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finaddict5
04-21-2004, 02:37 AM
Was going to give it a shot on Wed. from the bank and wondering who has been doing well from the banks and what general areas. I wanted to try a little north say from Palmyra up toward Trenton. Any help would be greatly appreciated. E mail if you prefer. Thanks.

Dogface
04-22-2004, 01:02 AM
I "heard" they are catching them from the shore at Station Ave.

If your not familiar, Station Av is a small park / ramp on the river at the intersection of State Road and Station Av just north of the city line.

Red_Cherokee
04-22-2004, 06:57 AM
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Red_Cherokee
04-22-2004, 06:57 AM
I'm sure everyone who fishes there appreciates it Dogface, glad I don't.

Red_Cherokee
04-22-2004, 06:58 AM
dp

Red_Cherokee
04-22-2004, 06:58 AM
dp

channel runner
04-22-2004, 11:07 AM
Dogface,I can see you are a new member here.
Welcome, As you can see some people take offense when a specific area is posted here even if they don't fish there.I'm guilty of doing it myself. I'm sure you can understand how that could hurt an area. Anyway just email the person if you want to give them a specific area. Good luck

Merlin
04-22-2004, 11:22 AM
If you want to know where to fish, get out and spend the time to find the spots that work and the one's that don't. There is no replacement for trial and error. The "Barn" should not be used as a quick fix to catch fish. Let's all keep that in mind. Just my humble opinion.

Merlin

channel runner
04-22-2004, 12:33 PM
Merlin, I agree,The more you fish the more spots you will find.Both good and bad. You have to put your time in if you want to catch.

bitemebait
04-22-2004, 09:43 PM
Isn't a fishing website a place to trade information? Granted, dogface should have probably emailed but he's new and is just trying to help. Now you probably embarassed the guy.

As far as getting out and spending time to find the spots that work, a lot of people just don't have the time because of "WORK" and other responsibilities. I don't see where any "Barners" use this website as a "quick fix."

Weren't we all taught how to share and be nice to people in Kindergarten?

Glad I didn't go to the same school as a few of you. :rolleyes:

Attn: Dogface

If you want my DBay GPS co-ordinates email me. They're good.

Bassin' Large
04-23-2004, 03:23 AM
I agree with Bitemebait, its not like - all of the sudden 500 barners are going to swarm to a specific area and steal all of your fish! Most of the members on this site already have their own spots and will fish them regardless of what other "hot spots" are catching. This site is for INFORMATION and if that requires a new striper fisherman to be turned onto a "hot spot" and he catch his first 30" to 40" fish, then I feel as though this site has really served its purpose. I'm sure that everyone out there remembers their first striper very well. I know that after I caught my first last year I have been logging onto this site religiously everyday since. Its the bug.........spread the fever I say- theres no other feeling in the world. Let's remember what this is all about.

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finaddict5
04-23-2004, 03:34 AM
Thanks to all who emailed the "GENERAL" areas to try as I requested. I appreciate the help. I'm always glad to help out any "Brother Barners" as well. I may have a lot to learn, but I surely don't need some of these AH's telling me what to and not to do on a FISHING forum! :mad: Forum = dialog/exchange of ideas and or information. :confused: That is what I asked for nothing more nothing less! Why even bother to post if all you are going to do is bash? :mad: I'm not mentioning any names, you know who you are. Dogface I'm sorry you had to take a sarcastic bashing especially being new here. Don't let a few JO's :mad: scare you away. I've met and fished with many nice people on here. ;) Thanks for the info pal. :D BTW John at Brinkmans recommended the same spot. It's not like you gave up any national secrets. And for you other DH's :mad: ....if you want a secret, here's my PIN number, it's BOSCO! tongue.gif

NJ_H2OFWLR
04-23-2004, 10:58 AM
Frank, They don't share spots like us Duckmen! And to think there's more fishies than ducks.

If I just wanna go for a boat ride, I'd have a Sea Ray.

Show me the Fish!

Merlin
04-23-2004, 11:41 AM
I am sorry if I offended some people with my comments and yes Bait I have a job which requires 60 hours a week of my time and I still manage to find time to spend on the water, and believe it or not many of those hours are spent "fishing" not "catching." (and is there really a need to bash my Kindergarten too?)Actually my comments were not directed at Dogface but rather Fin. Hey Fin, relax I am no "AH" or "JO", but thanks for the kind and well thought out words. I am not bashing anyone, just simply reminding you of how much fun it can be to get out there and enjoy Mother Nature regardless of how many fish you catch. I could care less who fishes what spots, the more the merrier, but let's all work together to continue to discover new productive areas that we can enjoy and pass on to the next generation.

surf cowboy
04-23-2004, 01:53 PM
Ya gotta love it when we bring kindergarten into it!! :D :D :D

Brian E. Mullaney
04-23-2004, 02:10 PM
NOT THE SPOT THING AGAIN - DO WE HAVE TO GO THERE? GET OUT AND FISH - WINTER IS OVER :D

bitemebait
04-24-2004, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by Merlin:
I am sorry if I offended some people with my comments and yes Bait I have a job which requires 60 hours a week of my time and I still manage to find time to spend on the water, and believe it or not many of those hours are spent "fishing" not "catching." (and is there really a need to bash my Kindergarten too?)Actually my comments were not directed at Dogface but rather Fin. Hey Fin, relax I am no "AH" or "JO", but thanks for the kind and well thought out words. I am not bashing anyone, just simply reminding you of how much fun it can be to get out there and enjoy Mother Nature regardless of how many fish you catch. I could care less who fishes what spots, the more the merrier, but let's all work together to continue to discover new productive areas that we can enjoy and pass on to the next generation. Not to antagonize, we all work long hours at some point. I just got home at 1AM from 10AM and have to be back in at 9AM. I thank God I can do the work.

