need it to pull on your pp line.

Sure it can be good for many applications, but for when where and how I fish, pp gets the nod 10% odf the time.

[upchuck]

I believe if you use a fish finder rig, with a barrel lead weight, that it doesn't take long to chaff the line and or damage the line at the leader to line connection to cause the line to brake. If you use baided line, pull off a few yards of line every so often and retie your rig. All I use is braided for all my fishing. Prefer fireline over the PowerPro, but I use both.
My two cents.

[NJAngler Bill]

Re-bait, it means exactly the way it reads. I have found ways to overcome the shortcomings of braid in EVERY fishing scenario and I use it for absolutely everything. Deep water, shallow water, finesse applications, offshore fishing, surf, jetty, etc. On the rare occasion when I don't use it, like if I'm using someone else's rod/reel, I feel like I'm fishing blind, and I hate that.

Absolutely, though, fishing is all about confidence and ya gotta do what is right for YOU. For me, it's braid all the way and I'm sure that I catch many more fish because of it. If it doesn't work for you than don't use it...simple as that.

All the advice in the world doesn't replace on-the-water experience. Use what works for you!

[Dr. Bass]

I think Upchuck has it right here

Do you use a naked egg-sinker ?? If so that's almost definetly the cause.

You can buy a BRAID- SAFE fish-finder rig and BRAID-SAFE egg sinkers. I would give that a try. Don't foget to always wash the reels off with H2O after every use

[TWIN D'S]

Well, I spooled my deep water fluke rods with 50lb PP last week. I guess my first trip to the reefs will tell me if there is a QC problem with PP.

But maybe it's only with the heavier stuff?? Here's why I say that. Last week I was fishing jigs at night with 30lb PP joined to 30lb fluoro leader with a uni to uni knot. I got hung on the bottom about 4 times, wrapped the PP around my arm a few wraps and pulled. In each case, the fluoro parted while the PP and the uni to uni knot stayed intact.

Well, I'll see I guess.

[luv2fish]

I've used pp, fireline, and mono, each has its place, like the braid for deep water flukin with 30lb, 50lb too hard to break for OG fishing. I don't think a fluke will ever break 30lb test anyway. For chunkin the braid beats mono for line twists but the breakoff could have been to ff slider or knots slipping, what ever just makes me leary so going with mono for now, still have pp on extra spools in the tacklebox so can switch spools on my baitrunners in a flash. I did not know pp had manufacture problem, may go back to fireline but I'll make that decision in the fall.

[Capt Steve]

PP is a spectra line and the bumps you feel are the ends of fibers where they braid in new as I understand it. It also creates a spot where wear can take place. Dyneema lines such as the new performance braid from Sufix are very different. The line's fibers run the length of the line and there are no "lumps" where fibers join since they are the length of the line. Any braid will wear and if you are using fish finders it pays to cut off a bit and retie every now and then. Also, the knot strength of the Performance braid is excellent. I have used it quite a bit and I am very happy with it. Remember that the abrasion resistance of a braid is the same as the mono of that diameter so, I use 50 braid which has the diameter of 12 lb.and sometimes 65 braid with a diameter of 17 lb mono. In my opinion, in salt water, using smaller than that has no real advantage

[truckman]

Just my two cents. I fish 50# PP on all my in shore reels. I use a 10 to 12 ft mono leader before the swivel and the leader to the hook. I jon the leader with a uniknot or in a pinch I would use a dobble overhand knot loop and the same knot with the mono. I have landed fish to 45 pounds and never had one break off because of the knot to the PP. I do believe that when you have the fish next to the boat having the mono on the reel lets the line have some stretch and less hook tear outs.

[dusky]

50/60/70/80 pound braided lines for inshore fishing, now thats sport.

[TWIN D'S]

Originally posted by dusky:
50/60/70/80 pound braided lines for inshore fishing, now thats sport. yep, when ya do what we do there's no advantage, and therefore it makes no sense, to use less pound test. In fact, there are plenty of disadvantages with going lighter.

[gandy dancer]

I dont buy the equiptment failure BS... ive had it snap on brand new lami with a brand a new stradic spooled tight..removed the PP and spooled up with fireline and havn't had a break off in 2 years

[kenbrown]

glad i didnt get PP with all the bad stuff im seeing. I have stealth on my avet..only used once so far, no probs at all...

[Little Ricky]

:(

[ 05-23-2006, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Little Ricky ]

[bass ackwards]

Originally posted by dusky:
50/60/70/80 pound braided lines for inshore fishing, now thats sport. being the devils advocate here many would say using real light tackle is being unsportsman like. puts to much unneeded pressure on fish. either way I dont knock people for using heavy or light stuff. I personlly like having 30-50 braid for inshore. anything less i hate to deal with.

