VA Enforcing The EEZ

[TWIN D'S]

Saw this elsewhere;

Good for them. I've been hearing reports of the MD charter guys in Rudee fishing well over the line for a few weeks. Most of them are taking 2 trips a day well over the line and keeping limits both trips. Many of the local charter capts. I talk to have been upset about this as they are fishing inside the legal waters and not catching nearly what the illegal guys are catching. This has been reported to the Marine Patrol many times and I'm glad to see them finally following up on the complaints. I hope this bust sends a strong message to all the others that are fishing illegally.

I'm not sure the how the state guys are enforcing laws where they have no jurisdiction?

[Brian E. Mullaney]

Maybe they wait till there back insude the EEZ then nab em?????

[Brian E. Mullaney]

VA is the stripers WORST enemy by far.

[TWIN D'S]

Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
Maybe they wait till there back insude the EEZ then nab em????? Can't nab 'em in state waters if they have a legal limit.

[capt. ed]

Seems like they could nab 'em if they "observe" them violating the regs.

[TWIN D'S]

I found out VMRC guys are deputized by the USCG.

[KRAYFISH]

Twin D's You are correct. This is enabled by a Joint Enforcement Agreement which the state and the feds have approved. If the Senate version of the Magnuson/Stevens reauthorization is enacted, it will be formalized by legislation.....Gene

[Brian E. Mullaney]

Originally posted by TWIN D'S:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
Maybe they wait till there back insude the EEZ then nab em????? Can't nab 'em in state waters if they have a legal limit. </font>[/QUOTE]I was thinking more of a border patrol smile.gif

[Bob ECT]

See FishPicker, other States enforce it.

[PhilCVG]

Originally posted by Bob ECT:
See FishPicker, other States enforce it. yep, on to the next topic. How does VMRC get the money for enforcement???? :D tongue.gif For ALL who want the EEZ enforced, do ya' wanna' pay to have your stripers protected?? :D :D :D tongue.gif

[TWIN D'S]

That was me, not my son. ;)

[Brian E. Mullaney]

Originally posted by PhilCVG:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bob ECT:
See FishPicker, other States enforce it. yep, on to the next topic. How does VMRC get the money for enforcement???? :D tongue.gif For ALL who want the EEZ enforced, do ya' wanna' pay to have your stripers protected?? :D :D :D tongue.gif </font>[/QUOTE]we already are and the answer is yes

[Fishpicker]

" we already are and the answer is yes "


??????? We as in NJ ?????

[TWIN D'S]

Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
we already are and the answer is yes Brian, VA has a saltwater license, that's how they can afford the manpower to enforce the laws. I'm wondering how many guys in NJ would favor a saltwater license if that's what it would take to more stridently enforce the laws we already have on the books??

[Fishpicker]

See the problem that most are missing. Is that besides a trivial fine there is nothing really at stake. If there was a from of SWFL or somehow tied in with the DMV so any violation would show up on the drivers license. Then there is some accountability, until then something that is very enforceable will very little to never be enforced.

[TI Guys]

Originally posted by TWIN D'S:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
we already are and the answer is yes Brian, VA has a saltwater license, that's how they can afford the manpower to enforce the laws. I'm wondering how many guys in NJ would favor a saltwater license if that's what it would take to more stridently enforce the laws we already have on the books?? </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'd love a saltwater license if its fee would go to protection of our fisheries. Chances are, in New Jersey, it would be spent in all the wrong places...

[Bob ECT]

Originally posted by Fishpicker:
See the problem that most are missing. Is that besides a trivial fine there is nothing really at stake. Trival fine? What's the fine for a Charter Boat out there? What the per fish $ for privates?

Why would anyone assume that any license money would pay for enforcement. We already have an HMS license, what do we get for that?

I believe VA is one of the States that gives back money from fuel taxes for boats. That's alot more then they take in for a license. Since NJ doesn't give us back that money how about they just use it for F&G?

[ 12-23-2005, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Bob ECT ]

[Bob ECT]

Also the license issue should be dead now. It's already done and decided.

[aj bruno]

The License would be a waste. Like everything else they would say the funds would go towards fishing etc. Then the money would be used to buy needles for crack addicts.

[Fishpicker]

Gentlemen I agree that unless the monies are directed BACK into the fisheries Then yes we are pissin in the wind.

There is still zero accountability for committing a crime.

If it works in other states then why not here in NJ ???

Simple GREED

Trivial yes a slap on the wrist , compared to us that could potentially lose our permits meaning lose the business. That is how it should be !!!!!

[barrell]

Twin d's- For years nj f&w have been enforcing federal regs back at the dock e.g.sea clammers,scallop boats,longliners etc. A couple of years ago the feds aproached all the coastal states and offered to reimburse them for their time when doing federal work. The nj f&w officers keep a log and track hours devoted to time spent checking for tuna permits etc. They would do alot more offshore work if they had the manpower but more importantly the boats. Nj f&w has one old 25 parker all the rest of the officers are patrolling on boats under 20. Not quite what you need to head offshore and safely board sportsfisherman with. This is where a license would do the most good in getting theese guys a couple of boats that they could safely do the job offshore with and to pay for the fuel,docking ,and maintenance involved.
Barrell

[KRAYFISH]

The "Saltwater Registry" is also in the Senate version of the Magnuson/Stevens Reauthorization.If you want to hear more about this, come to the MAFMC meeting in Annapolis on January 17th at 2 P.M.at the Sheraton.

If you do come, let me know. I will be chairing the Magnuson/Stevens Act Reauthorization committee.

If you want to see the proposed bill in writing, send me an email sigma58@aol.com ......Gene

[ 12-24-2005, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: KRAYFISH ]

[Marcus]

Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
VA is the stripers WORST enemy by far. no I think that would be NC

[Marcus]

Originally posted by TWIN D'S:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
Maybe they wait till there back insude the EEZ then nab em????? Can't nab 'em in state waters if they have a legal limit. </font>[/QUOTE]I think they can as long as they observe them coming the EEZ. where it is illegal to be in possesion of them. If not I am sure they can detain them until the coast guard gets there.

[Bob ECT]

I saw that one of the boats was a charter that got the $10,000 fine

[Brian E. Mullaney]

Originally posted by Marcus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
VA is the stripers WORST enemy by far. no I think that would be NC </font>[/QUOTE]I think VA is worse VA takes by far the most bunker - thats what we need to feed all these younger bass and get em fat.

[Marcus]

Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Marcus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brian E. Mullaney:
VA is the stripers WORST enemy by far. no I think that would be NC </font>[/QUOTE]I think VA is worse VA takes by far the most bunker - thats what we need to feed all these younger bass and get em fat. </font>[/QUOTE]agreed VA has bunker problems but NC absolutely decimates the breeders all winter :( .....

by the way Omega is for sale the majority owner wants out...... :D

[TerryS]

Bob where did you see or hear of that $$ fine? was it state or feds.