To tell someone what to do with their free time, to go find the spots to fish, is to not understand what may be going on in their life. Maybe they're taking care of a family member or a friend.

You are very lucky, Merlin, to be able to work, then spend your time "looking for spots."

If you ever need help someday, I hope that you have a guy like "Fin" around you who will sacrifice the "Fun of Mother Nature" on your behalf.

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Red_Cherokee
04-24-2004, 07:09 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bitemebait:
[qb] Isn't a fishing website a place to trade information? Granted, dogface should have probably emailed but he's new and is just trying to help. Now you probably embarassed the guy.

As far as getting out and spending time to find the spots that work, a lot of people just don't have the time because of "WORK" and other responsibilities. I don't see where any "Barners" use this website as a "quick fix."

Weren't we all taught how to share and be nice to people in Kindergarten?

Glad I didn't go to the same school as a few of you. :rolleyes:

Attn: Dogface

If you want my DBay GPS co-ordinates email me.

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Red_Cherokee
04-24-2004, 07:13 AM
and I e-mailed you fin.

sunnydaze
04-24-2004, 12:29 PM
So mentioning the location of a publicly funded state park is disclosing a 'spot'?

What the hell is a spot anyway? Where is it defined? Since ignorance is no excuse I would like to see the formal definition of a 'spot'.

Selfishly defending personal use of public land appears to be the only display of ignorance here.

:rolleyes:

eelball
04-24-2004, 12:55 PM
Bitemebait,
Gee, I don't see any of your reports? Coincidence. I think not. If you don't think that place will get heavy fishing preasure now, then your sadly naive. Do your homework and you'll catch fish. I've never fished up there, but if I were gonna I'd get a map out and find some likely spots, then go do the footwork. Lazy people suck.

bassvamp
04-24-2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by bitemebait:
Isn't a fishing website a place to trade information? Granted, dogface should have probably emailed but he's new and is just trying to help. Now you probably embarassed the guy.

As far as getting out and spending time to find the spots that work, a lot of people just don't have the time because of "WORK" and other responsibilities.


And thats our problem? I work 12 hrs a day have 4 kids and I still find time to fish at least 3 times a week! I dont get spots from anybody- I fish my own, amny times I get skunked but at least I fish spots that I pick not the "Go to" spots and quick fixes people are looking for here. Hell if catching fish was easy golfers wouldn't golf! Go get your own spots - walk 2-3 miles in knee deep mud in the dark. BOO FRIGGIN HOO! :BV


I don't see where any "Barners" use this website as a "quick fix."

Weren't we all taught how to share and be nice to people in Kindergarten?

Glad I didn't go to the same school as a few of you. :rolleyes:

Attn: Dogface

If you want my DBay GPS co-ordinates email me. They're good.

sunnydaze
04-24-2004, 02:07 PM
Nobody told him where to drop a line, just where to legally park for river access.

He still has to purchase his gear, get his gear together, locate the place, get directions from where he is, get gas, get bait, drive there, park, gear up and walk the bank. Select bait or lure, presentation, location and where to cast. Still have to unhook his line from objects, cast under things, find holes and eddies. There are no electronics telling him where to stick his 'lazy' ass. Then it must all be packed back up put in the car, driven home and unloaded again.

That's lazy? :confused:

No, driving to your boat, sticking a key in it and boating to a GPS coordinate where you drop a line beneath your boat is lazy.

Which makes for about 60 people I saw at the horseshoe on friday.

bitemebait
04-24-2004, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by sunnydaze:
Nobody told him where to drop a line, just where to legally park for river access.

He still has to purchase his gear, get his gear together, locate the place, get directions from where he is, get gas, get bait, drive there, park, gear up and walk the bank. Select bait or lure, presentation, location and where to cast. Still have to unhook his line from objects, cast under things, find holes and eddies. There are no electronics telling him where to stick his 'lazy' ass. Then it must all be packed back up put in the car, driven home and unloaded again.

That's lazy? :confused:

No, driving to your boat, sticking a key in it and boating to a GPS coordinate where you drop a line beneath your boat is lazy.

Which makes for about 60 people I saw at the horseshoe on friday. :D :D Working to make the boat payment isn't lazy! LOL!! Finding the spots to mark them isn't lazy either, but the first time you catch the fish and mark the spot on your GPS is BEST! If just dropping a line caught fish it would certainly be boring. The challenge and fun of any game is the hunt.

BTW, Friday produced Striper limits on DBay for my buddies!!! Those guys rock!!

Maybe someone could give the fish the numbers and then the fish would know to feed elsewhere. :eek: :D

You are right though!! I remember walking the beach to find a spot for seemed like miles to get to a certain spot, I had to lug the stuff and we didn't get any fish anyway!! It was fun though, thinking back. No way I was lugging that beer back!!

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sunnydaze
04-25-2004, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by bitemebait:
:D :D Working to make the boat payment isn't lazy! LOL!! :D Good one! You got me there. Point taken.

I don't think either is really lazy, I was just creating an analogy. Odd you mention drinking all the beer. Had the same problem the other night, we just sat in the rain and drank it all. Neither of us was carrying it back any place but in our bellies. :D

The odd thing is I don't hear people yelling at the bait shop, marinas and other fisherman who share spots publicly with others over VHF and in their stores, it just perplexes me why there is such hostility here. :confused:

Didn't a bunch of folks die so that we could have freedom of speech and share in the use of these incredible resources? Why stifle that by creating rules? Don't we live with enough #@%*$#! rules already? :rolleyes:

My point is; we are supposed to all be on the same team so please don't be waving an American flag in my face while you talk about protecting 'your' spots and enforcing rules of speech. That's looking awfully hypocritical if you ask me.