[bubble]

i use the berkley trilene knot and never had a problem

[Bgsdad]

I always use Palomar Knots w/o problems!
Nick in the guide gets my vote!

[Captn Joe]

Capt Steve,
your reply is what I was looking for, somehow they are screwing up the line as its manufactured.
I can live with one mistake, but I have found bad spots, at least 3 times now.

I said in my earlier post, as a habit, I spool all of my own lines, as I fish some major bigbucks tournaments. The spots I find on the brand new PP line, are what you described, and usually come right apart when pulled on.

I understand many of you have paid to have your reels spooled, and have no idea of the condition of the new line underneath.

Once again, for my money, no more Power Pro. My guess, I was spending about $3 to 4 hundred dollars a year on the stuff.

I going to try the Suffix.
I like the Fire Line for casting ( 15lb high vis)
Captn Joe

[bass ackwards]

just put the suffix on myself so far so good and have heard some good things, anyone have personal experiance with it?

[Bluewater sportfishing]

This is such a good post!!!
on sunday where the line parted I could feel a little bump in the line. well that has to be the problem. who wants a bunch of pp spooled on to their reels? (after this i doubt I can give it away..lol)

[TheAdamBomb]

Stren...Super...Braid! :D

[rackmaster]

I have not had any problems with Power Pro and have used it for the last 3 seasons. It gets a workout. I surf cast 20lb with 6 & 8 ounces and no shock leader. I have to wonder about the stuff you're getting when stores have these cheap fill you spool days in the spring. I wonder if it's bogus or blemished merchandise. I'd hate to think any shop would do that.

[TheAdamBomb]

I doubt Power Pro would do that...would be a quick way to earn a bad rep.

[Bluewater sportfishing]

I agree I feel that they might have a Q.C. problem, I have used it in the past up till now and only the recent two spools have had problems.
And it might just be a bad batch..it happens, but never again,

[Brian E. Mullaney]

SEND ALL YOUR POWER PRO TO ME - ALL OF IT :D

[Captn Joe]

Mullany,
I have so much of it, if I took it all off my reels at once and made a big bunch, it would fill that silly looking Mako Shark making the rounds on the net, LOL

[rgking03]

I have had four break offs and two were in the middle of the cast where i had just removed four feet to prevent the break. I checked it before casting and it just went and the other two were at the knot using a blood knot attached to a shockleader and a spiderhitch. I think this is the last year I use PP thinking of going back to mono or trying another brand.

[Victory At Sea]

I'm glad there's so much confusion about knots and line use. Makes Me feel like I have an edge :D smile.gif

[ 05-23-2006, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Victory At Sea ]

[JackStraw]

Wow....I've had no problems with PP from my boat or from the beach in 4 years. One of the spinners from my boat has 3 year old PP and it probably landed 200-300 stripers and blues last year. Also on my fluking stuff...I love it but there are obviously some issues with all the negative posts.

[finaddict5]

As I mentioned earlier I was a firm beleiver in Powerpro even when I disregarded reports like this on the Barn a year or so ago. Some claimed there were bad product coming from the factory? I have never had a problem with the 30 PP and have that on my jig/pinky setups. I had 50 PP on all my big surf sticks and all my chunkin outfits. Never had a problem back then. I thought guys were bashing PP for no reason other than personal preference of certain brands.

Just last week I had a few break offs on BRAND NEW 50 lb Powerpro and read that quite a few other experienced anglers have very recently had break off problems with 50 lb Powerpro as well.

Hey I'm not going to bash them because I used to love the stuff. I hope they get it together again, but now it's time for a change to another braid (at least the 50 lb test class stuff) for me!

[Casting disaster]

Been fishing with PP for 3 years and had my first unexplainable break-off this morning...weird, no fraying, less than a month old...snapped as soon as the fish hit. I'm going back tonight looking for my lost bomber smile.gif

[sledge]

Funny...I read this post the other day...and then my buddy from Big Pine Key calls...says he just broke off 2 tarpon in a row...50 lb powerpro right out of box snapped like old thread...has anybody contacted Powerpro???

[VDAWG]

Tis is what Captains Skip and Adam have to say,and with the amount of trips they do,If It gets the Nod from them,Then its deffanatly going on my Brais set ups !!!!

Originally posted by striper2278:
P.S.

I like Stren Super Braid! Originally posted by TheAdamBomb:
Guys, that is an exceptional fish...one of a lifetime, no doubt!

Just an FYI, but I have found Stren Superbraid to be superior to Power Pro in most aspects. I use it for all my fishing, and it really earns its great rep with me in the winter tog fishery where big blackfish in heavy structure test a line's true grit. It has done really well! Good luck! Thanks Captains Skip and Adam

[CaptG]

Don't jump too soon, I've been working out the stren super braid for two seasons and have had a couple breakoffs w/ that too, none the first season w/ the line, but had 1 breakoff on a rod w/ 30 and 1 on another rod w/ 50 superbraid both on the 2nd season w/ it on those reels so maybe it deteriorated some over time? Overall, it's smoother than PP and I like it but I'm going to give the new Suffix as shot on those reels this year and put that to the test. Though, I've come to the conclusion that if you fish enough w/ any of the braids sooner or later you are going to break a big fish off on the hookset because of the no stretch factor as I've broken PP, stealth and tuffline XP too. The only one I had never broke off was Fireline, it tests way above it's rating and I still think it's the strongest of the superlines...but alas, the biggest striper I hooked in the Utsch's tourney last season popped 30lb. fireline after I set the hook on it. I know from the take and how my rod bent over when i set the hook that this was one big bass, maybe I hit him too hard, maybe the drag didn't slip enough but in any event it broke and I lost the fish that would have given us 3 fish for day 2 and put us on top of the leader board...w/ only 2 fish day 2 we finished 4th, 7 lbs. out of the money...I assure you this fish was much greater than 7 lbs!!! :mad: In any event I'm going to keep putting all the braids to the test, while being very conscious about making sure the drags are set light, the lines kept tight and my choice of tackle is right and in top condition! That's all you can do! Also, equipment wise, you need to properly match the power of your rods to the lines breaking strength, no different than tuna tackle w/ mono in that regard. You put 50 lb. mono on a 50-80 lb. rated tuna rod that's more in the 80lb. class than the 50lb. and see how many tuna you break off! Same goes for braided line on your inshore tackle! I like a moderate/fast action rod for the braids in e-glass. I like the Lami Tri-flex rods, my collection of them keeps multiplying :cool:

[ 05-24-2006, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: CaptG ]

[NJAngler Bill]

This is my last addition to this post...don't want to beat a dead horse.

CaptG hit the nail on the head!!! Using braided line isn't always as easy as just spooling it up and going fishing. There are many considerations that don't necessarily apply to mono. That's why, when I first started fishing braid many years ago, I thought it was only applicable for certain applications...namely deep water bottom fishing and finesse fishing. Since then, I have gradually realized that it offers many advantages in ALL styles of fishing, so long as it's used properly and all the adjustments in tackle, rigging, etc. are made. Now, it's all I use.

I, too, experienced "mystery breaks" early on. But I evaluated why this was occurring and realized that in almost every case it was something I was overlooking. Honestly, over the past 5 years - probably 350 fishing trips - and everything from trout to tuna - I haven't experienced a single breakoff with Power Pro that wasn't explainable.

I can smell an article coming...

[Bob ECT]

Fireline Inshore, Izorline Spectra Offshore. No more problems smile.gif

Stealth ain't bad inshore either.

[TheAdamBomb]

Matt, you fish fairly regularly, so I would absolutely change the line at least once a season. I've used just about all the braids, and Superbraid has held up best for me on a day to day basis.

[Ledge Fever]

Keyman,
I didn't have time to read all the post. But something caught my eye in your post "Spro swivels" as your terminal gear. It may not be the power pro. The spro swivels are small with high lb test. For some reason they are very tough on all types of line. I lost 3 tuna on 60lb flouro before we realized the spro swivels were cutting the line. Several other barners reported similiar problems. I have not used them again in situations were I expect a lot of pressure on the set up. I have used power pro for three years on my inshore gear and I have never experienced break off problems. I agree with a previous post, check your connections for fraying etc. good luck

[hyperstriper]

i heard somewhere that there is a weak spot in the line when getting line from bulk spools. Something about how they fuse the line together makes for a weak spot and these "mystery" breakoffs. I've been using 50 lb power pro for the last 5 years or so and have never had a break off.

[Brian E. Mullaney]

Originally posted by Captn Joe:
Mullany,
I have so much of it, if I took it all off my reels at once and made a big bunch, it would fill that silly looking Mako Shark making the rounds on the net, LOL I'LL TAKE IT ALL - I WAS TALKING TO A FELLOW BARNER LAST NIGHT AND WE JUST DONT GET HOW PEOPLE ARE HAVING THESE BREAKOFFS. WE USE IT ON THE ROCKS ALL THE TIME - WE ARE ABUSIVE WITH OUR GEAR. IVE HAD 2 REELS FAIL USING IT - NEVER THE LINE.

[ZAGNUT]

Never had a problem with the Power Pro and have been using it for 3 years
Steve

[aftermath]

Last night my buddy broke off three times using power pro... I blamed his knots but maybe it was the line. I've never had a problem.