Ya' wanna know what sucks? Rules suck! ;)

Pazman2
04-25-2004, 11:10 AM
Oh no here we go....Spots...Spots...Spots...Remember keep it simple here and use the E-mail option that we all have...And anyone that doesn't allow this option...something wrong with that..Anyway time to fish...PAZMAN

R & R
04-25-2004, 11:24 AM
Some of us don't open that option because we got spamed for posting spots!A**H@LES.R&R

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THECHUMSTAIN
04-25-2004, 11:35 AM
Tacony Bridge

Trenton Area 6 caught yesterday on live herring up to 32lbs in 2.5 hours guy works for me but fished his boat after working his real job

turnpike bridge area

Burlington Bristol Bridge at the base on the Pa side.

Pennypack St. off State road on the weekend forget it.

Linden Ave had a few and Brinkmans Bait and Tackle is right there.

I had a small largemouth in the Oxford Valley lake.

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bitemebait
04-25-2004, 11:47 AM
Sunny, Paz and R&R, I hope your coolers are full of fish all year!! Rules do stink but without them people like that "flag waver" would wreak chaos over the good people. Sorta like a terrorist.

Hey Finaddict, did you ever get to fish that spot or did ya just cause a bunch of trouble?! LOL :rolleyes: :D

www.johnbethfish@hotmail.com (http://www.johnbethfish@hotmail.com) tongue.gif

Whomever wants to can email me when they're not busy drinking the beer that's in their coolers in order to make room for the fish, or doing volunteer work on behalf of their country, or buying their daughters new socks. ;)

R & R
04-25-2004, 11:51 AM
No rules.....Just right....SPOTS post if you got'um!R&R

on the hook
04-25-2004, 12:11 PM
After all this, he didn't go anyway!!!! I believe that the "SPOT" thing is overated. General area is OK. Someone asks, where were you, "east of the Maull"-- leaves a lot of room. No coordinates! Thats all most want to know. Start with, you can drop a line about anywhere in the bay, and catch a striper now. "TOTW" is what really helps.

Red_Cherokee
04-25-2004, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bitemebait:
Sunny, Paz and R&R, I hope your coolers are full of fish all year!! Rules do stink but without them people like that "flag waver" would wreak chaos over the good people. Sorta like a terrorist.

Hey Finaddict, did you ever get to fish that spot or did ya just cause a bunch of trouble?! LOL :rolleyes: :D

www.johnbethfish@hotmail.com (http://www.johnbethfish@hotmail.com) tongue.gif

Whomever wants to can email me when they're not busy drinking the beer that's in their coolers in order to make room for the fish, or doing volunteer work on behalf of their country, or buying their daughters new socks. ;) [/.

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Red_Cherokee
04-25-2004, 01:20 PM
p.s. what flag do you wave? if it isn't the one you see above, why not leave? go see how the rules elsewhere play out, now post a valid e-mail so I don't have to come to a freakin golf course.

sunnydaze
04-25-2004, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
[QUOTE]. I'll just come to the CC bar instead and wag the flag in your face while I explain what an a$$ you are. I wave the American flag too. But for the right reason. Freedom. The minute you tell me what I can and can't do I believe you are encroaching on those rights. Name calling will get you nowhere with someone who can present a logical and valid argument. Tight lines. ;)

sunnydaze
04-25-2004, 04:32 PM
PS: CC = Country club ? :D :D :D :D

I just caught that. :D If you only knew... :rolleyes: Anytime you are up for an all day hike chasing deer, pheasant or trout I'll show you my muddy, rocky, thicket, deer tick infested country club. I share. :D

PSS: I would not post emails directly to a webpage as there are bots that read the pages and strip email addresses out for spammers.

Red_Cherokee
04-25-2004, 07:05 PM
:D

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racquet2
04-25-2004, 07:58 PM
Granted, I'm new to the board but not fishing and life in general. While it may be an intresting read, this thread is going bad and reminds me of work..."Play nice or I'll have to put you in time-out." Grow-up, move on, let it go. You only get one cast at life, make it a good one.

sunnydaze
04-25-2004, 08:56 PM
Yeah, you're right, life IS too short.

One moment please: Logic inserted. :eek:

Ok I'm better now, keep up the good work and have a nice day Red_Cherokee. smile.gif

Red_Cherokee
04-25-2004, 09:30 PM
:D

R & R
04-25-2004, 09:34 PM
Wow is that the new thing to do post some crap & then edit it before the thread gets the lock :confused: ?R&R

sunnydaze
04-25-2004, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by R & R:
Wow is that the new thing to do post some crap & then edit it before the thread gets the lock :confused: ?R&R Hmmmm, yes, we should let interested parties know where I was told to insert my logic as I am still unable to sit down. :D

finaddict5
04-26-2004, 03:47 AM
Damn, all this mess over a fishing spot and we did'nt even get a bite at the infamous site. LMAO Hey Chum/John thanks for the river info. I'll probably try the Tpk. Bridge or Trenton area on Wednesday. Hey Red, I got your email and it sounded kind of hostile? Chill out dude! If you want to email me in the future, please make it some hot spots on the river. I need all the help I can get there. :D

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Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 07:41 AM
The entire time I've been a member here we haven't posted "spots" I guess the Mods don't care about enforcing it in here, who knows. Fin, my e-mail was in response to you calling me a JO on the board. Instead of airing out on the board I chose to e-mail you. Take it any way you want. The other 2 morons are insignificant and don't warrant a response.

Sheet_Da_Bed
04-26-2004, 09:00 AM
Whomever wants to can email me when they're not busy drinking the beer that's in their coolers in order to make room for the fish, or doing volunteer work on behalf of their country, or buying their daughters new socks. ;) [/QB][/QUOTE]

what's all this about buying their daughter new socks?! do you really want to involve me in this?! :mad: please think before you post...