[Bluewater sportfishing]

Originally posted by Ledge Fever:
Keyman,
I didn't have time to read all the post. But something caught my eye in your post "Spro swivels" as your terminal gear. It may not be the power pro. The spro swivels are small with high lb test. For some reason they are very tough on all types of line. I lost 3 tuna on 60lb flouro before we realized the spro swivels were cutting the line. Several other barners reported similiar problems. I have not used them again in situations were I expect a lot of pressure on the set up. I have used power pro for three years on my inshore gear and I have never experienced break off problems. I agree with a previous post, check your connections for fraying etc. good luck we use the spro but the round ones not the barrell ones, I know what you are talking about though. they are beveled on the inside and do like to cut line.

[finaddict5]

The 50 lb Powerpro that broke off on me last Wednesday 5/17 was BRAND NEW out of the box 300 yard spool purchased at Dick's!

What really pizzes me off was that I lost my biggest fish of the day when the 50 lb Powerpro broke off. I can't guarantee it was a striper, but it was hooked in the same window as the other twelve nice stripers we caught that day and this one was way bigger. I know "that's fishing" and I accept it. We all know how much time and preparation we put in over the off season, and then to get a fantastic day when the large are on the feed only to have equipment failure ruin one's chances at a possible "fish of a lifetime" or a nasty old big shark or ray, or whatever. It sure would have been nice to have had a look! :eek: :confused: tongue.gif :D ;) :rolleyes: :(

[ 05-24-2006, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: finaddict5 ]

[penn50w]

If you use power pro, tie the Uni-knot. We use it for fluke and for trolling bass with spoons. Power Pro to Mono with the Uni tied correctly is the cat's meow. You just have to be careful that the line doesn't twist on itself when you pull it up tight or it will cut thru the knot. I have yet to see a flaw in a spool of PP but I guess it is possible. Also, if you are Bass fishing and catching Blues, what makes you think a school of Blues didn't come thru and bite the line. That we have had happen. Keep the lines tight.

[Mullica Bob]

Get over it already. No problems with PP EVER. Old, new, green, hi-vis. Miles of trolling, jigging and casting around everything. NEVER-----EVER a problem. Learn the correct way to use it and you can enjoy it the same as I have.

[ 05-25-2006, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Mullica Bob ]

[bass ackwards]

u must own stock in pp,j/k.

[finaddict5]

Originally posted by Mullica Bob:
Get over it already. No problems with PP EVER. Old, new, green, hi-vis. Miles of trolling, jigging and casting around everything. NEVER-----EVER a problem. Learn the correct way to use it and you can enjoy it the same as I have. Now that's funny! :eek: :D When do the Powerpro classes begin? tongue.gif :rolleyes: I've been using it since it came out. Before that I mastered Fireline, Tuff Line, Gorilla Braid, Spiderwire Stealth, Original Spiderwire. So there. tongue.gif :D

[sledge]

I guess my buddy in the Keys...a guide for 15 years...just isn't using PP the right way..I'll make sure to tell him to read this thread for expert advice...It's sad...people bring up a topic on here looking for answers...most give honest friendly advice...but others just see it as a chance to pat themselves on the back while basically putting others down...not just in this forum but others as well

[Brian E. Mullaney]

sledge - I fish what I like - who the f*** cares what I, or anyone else is using - seriously

I dont see it as people patting themselves on the back - where did you get that perception from?? Are the Fireline guys patting themselves on the back too - jeez.

this is like ford vs chevy debate - drive what you like smile.gif

[Roddy Roddy Striper]

i have a t-shirt that says sh!t happens.

[Brian E. Mullaney]

that it does - and often

[Capt Lew]

Look at Skip M's post in this forum (Almost a double). That break off was on a hook set with PP. :( It was not at the knot, but 3 feet up.

[ 05-26-2006, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: Capt Lew ]

[pgoins]

I would check my guides. Check for nicks and cracks that may be chafing the line. Only had a breat off problem once on a surf casting setup. That turned out to be the problem. Remember, braid does not have great abrasion resistance. So if you're fishing around structure, rocks, clam or mussels beds, use plenty of leader.

IMHO, Braid should only be used for bottom fishing, surfcasting, jigging, and trolling spoons. Without any stretch you're countiing 100% on the reels drag ability. I see many pulled hooks with guys who show up on charters with Braid. Not mention the tangles are a beach! If you're bass fishing with bait you should be using MONO MONO MONO. I use 20# Momoi for live lining the big boys and 16# for early season clamming. Can't remember last time I had a break off.

Braid when used in the right conditions and correct technique is unmatched. If you have any amount of break offs, then I'm sorry to say, It's NOT line.

[ 05-26-2006, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: pgoins ]

[finaddict5]

Originally posted by sledge:
I guess my buddy in the Keys...a guide for 15 years...just isn't using PP the right way..I'll make sure to tell him to read this thread for expert advice...It's sad...people bring up a topic on here looking for answers...most give honest friendly advice...but others just see it as a chance to pat themselves on the back while basically putting others down...not just in this forum but others as well I'm with you sledge...my sentiments exactly! ;)

[sledge]

MUllaney...a little sensitive their bro...I wasn't addressing those who haven't had problems with PP(like you) or who love it to use it(I personally like it)...but when someone tells me ..."learn how to use it right and it won't break"...that's telling me..that all these people who just recently had mysterious breakoffs, MANY EXPERIENCED FISHERMAN, we don't know how to use it...BUT a select group of elite anglers does...voicing opinions is always cool and way to learn from others... its both what you say AND how you say it.

[ 05-26-2006, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: sledge ]

[Capt Lew]

Originally posted by pgoins:
I would check my guides.
Braid when used in the right conditions and correct technique is unmatched. If you have any amount of break offs, then I'm sorry to say, It's NOT line. Checked my guides today, not one nick on anything. Ran a Q-tip around the inside of every guide. You can have your PP. This is my first year using it and it's coming off. I have been using "Fireline" for 6 years and never had a break-off, NOT ONE. So don't tell me it's not the line.

[ 05-26-2006, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: Capt Lew ]

[pgoins]

Looks like you got a crummy spool. I've had it on a spinning rod for three years now. No problems. Go with the Fireline.

[Keyman]

Propro culprit up-date-- Prior to your trip up north this Friday morning I went over all of my rods and reels which have PP spooled. Checked the rod guides with cotton as suggested and were OK. Interesting I happpen to look at the fish finder rig($.02 item) and found that the PP had cut a sharp "V" groove in the nylon guide. I typically put a bead ahead of the swivel but last Saturaday I re-rigged without one. My theory is that on the hook set the PP was jammed into the groove and cut. I also found other fishfinder rigs which I had used and put back in my tackle box to re-ued which had similar cuts. I think that might account for some of the break off problems but not sure it isn't a QC problem with the line mfg. Did have bite-offs from blue fish but on a couple of times not sure if caused my fish or break-off. I'm taking the line off the reel for good and trying something else. Check all terminal tackle and re-tie every trip will be my norm!

[Roddy Roddy Striper]

There is a braid version of the fishfinder rig that comes out of Brigantine. Picked it up at Offshore Bait and Tackle in AC. Get one of those.

[Brian E. Mullaney]

Originally posted by sledge:
MUllaney...a little sensitive their bro...I wasn't addressing those who haven't had problems with PP(like you) or who love it to use it(I personally like it)...but when someone tells me ..."learn how to use it right and it won't break"...that's telling me..that all these people who just recently had mysterious breakoffs, MANY EXPERIENCED FISHERMAN, we don't know how to use it...BUT a select group of elite anglers does...voicing opinions is always cool and way to learn from others... its both what you say AND how you say it. I NEVER SAID YOU OR ANYONE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO USE IT - I SAID USE WHAT WORKS FOR YOU - FOR ME PP IS PERFECT FOR PLUGGING

[Capt Lew]

Originally posted by pgoins:
Looks like you got a crummy spool. I've had it on a spinning rod for three years now. No problems. Go with the Fireline. Yep, your probably right Captain, it may be a crummy spool, but now I have a bad taste in my mouth for PP, so I think I will go back to Fireline. ;) Like you, I know people who never had a problem with PP. I'm going to give the new SUFIX PERFORMANCE BRAID a shot also. I have heard good things about this line. Thanks for your input. ;)

[ 05-26-2006, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: Capt Lew ]

[bass ackwards]

Those cheap fish finders def go through pp like butter. I was fishing a nor easter last year with 10oz on. Prior to that I had a couple of breakoffs I looked at all my guides becasue I also learned the hard way about that and they were fine. So I decided to find a new spot and left the weight on and after walking a couple of blocks my 50# pp line just broke out of no where, I rerig and and it happened again. Then I finally figured it out it was the fish finder, felt like an idiot. Still had some problems with pp so I switched and had havent had any problems yet.

[Mullica Bob]

I said learn how to use it. Proper knots, checking guides, and things like those little teal colored fishfinders instead of the 2 cent wal-marts can make the difference.

What exactly are we trying to accomplish by going around and around with this topic? It has already been beaten to death long before this. Looking for answers? If you could not find them before you probably sol by now.

I don't have stock in PP or gain any advantage in recommending it. Find something that works for you and use it. That seems like a simple enough concept to me. Most of the people that have responded to this topic have simply bitched at PP. Not really much to gain in doing so when you can take what little there is to get from this thread and leave out the boo-hoo's. :(

Just my opinion.

[Capt Lew]

Originally posted by Mullica Bob:
I said learn how to use it.
BS, Using Fireline with the same tackle for 6 years with no problems. Two months with PP and break-offs. Don't give me that "learn how to use it" crap.

[bluequill]

I was using 50# pp for tog a few weeks ago and had 3 break offs. I awitced from a palomer knot to a uni and did not have the problem again.