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 09:27 AM
Chit the bed I think your socks are wonderful I caught a pair just like them at the Commador Barry Bridge a little south on the N.J. side with blood worms and a 7/o hook on the top of the outgoing tide. :D and a dingaling next to me but I had to drink more to fit them in the cooler because of the length of the tose tongue.gif

Chit don't let them get to you your pop will get mad enough for both of you :D :D tongue.gif

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Sheet_Da_Bed
04-26-2004, 09:43 AM
That's pretty funny... :D :D Me and my toes will see you on Thursday... :D Yuengling or what?!

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 09:47 AM
I'm not mad, just take offense to the double standard "rules" in here and some internet cowboys who like to call people JO's & DH's while they hide. If the bartender knows what's good for her she won't bait sheet da bed.....she'll be biting off alot more than she'll ever chew in that bait trap of hers. I'll deal with you on Thursday Cappy. :D

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 09:54 AM
I ain't afraid I got my watch dog comin fresh from Africa. tongue.gif

Your not mad, Hell I can hear you screamin now :D

I know what you mean about draggin others into the war though. I drag Ricie in to alot sometimes and And they had the at the split above the Burlinton Bristol yesterday

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 09:54 AM
Always the Barn Newbies.....They dont get it....and dont spend enough time on the water to get it.


John, Chill with the posting of river spots. Be considerate of people that fish there often ;)

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:00 AM
Hip I hate to tell you but I fish these spots in a 17ft palm beach. I am 4 miles from the river and 1 from the lake in Oxford Valley, 2 from Silver Lake and 5 from Core Creek. I don't just fish salt water. Plus I cover Core Creek when working so we like the sun in the afternoon in the corner near the dam just under the overhanging trees with a mepps spinner.

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 10:03 AM
Just get the freakin diesels to stop spewing pollution......I don't want to be sucking fumes all day. I quit smoking.....remember?

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 10:04 AM
John, John, John,.....a 17' Palm Beach? Why arnt you running backwater charters??

As for posting spots....I give up....knock yourself out...lol

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 10:04 AM
Hip, I guess I'm wrong here, where are the MODS? You are right, always the newbies. I just don't get it.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:06 AM
Why tell what you caught if your not going to help someone out if they ask? Do you think a wed afternoon at 1pm will be anymore crowded on the river by posting a spot, I doudt it and weekends are a joke anywhere.

The Hot Dog is a secret tuner spot but only the 400 boats there on saturday know it but on a wed only 50 know it. What happend to the other 350 boats? Oh wait its a weekday less traffic. :eek: :cool:

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
John, John, John,.....a 17' Palm Beach? Why arnt you running backwater charters??

As for posting spots....I give up....knock yourself out...lol Its for river fishin I supply the salt boat my mate has the fresh boat. tongue.gif I have even been seen fishin the sod bank, beach, pier and a bridge or two but I just don't wear all the patches to show it. :D

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
Just get the freakin diesels to stop spewing pollution......I don't want to be sucking fumes all day. I quit smoking.....remember? If they ain't leakin they ain't workin, I didn't coomplain when you smoked now I'm bringing Mullaney thurs with my new watch dog and we are going to fish the mouth of Raccon Creek just north of the Nuclear Plant it has produced too. :D

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by THECHUMSTAIN:
I ain't afraid I got my watch dog comin fresh from Africa. tongue.gif

Your not mad, Hell I can hear you screamin now :D

I know what you mean about draggin others into the war though. I drag Ricie in to alot sometimes and And they had the at the split above the Burlinton Bristol yesterday Watchdog or girlfriend? ;) tongue.gif I don't scream, I take aim and fire. :D Turkey for you, who's mating Thursday? I'll be wearing golf shoes onboard on Thursday so I can get a good grip in the pit.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:15 AM
The creek across from the old coal plant on the river north of the Betsy (Orthodox St.) The docks are there but very shallow and hold monster carp with homemade corn meal mix and caddies on hot dogs and old shrimp. ;)

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:16 AM
You'll need golf shoes for when I drop you off at the jetty sneakers are slippery. AHHA Chit you can stay and fish Mullaney and your dad can share a shoe each to get off the jetty. :D tongue.gif

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Sheet_Da_Bed
04-26-2004, 10:19 AM
Thanks for making me laugh on a Monday mornin' :D

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:19 AM
Talkin about rocks the Frankford creek where it comes out between the Betsy and the train bridge is a great striper spot on white pearch with an outgoing it makes a nice eddie and they get fired up, Pheasant up in the brush also for you hunters. :D ;) Hip I grew up a mile from those spots. :D

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 10:22 AM
Mullaney!!?? Thursday!!?? Oh Christ, this just gets better. Fine, no golf shoes, I'll wear engineer boots I motor oiled yesterday. Can you taste ex-lax in a hoagie? AHHA!!!!! :D

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 10:23 AM
And we want our new hats and shirts. Where are they?

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:24 AM
Exlax Oh boy I'll eat it before I leave the dock

Did I tell you the Chitter is off the boat and we need to go in a bucket. tongue.gif I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by THECHUMSTAIN:
Why tell what you caught if your not going to help someone out if they ask? Do you think a wed afternoon at 1pm will be anymore crowded on the river by posting a spot, I doudt it and weekends are a joke anywhere.

The Hot Dog is a secret tuner spot but only the 400 boats there on saturday know it but on a wed only 50 know it. What happend to the other 350 boats? Oh wait its a weekday less traffic. :eek: :cool: What if NOBODY talked about the bite there to anyone. I know thats not realistic. But if it was... How many boats do you think would be out there then?? I dont even fish offshore and I know where the bite is hot usally. All I am saying is some poor shlubs may fish a location exclusivly. Every boat or person that comes up to it is another thorn in some guys butt.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
And we want our new hats and shirts. Where are they? I left them near the Neshaminy creek about 200 yards south just off the bank in 15 feet of water and they can be had with herring chunks or live. :D I know alot of river spots don't I :D

I think I have covered from Trenton to Salem in two days here.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by THECHUMSTAIN:
:D ;) Hip I grew up a mile from those spots. :D Whats that have to do with posting locations?? I know of one place you posted that I and a freind fish. He has been out there every chance I get and if he saw that he would be really pissed as he is worse than anyone I know about spots being posted. All I am saying is it is about consideration for others. Plain and Simple...thats it in a nut shell.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THECHUMSTAIN:
Why tell what you caught if your not going to help someone out if they ask? Do you think a wed afternoon at 1pm will be anymore crowded on the river by posting a spot, I doudt it and weekends are a joke anywhere.

The Hot Dog is a secret tuner spot but only the 400 boats there on saturday know it but on a wed only 50 know it. What happend to the other 350 boats? Oh wait its a weekday less traffic. :eek: :cool: What if NOBODY talked about the bite there to anyone. I know thats not realistic. But if it was... How many boats do you think would be out there then?? I dont even fish offshore and I know where the bite is hot usally. All I am saying is some poor shlubs may fish a location exclusivly. Every boat or person that comes up to it is another thorn in some guys butt. </font>[/QUOTE]Yes but its not their land it is a free country and they paid for a license to fish. So if there was no big compatition to be the BIG HONCHO AND POST BIG NUMBERS IN SECRET SPOTS there would be not hostilities towards sharing OUR RESOURCE just above the Ben Franklin on the jersey side on the out going at the north end of the island and the incoming at the south end of the island where the tank storage is. :D

I don't go for the secret chit don't want people to fish where you are don't post reports, the private property called the UNTIED STATES is free to fish leagally by anyone who chooses to fish in that SPOT. tongue.gif

I have been off cafine for a week and a day now and I have more energy somehow :D

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 10:34 AM
Who needs a head? I'll go on the comfy couch. Go to the creek and retrieve our stuff or I'll bring Mullaney on all my trips.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 10:35 AM
OK....but why bring more attention to a place when most people like to see not so many people there? Its not about greed...its about being able to fish somewhere that isnt crowded. Whats that have to do with freedom or legal fishing??

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THECHUMSTAIN:
:D ;) Hip I grew up a mile from those spots. :D Whats that have to do with posting locations?? I know of one place you posted that I and a freind fish. He has been out there every chance I get and if he saw that he would be really pissed as he is worse than anyone I know about spots being posted. All I am saying is it is about consideration for others. Plain and Simple...thats it in a nut shell. </font>[/QUOTE]Pissed at what its not his river, and it is a good spot but I also posted 10 others, The guy asked for a good spot to fish thats all. I gave him a few to fish but since I named SOMEONES SPOT its wrong? I guess I can't use that spot anymore either. :mad: damn spot thieves.

Hip save your fingers on this one I am a sharer of information and will never hide infor from people and you can ask anyone. If I don't want someone to know something I don't post a report plain and simple.

I guess the jetties are a secret also, how did the koreans find out who leaked that spot.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 10:44 AM
So what your saying is the places you dont want to let out are OK..because YOU didnt post a report?? What about all the spots you posted that people didnt post reports about because THEY wanted to keep it quiet??

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 10:45 AM
John, We didn't make the rule on the BB, the boss did. He did it for a reason. He also won't let unpaid advertisers post their wares either, that is also a rule. Also done for a reason. That's our point, I know you get it, you just are bored at work and want to twist some nutz. It only causes crap like this. I'm done, cya Thursday Bud.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 10:49 AM
Dont worry Red....Im bored to. You are right...Ron has stated quite a few times that he dosnt want specific spots posted but people continue to do it. It makes the site look real bad.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
OK....but why bring more attention to a place when most people like to see not so many people there? Its not about greed...its about being able to fish somewhere that isnt crowded. Whats that have to do with freedom or legal fishing?? It has to do with freedom, people don't want crowds and get hostile when people show up thats not free thats aggrivation they are legal to fish the Delaware River with a Pa fishing license or N.J. side with a legal N.J. fishing license so who is anyone to think it is there spot. It is anyones spot on the river to fish move if you don't want company and find another secret spot on the river then when a boat goes by sees you catch one and tells all his buddies then they fish there its won't be a secret anymore.

Tell all the bait and tackle shops to stop telling customers where to fish Brinkmans gives the Commadore Barry out all the time Why not they have caught fish there for years he also tells them about the Trento area it all depends on what you buy and what technique you are fishin with. I think that is called sharing infor too but its ok whent he tackle shop you buy your bait from does it. tongue.gif

Last time I checked the Delaware River conected to the Pond and they were both on all the maps so where's the secret? ;) I gave locations out not private property keys god I wish I had my GPS here at the Puter. I may go over to the boat and get some numbers next I have them in the plotter :eek: :D

Who started this post? Welcome to the Barn you ever need spots I'll hook you up :D

I'm telling the RFA to never give another seminar again, because its not right to educate people and give them secrets to catching fish.

Bob Ransom and Fred stop having TV shows too its not right giving info out. You too Gearge P. your all thieves tongue.gif :D

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
John, We didn't make the rule on the BB, the boss did. He did it for a reason. He also won't let unpaid advertisers post their wares either, that is also a rule. Also done for a reason. That's our point, I know you get it, you just are bored at work and want to twist some nutz. It only causes crap like this. I'm done, cya Thursday Bud. Specific spots, south of the Commadore Barry Bridge can be the tip of the Baltimore Canyon

Orthodox street is specific

The jetty is not but if I would have said the Cape May Jetty with all the Koreans tog fishin then thats specific.