[Keyman]

In the power pro booklet that was in the spool box, a palomer knot is one of the suggested knots.
My solution is to get rid of powerpro and go with stern super briad suggested in many of the threads about break-offs.

[Keyman]

I orginally posted the thread to get other barner's experiences with this product. I did not have a problem previously until I re-spooled this spring after three years of using it. Based on reponses, is it a QC problem or mis-use issue? Today I took a print out of these thread to the place where the was purchased to see if other customers had any problems. One sales associated did responsed yes but only a few. Hopefully by stating the facts others can make a better decision on what products to purchase. For me I'm done with this product.

[Mullica Bob]

Are you saying it's the luck of the draw when you buy new PP? Is that what the problem really is for all the unexplained and mysterious "break offs"? As much PP that is being sold it would be a mass exodus away from the product if it were a qc problem. But then again that's my opinion and based solely on that. I don't have any facts to base things on but it ain't qc. I by it regulary and again NEVER have problems. :( :( :( :(

[ 05-27-2006, 09:56 PM: Message edited by: Mullica Bob ]

[Keoki]

Here is a good knot link...


http://www.tackletactics.co.nz/Knots.htmlkk/

Capt. Keoki

[Keoki]

Sorry about the link. Here it is again.

http://www.tackletactics.co.nz/Knots.html

Capt. Keoki

[CaptG]

For an update, my last 3 trips out I used an Avet MX spooled myself this winter w/ 50 lb. Power Pro I bought at Walmart after I broke the big bass off on 30 lb. Fireline. I used a couple months ago for tog to 9 lbs. and caught 6 drum 40-80 lbs. this month with no problems. Used a 7'20-40 Lami Triflex rod, double uni knot, stripped each retie and used new or the green fishfinders, lever drag set at 6-9 lbs. Next trip I'm going to start testing out the new suffix braid and continue w/ the power pro on this rod also.

[finaddict5]

G-
I gave that Fireline that was on the Avet we swapped out for, to my buddy E. He put it on his Abu 6500 and loves the stuff. I still think it feels too much like dental floss. tongue.gif I thought that Fireline was you favorite? :confused: What happenend? Your'e a PP man now? :eek: I just bought a 300 yards of Suffix braid for my Abu C3 7000. ;) It will replace that crap new bad batch of new 50 lb Power Pro that broke on me! :mad: I also got some Stren 50 braid for my Calcutta 400's and Abu 6500's. I'll be giving both of them a shot deep water flukin'! ;)

[ 05-30-2006, 03:49 AM: Message edited by: finaddict5 ]

[dusky]

How much pressure does the average inshore reel put on a fish (without thumb pressure !)?

When I say inshore I mean under 25 lb class reel.
Personal fan of 250/300/400 Calcutta models. Also use Avet SX.

Answer the above question and then think about braided 50/60/80 pound tests !

Use 12/14/20lb braid do not have issues. Polomar braid termination, improved clinch leader terminations. Many problems are caused when baits wraparound braid before leader termination (ie fishfinder spins, live bait loops around finder) causing a braid to braid slicing, and wearing affect when the fish comes tight. This can be eliminated by lowering baits carefully and stayin in touch with baits as drifted.

Answer to the above question is 8-10 pounds, with the exception of Avet which boasts 14lbs of pressure.

[dusky]

How much pressure does the average inshore reel put on a fish (without thumb pressure !)?

When I say inshore I mean under 25 lb class reel.
Personal fan of 250/300/400 Calcutta models. Also use Avet SX.

Answer the above question and then think about braided 50/60/80 pound tests !

Use 12/14/20lb braid do not have issues. Polomar braid termination, improved clinch leader terminations. Many problems are caused when baits wraparound braid before leader termination (ie fishfinder spins, live bait loops around finder) causing a braid to braid slicing, and wearing affect when the fish comes tight. This can be eliminated by lowering baits carefully and stayin in touch with baits as drifted.

Answer to the above question is 8-10 pounds, with the exception of Avet which boasts 14lbs of pressure.

[pgoins]

Originally posted by Capt Lew:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by pgoins:
Looks like you got a crummy spool. I've had it on a spinning rod for three years now. No problems. Go with the Fireline. Yep, your probably right Captain, it may be a crummy spool, but now I have a bad taste in my mouth for PP, so I think I will go back to Fireline. ;) Like you, I know people who never had a problem with PP. I'm going to give the new SUFIX PERFORMANCE BRAID a shot also. I have heard good things about this line. Thanks for your input. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Let us know what you think of the Suffix Braided. I too heard good thing about it and I will be respooling my bottom setups this year.