I think you missed the community part when you read the Barn stuff, communities stick together and our newest member asked where to sign up for basket ball and I told Him a few playground to play that were good. :D

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:02 AM
blah, blah, blah....you can have the last word this time smile.gif

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:04 AM
Penn Warner club is a good spot but it is private tell your buddy to join that and he won't be crowded but the Delaware River is not private property and is free to fish for those with a license. :D tongue.gif


Hip are you one of those guys on the beach who changes their lure when someone walks by so they don't see the secret colors of the day :eek: :D I know a few who do that its great to be so good isn't it, god forbid someone help a guy out.

Hey Red I ain't takin you to the secret spot I fished Sat. I was all by my self AHHA I'll take you with the crowd Oh wait they caught too, damn it didn't matter where you fished. tongue.gif :D

surf cowboy
04-26-2004, 11:04 AM
Hip:

WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!

WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!

(sob) (sob) (sob)

WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

(sniffle, sniffle)

:D

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:06 AM
SC, blah blah blah........blah.......blah, blah

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:07 AM
Yeh John, I do that....all the time. By that remark its quite obviuous you dont get it. You can have the last word....its OK...you win...post away.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
So what your saying is the places you dont want to let out are OK..because YOU didnt post a report?? What about all the spots you posted that people didnt post reports about because THEY wanted to keep it quiet?? I baited you, I never not posted a report skunked or not tongue.gif Honest fisherman I R.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:10 AM
OK, You got me...your a linguistic genious...LMAO....How would I know if you dont post a report?? Arnt you biassed since your charter business depends on your success? So basically you have to post reports and you are just trying to justify it?? Oops! Did you get me again?

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
Yeh John, I do that....all the time. By that remark its quite obviuous you dont get it. You can have the last word....its OK...you win...post away. I didn't mean you do it I type in run on sentences so I failed english. I asked if you did but since you said YEH i guess my run on was correct you lure hidin beach fishin snob tongue.gif :D


I have a spot in the shorekill too but I haven't fished that one in years.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:11 AM
Oh wait...i said you could have the last word...go ahead...its all yours ;)

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:13 AM
I hold it down in the water actually....actually I fish at night so people cant see...when they ask I kick sand at them and tell them to piss off! Ok Now you can have the last word.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:15 AM
I have a big chest to put all those pins for each fish on my jacket. :D Nah I'd rather just fish but some people like to see their pictures on the internet, The reports I don't post are none barn groups really, If they don't post I don't unless they want to become new members and brag I don't need to brag hell most on here didn't know me from chit until TIGGER2 reported on me so its his falt I am here. :D ;)

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
I hold it down in the water actually....actually I fish at night so people cant see...when they ask I kick sand at them and tell them to piss off! Ok Now you can have the last word. Now I know what the guy in the shop ment when he said there was a rabbit bull on the beach trying to chase me from his food. tongue.gif

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:18 AM
Why are you justifying what you do? I am just busting your stones ;)

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:19 AM
What the hell is a rabbit bull? LOL

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:19 AM
I want a pic!

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
Why are you justifying what you do? I am just busting your stones ;) ???????? I missed that one, bustin mine I didn't even feel it, go find Mullaney.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:21 AM
LOL....Mullaney must be home sick or in a meeeting...maybe they caught his azz and took away his net.

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
I want a pic! http://www.hoofprints.ws/Web.BullRiding3.31.jpg

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 11:26 AM
Wheres the rabbit??

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 11:30 AM
I couldn't find a bull slobbering :mad:

This was a spot on the beach, must have been a tourney and he took a look over your shoulder at your lure :D

R & R
04-26-2004, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
You are right, always the newbies. I just don't get it. Now this is just to funny"newbies".What to many weggies in highschool make you bitter?It's ok your around friend in here.We'll keep you safe.Now open up & tell us why it really hurts. :D R&R

BIGGESTJACK
04-26-2004, 11:48 AM
HIP--IT WAS BADFINGER WHO TOLD THE KOREANS ABOUT THE JETTIES I HERD HIM SAY IT AFTER HE SOLD THEM THE CATS FROM THE DOCK.
NO MORE BAIT MISSING BUT I PURR AFTER I EAT THERE AND MEOW INSTEAD OF BURP.

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by R & R:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
You are right, always the newbies. I just don't get it. Now this is just to funny"newbies".What to many weggies in highschool make you bitter?It's ok your around friend in here.We'll keep you safe.Now open up & tell us why it really hurts. :D R&R </font>[/QUOTE]Happy now Darrin?

[ 04-26-2004, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Red_Cherokee ]

on the hook
04-26-2004, 12:01 PM
AIN'T GONNA BE LONG NOW!!!!. Best spot is across from Cadilac(sp), 134 yds from Pa side, below the 3rd branch of sunken tree. I and about 14,654 people have heard of it. Never see anyone there though. If you say you caught them in the horseshoe, aren't you posting a spot? East of the maull, or west of one? Hell, for that matter Del Bay. If someone catches a world record today, "south of the bug", tommorrow there will be 1000 boats strung through 20' slough. I know guys that "follow" other boats out!!!. They are trying to eliminate looking. TOTW. Thats it.

surf cowboy
04-26-2004, 01:11 PM
Hip:

:D

Now you know I wuz jus' pickin'...

jim rosen
04-26-2004, 01:17 PM
are you people just bored or do you just type this crap to practice your typing skills- nobody cares about the spot thing anymore you guys are just rediculous-like 4th gradersd fighting on the playground over whos going to bat first -you sound like a bunch of rookies- get a life move on- theirs a 1000 miles of shores to fish from and nothing guarantees your going to catch fish from any spot-just stop with the spot thing-post whatever the hell you want to post and move with on with your lives-jesus _ _ _ _ _ _ !! if anybody wants any spots near the philadelphia airport where they can catch striped bass (I know dozens) let me know nothing turns me on more then putting somebody on striped bass

bassvamp
04-26-2004, 02:06 PM
Anybody see DING?

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by surf cowboy:
Hip:

:D

Now you know I wuz jus' pickin'... Me too man ;) ....I have been using quick responce and I dont know how to make the emotion cons to well....but you been around...you know how it is ;)

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 03:12 PM
Biggest, I thought I saw Scott out there giving a fishing clinic!

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by jim rosen:
are you people just bored or do you just type this crap to practice your typing skills- nobody cares about the spot thing anymore you guys are just rediculous-like 4th gradersd fighting on the playground over whos going to bat first -you sound like a bunch of rookies- get a life move on- theirs a 1000 miles of shores to fish from and nothing guarantees your going to catch fish from any spot-just stop with the spot thing-post whatever the hell you want to post and move with on with your lives-jesus _ _ _ _ _ _ !! if anybody wants any spots near the philadelphia airport where they can catch striped bass (I know dozens) let me know nothing turns me on more then putting somebody on striped bass Jim, Youy only have 55 post...you cant play yet ;)

THECHUMSTAIN
04-26-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by hipkvw:
Biggest, I thought I saw Scott out there giving a fishing clinic! No that was at the clinic getting treatment :D

Reds like the cassanova of the barn he's had everybodies mother and wife. tongue.gif :D tongue.gif

Not airport spots, oh my god here we go now. :eek: :D

TWIN D'S
04-26-2004, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
John, We didn't make the rule on the BB, the boss did. He did it for a reason. That's not true. There is no such rule about posting anything about locations. He may have suggested it, but it's not a rule. Unless someone failed to tell me. There is a moderator here who has such a rule, but that's all I know of.

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by jim rosen:
are you people just bored or do you just type this crap to practice your typing skills- nobody cares about the spot thing anymore you guys are just rediculous-like 4th gradersd fighting on the playground over whos going to bat first -you sound like a bunch of rookies- get a life move on- theirs a 1000 miles of shores to fish from and nothing guarantees your going to catch fish from any spot-just stop with the spot thing-post whatever the hell you want to post and move with on with your lives-jesus _ _ _ _ _ _ !! if anybody wants any spots near the philadelphia airport where they can catch striped bass (I know dozens) let me know nothing turns me on more then putting somebody on striped bass Glad we have a bona fide grown up like Jim around to tell us how to act. Now if he learns to spell he can teach us that too.

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by TWIN D'S:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
John, We didn't make the rule on the BB, the boss did. He did it for a reason. That's not true. There is no such rule about posting anything about locations. He may have suggested it, but it's not a rule. Unless someone failed to tell me. There is a moderator here who has such a rule, but that's all I know of. </font>[/QUOTE]No problem then, I'll post spots.....as long as I've been a member it's been taboo, if it is now acceptable so be it.....who wants some spots?

surf cowboy
04-26-2004, 04:35 PM
Hip:

It is so funny when those new to the board see all these posts and think there's actually an argument going on!!

They don't realize that there's more bait out there than what's on the end of their line!!

You ready for the NO BONES?

NIGHTSTRIKES
04-26-2004, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by TWIN D'S:
There is a moderator here who has such a rule, but that's all I know of. Hey, I resemble that remark :D

And Apparently Most of our Members Think So
Also..

Do you think spots should be posted???
Choose 1
Yes 30% (59)
No 39% (77)
Maybe 26% (52)
Yes, but I don't because the fish do move you know!!! 6% (11)
How specific should a posting of spots be???
Choose 1
No specifics at all 8% (16)
General area 60% (120)
Lay out some clues and real fishermen will find it 25% (49)
Give them out to the 3rd digit after the decimal point 7% (14)

-----------------------------------------------
It's All Good, Everyone Finds Out Sooner or Later
What Happen's Here in N.J. ;)

Darrin G. DGREENEMACHINE
04-26-2004, 05:44 PM
And here I thought there was some valuable information in here what with 100 posts on one thread.... I should have known once I saw the word "spots".

Anyone notice the new guy is nowhere to be found... I did...

He's probably got us all classified in one bucket now. Thx for making him think everyone involved in this community are a bunch of name calling finger pointing a##holes.

Crap like this is bad for business.

Sometimes I think we have some self appointed moderators around here that should be controlled a bit.

If you have something to say please at least be polite about it, don't point fingers, call names or any of the above offensive activities.

And MOST OF ALL don't run off new members. Those of us who support this site with our money could use to have some new members around now and again.

If you like being here I suggest you try and promote new memberships, which might mean you have to let something slide now and again instead of climbing all over a guy on his second post like a bunch of freaking bulldogs.

99% of the people on here are on here for free because of the advertising $$ that support this site.

Keep running off new members and suddenly you're running off new business. Sooner or later people stop advertising. Sooner or later the 99% have to pay to play...

Maybe I'm wayyy down the road somewhere but I've seen countless new members run off by this BS all winter long.