[CaptG]

Originally posted by finaddict5:
G-
I gave that Fireline that was on the Avet we swapped out for, to my buddy E. He put it on his Abu 6500 and loves the stuff. I still think it feels too much like dental floss. tongue.gif I thought that Fireline was you favorite? :confused: What happenend? Your'e a PP man now? :eek: I just bought a 300 yards of Suffix braid for my Abu C3 7000. ;) It will replace that crap new bad batch of new 50 lb Power Pro that broke on me! :mad: I also got some Stren 50 braid for my Calcutta 400's and Abu 6500's. I'll be giving both of them a shot deep water flukin'! ;) Brian, I do like the fireline but it's hard to find it in over 30 lb. test anymore, the 15/40 was so strong it could pull in a bus! I only respooled the MX w/ 50 lb. power pro after I had my first ever break off w/ 30 lb. fireline in the tourney. I still have 30 lb. fireline on a couple reels, one a charter special I gave my buddy to use on Sunday and he horsed in a 50 lb. ray and a 70 lb. Drum w/ no problem. For chunking the bay I prefer 50 lb. test though and can't find the higher test fireline anywhere so use 50 lb. power pro I have on a couple reels, I spooled a couple more reels Sat. w/ 50 lb. suffix and still have 30, 40 & 50 lb. stren braid on a couple other reels, all that will get a workout this year before i decide which 50 lb. braid i'll stick with. The stren is thicker than both power pro & stren. The suffix is as thin as power pro but real smooth/slick and rounder than all of them. it's kind of a high vis green though but looks like it will perform real well. I put 300 yards of 30 lb. stren braid on the calcutta we swapped for and have had 30 lb. fireline on my other calcutta for 5 years w/ no problems so i'll stick w/ fireline in the 30 lb. test unless the stren braid proves better in that test.

[ 05-30-2006, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: CaptG ]

[the aquaholic]

I dumped PP the second season. Mystery breakoffs
were not appreciated. Went with stren super braid and NO more breakoffs and less wind knots.
Only knock is the business end of the line fades to white after a couple of uses.(trim and fish...no big deal)

[Keyman]

Just re-spooled one of my reels with Stern 50lb super braid. Other reel(s) still has PP on it until I can evaluate Stern. Based on threads I think the line will work out. Shop only had small spools of Sufix braid (150yds) so for now will wait to re-spooling other reel(s).

[surfandsummit]

i have used PP for two years solid. i've been impressed with it's durability, i feel comfortable recommending it.

i'm an inshore, light-tackle angler, so my use for braid is withstanding abrasions on pilings and bottom obstructions primarily, NOT for open water brute force.

with that said, i'm now testing cortland's "master braid". according to the data i've read, it has the highest number of fibers/weaves and i'm hoping it will retain it's "roundness" for a longer period of time. also, the charter capts in my area seem to prefer it over other braids.

important note:
ultraviolet light is a big enemy of many synthetic materials. this may be a factor in the durability of your braid. i'm certain it is a factor for flourocarbon leaders. avoid purchasing materials that are exposed to sunlight (if any) in your local shop.

[finaddict5]

I tried the 50 lb Suffix braid and the 50 lb Stren braid this week. I did not like the Suffix braid as it seemed to have some sort of plastic coating that made the line "squeak" :eek: when rubbing against the top guides when jigging a bucktail. :confused: Maybe this will change as the line gets broken in, but I found it rather annoying. :rolleyes:

I like the Stren braid just fine. smile.gif It performed well, was very strong, and had no break offs. ;) Had the good characteristics of PP without the break offs! tongue.gif :D

[garyS - NJ]

I've had a bunch of PP breakoffs too but I'm too slow & cheap to change horses (have it on all my bottom reels). I tend to believe flaws are the cause.

[candyman]

All line breaks for whatever reason. weird thing is how well it holds up when you snag something :confused:

[Partnership]

I've been avoiding this thread- mostly b/c I don't want to believe the PP problems.

I use power pro in almost every application and love it. But I keep hearing about all these breakoffs and have seen them happen too. But not to me. If I lost some big fish, I'm sure my opinion would be different- but for now- I luv the stuff.

I, as TwinD, have to use a dowel to pull it lose from a snag- sometimes a challenge with 50lb. When jigging for weakies it is ALWAYS my 20lb leader that breaks off when snagged.

I don't know. I guess I'll continue to use it b/c I am comfortable with it- but it sure won't take much for me to jump ship if I lose a bigun.

[moparfan]

I have 2 surf rods the shakesspeare $40 combos from Dick's and I had 20lb PP spooled on them from the bait shop and been using them for 3 years with no problems, maybe it just the newer stuff. I do reverse it at the begining of the year. I have cheap gear and haven't had a problem and I am not a master of knots either. After reading this though I think I will try something else when I decide to re-spool.

[Partnership]

Oh- and BTW

I respool my Tekota Reels which are my bay chunking rigs each Fall before the Fall run. I want to be ready when by next personal best comes along.