Let's at least be polite about it and why don't we let the moderators do their jobs instead of jumping in and doing it for them. They are moderators because they know how to craft responses in such a way as to get a point accross without chasing people away!

jim rosen
04-26-2004, 05:54 PM
mr red cherokee. I am glad you are concerned about my life but i am not cincerned about yours.you seem too protrude more negativity then anyone else here on the barn.Is your life that empty that you need to be involved in the lives of others, is nobody man enough to just say everybody shut-up go to work,get off your computer and get a life.The barn was created to GIVE INFORMATION about fishing, its made up of other fisherman who quest for the giant striped bass, other fisherman who wont abuse the environment.I dont mind seeing a fellow environmentalist (boy that was tough to spell, maybe mister cherokee could check that for me) slash fisherman fishing in MY spot as long as his intentions were that of mine.By the way, do you drive a red cherokee, because I see the american flag waving in your box yet you drive a vehicle made in Mexico? funny aint it?If you do not drive one then i apologize.hipkv those 55 post are only under this name.I,ve been on the barn for over three years now and have told perhaps 300 people about the barn including every customer I sell a car too.However i dont not tell people who may abuse the environment or who may exploit the barn.
MR. CHEROKEE I dont have too worry about spelling because I OWN MY COMPANY.

jim rosen
04-26-2004, 05:57 PM
Now, cant we all just fish, theres only 80 million of them out there,that should be enough,right?

TWIN D'S
04-26-2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by NIGHTSTRIKES:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TWIN D'S:
There is a moderator here who has such a rule, but that's all I know of. Hey, I resemble that remark :D

And Apparently Most of our Members Think So
Also..

Do you think spots should be posted???
Choose 1
Yes 30% (59)
No 39% (77)
Maybe 26% (52)
Yes, but I don't because the fish do move you know!!! 6% (11)
How specific should a posting of spots be???
Choose 1
No specifics at all 8% (16)
General area 60% (120)
Lay out some clues and real fishermen will find it 25% (49)
Give them out to the 3rd digit after the decimal point 7% (14)

-----------------------------------------------
It's All Good, Everyone Finds Out Sooner or Later
What Happen's Here in N.J. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Steve, the poll may be accurate in that it reflects the opinions of those that voted. And I realize that the Homeport Thread is a special circumstance. But it appears that what I'm starting to see is what Darrin pointed out, guys just inventing their own rules and enforcing them on behalf of RonR when no such rule exists. At least I'm not aware of any such rule. But hey, maybe that's the way Ron wants it and he just hasn't told me about it. :D

Darrin, I pretty much agree with your hypothetical scenario.

With that being said, anyone can post anything they want in the Delaware Bay forum as long as it abides by the user agreement. :D good fishing!!!

Phil

NIGHTSTRIKES
04-26-2004, 06:20 PM
I agree Phil,Yes Its Getting A Little Out Of
Hand With Some of the responses to new members
from existing members.We need to educate and
not Dictate....
And the Homeport Forum is different when it comes
to posting Spots when the majority of its posters and readers are land based fishermen.
Thats why I need have a so-called rule on this
subject.
Hope To See You Around Sometime Soon ;)

[ 04-26-2004, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: NIGHTSTRIKES ]

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 06:24 PM
Thanks for all that info Jim, I won't respond to any of it, don't want to put out any negative vibes. Now, you want some spots Jim or what? :D

BIGGESTJACK
04-26-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by racquet2:
Granted, I'm new to the board but not fishing and life in general. While it may be an intresting read, this thread is going bad and reminds me of work..."Play nice or I'll have to put you in time-out." Grow-up, move on, let it go. You only get one cast at life, make it a good one. W2--WELCOME AND THIS TWO SHALL PASS,THEY DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS BUTMOST AREFRIENDS SO SIT BACK AND ENJOY. GOOD FISHING

Brian E. Mullaney
04-26-2004, 06:35 PM
We need to educate and
not Dictate....


AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!

Brian E. Mullaney
04-26-2004, 06:38 PM
39d 00.500 75d 02.500 :D

it was hot there Dec 13th, 1941 on the outgoing

BIGGESTJACK
04-26-2004, 06:40 PM
AND THEN THERE WAS PEACE ACROSS THE LAND.

hipkvw
04-26-2004, 06:44 PM
Me and Chumstain were busting each others stones...no big deal. I never addressed the new guy. Newbies dont understand but they usually catch on. I used to try to explain but I gave up long ago ....too many people to explain to anymore. Its always the same thing....people come in and try to make the people who dont want spots posted look like evil spot whorders when its been explained 1 million times...thats not the case. This whole thread was mostly a conversation between a few people that got misconstrued by others....its always the same others that jump in and say something.......hhmmmmmmm....its always the DELAWARE BAY CHUNKERS!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL....Leave us "little spot havers" Alone!!!!!! OK OK..im joking around..if the newbies cant take a suggestion to keep the spots thing on the down low...they wont survive around here anyway.

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 06:50 PM
I give up, I surrender......didn't know fisherman had feelings. I'm getting back in line where I belong. :D :D

Darrin G. DGREENEMACHINE
04-26-2004, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by R & R:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red_Cherokee:
You are right, always the newbies. I just don't get it. Now this is just to funny"newbies".What to many weggies in highschool make you bitter?It's ok your around friend in here.We'll keep you safe.Now open up & tell us why it really hurts. :D R&R </font>[/QUOTE]Cause I didn't use graphite grease on your ole lady. How's that DH? </font>[/QUOTE]I haven't met you Red, but I don't get you.

This place doesn't need statements like that one. Nor does any other place for that matter.

And don't bother threatening me it doesn't work.

If you have a point to make please make it, but let's ease up on the insults?

And no I'm not moderating I'm just asking you to please calm down and quit making the rest of us look like A-holes!

Unfortunately it seems our actions rub off on one another since we're all part of this community.

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 06:54 PM
It's a legitimate response to his question Darrin.

Red_Cherokee
04-26-2004, 06:56 PM
Threatening you? Lighten up pal, try some decaf.

RodFather
04-26-2004, 07:17 PM
Alright this thread had enough!