[B8 KASTER]

cant beat good old mono , set drag right you can land any thing you want .i catch 40-50lb fish on 17 suffix tritanaium no problem.!!!

[finaddict5]

Originally posted by Partnership:
I've been avoiding this thread- mostly b/c I don't want to believe the PP problems.

I use power pro in almost every application and love it. But I keep hearing about all these breakoffs and have seen them happen too. But not to me. If I lost some big fish, I'm sure my opinion would be different- but for now- I luv the stuff.

I, as TwinD, have to use a dowel to pull it lose from a snag- sometimes a challenge with 50lb. When jigging for weakies it is ALWAYS my 20lb leader that breaks off when snagged.

I don't know. I guess I'll continue to use it b/c I am comfortable with it- but it sure won't take much for me to jump ship if I lose a bigun. :D Hey Tom,
This is exactly how I used to feel about PP for years. When I read people were having problems with PP, I thought they were nuts. If they weren't, I was secretly happy that I was having great luck with the stuff and was happy that I had avoided those nasty problems they were having. Unfortunately my time came. "Lost a bigun" as you said, and had to "jump ship" even though I hated doing so. :(

[Partnership]

I hear ya fin- still, though, I just went out a got a new 300 Tekota and treated myself to a GLoomis rod and made the last minute decision to spool with 30lb power pro. We'll see!!!!

[finaddict5]

He He He Tom,
I'll probably go back too! :eek: I tried the Suffix and Stren braids and did not like them as much as PP. :( I may wait awhile till they get rid of all the 50 PP thats's in the shops now though. ;) I'm good with all sizes other than 50 PP. BTW good luck on your new setup. Just the thing to do when you can't get out! :D Bry

[ 06-09-2006, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: finaddict5 ]

[greenbean]

FWIW...

When I started using PP a few years ago, I did my own tests for knot strength. Not totally scientific but I found the Uniknot outperformed all others I tried, consistently failing at 80-90% of line rating. But only with enough turns - at least 15 for 20 lb., 12 for 30 lb. and 10 for 50 lb. A 5 turn Uniknot in 20 lb. PP failed at 8 lbs.

Palomar came in second at 70-80% line strength while clinch, improved clinch, and blood knots were all under 70%. The only loop knot I tried that didn't slip was the perfection loop but knot strength was under 60%.

All this was done with just one spool of each weight so after seeing this thread I redid some of the tests with new line and got similar results.

BTW, no knot ever achieved 100% and the PP itself never broke, always the knot. I measured all three weights of PP at 105-115% of rated strength.

[Keyman]

Greanbean- Interesrting thread. I don't think in my problem it was the knot that failed. I had a shop respool my reels after three years of service with 50lb PP without any break-offs. The new stuff was the first time that I had any break-offs that's why I changed to super braid.

[Team Z]

Keyman

We use Berkley Line
</font> MAIN Line Fireline with Palomar Knots</font> SPRO Power Barrel Swivel</font> LEADER Line Vanish with Trilene Knots</font>
We have not had any Brakeoffs smile.gif
But when our Main Line shows signs of wear and/or discoloration we lop that part of the Main line off and re-tie the knot.

[waterman482]

I know that when we were using spectra braid tuna fishing with kites if the outrigger clip on the kite was too tight it would snap the spectra right at the clip never found out why but the problem went away when we reduced tension on the clip

[kldr05]

Have used PP almost exclusively. Have never had a break. Palomar knot only. Have never had one come undone.

[the love from below]

I've never had any problems with Power Pro until I red this post acouple of day ago. At first I couldn't figure out what was going on? Then I realized when I went off the curb on my bike, the line would break at the tip. Weird thing it still works I lifted a 24in. bass right up alittle bridge in avalon right after? Then got on the bike went off a curb and pop! Things that seem different about this line, it seems to have more memory than other pro, and it fades unevenly? Even feels different????

[FreezOrBurn]

Power pro is great stuff. Used it for years never had an issue.

Now I have suffix and thats even better.

[reelayer]

Use PP frequently and had similar problem when I found out that one of the ceramic guides on my rod had micro crack in it. each time the line went over the crack it frayed. It got to the point that I couldn't let the line out without it breaking just under the weight of the rig. Found the crack, replaced the guide and have had no problems since.

[Little Ricky]

IT WILL NEVER END :rolleyes: http://www.sharrysplace.com/Animated/old-man-in-rocker.gif

[Brian E. Mullaney]

No it wont its getting like Ford Vs Chevy or Coke vs Pepsi

[Little Ricky]

Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
No it wont its getting like Ford Vs Chevy or Coke vs Pepsi How about cherry coke vs cherry pepsi LOL :D

[Marcus]

I would suggest putting a drop of glue on the knot. Also tensile strength(lb test) is totally different from shock strength