Workin the RIPS

[JJS]

Has anyone found that leaving the boat running (at Idel)while drifting the rips, affects your catch? Just wondering.

[footy]

Never, well ,never that I noticed. Unless you're in the area that's three feet at LOW TIDE, and even then I doubt it.

[JJS]

Thanks for the reply. I did'nt think so either, but last week I was drifting and watching everyone catch but me. I finally got one but thought that could be the reason why. I had 6 guys each with a rod. if i did'nt keep it straight we would have been cutting out knots all day.

[Partnership]

JJS- I have seen many guys leave their motors idling- though I don't know why someone would want to do that and go over the area that they are dragging their baits through.

An exception would be those boats that desire to stay on the up-current side of the rip by bumping the boat in and out of gear.

[KRAYFISH]

I agree with Partnership. The only time I would do that, would be if the seas were snotty, and it was prudent for you to go into the rips nose first. It is much safer that way....Gene

[TheAdamBomb]

Absolutely yes. I turn the motor off every drift, every time. The only time I ever leave it running is to bump it through the rip if the wind is hard against the tide. Any sort of noise is always going to detract from your catch, especially in shallow water like there is in the rips. I have been on HOT bites, only to have someone drift through with their motor running and put the fish off. Shut her down.

[ 11-02-2004, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: TheAdamBomb ]

[POLAR]

ADAM BOMP, IS RIGHT ON WITH THIS ONE. SHUT THAT THING DOWN. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE AN OUTBOARD RUNNING OVER YOUR HEAD. THERE'S A HUNDRED AND ONE OTHER RIPS DOWN THERE THAT THE FISH CAN MOVE TOO. AND PLEASE DON'T RUN OVER THEIR HEADS WHEN RUNNING BACK FOR ANOTHER DRIFT. STAY OFF THE HEAD OF THE RIP...............................PLEASE!!!!!!!

[fishkiller2000]

Yeah definitely turn your motor OFF. I know a friend who is a scuba diver, and he can he motors running over him 40 feet down. So i'm pretty sure that you would want to shut your motor off. Why would keep it on anyway?

[MissAliss]

Can someone give me gps coordinates for the rips?
Thanks - Robert

[Capt Lew]

OFF! ;)

[Just Released 2]

I leave mine running all day and it has never affected my catch......with all the boats running over the fish, do you guys REALLY thinks it matters?.....not a chance!

[chunking]

Thats why I love holding the boat above the rip and letting the eel or bucktail hang right in their kitchen. Stripers don't even know I'm there.

We worry about how much noise a motor makes. What does it sound like when 20 - 40 foot fiberglass drums drift into the waves.

[Capt Lew]

Originally posted by MissAliss:
Can someone give me gps coordinates for the rips?
Thanks - Robert The rips are a very large area, with many different rip lines and different names. Get yourself a good Delaware Bay chart and you will see the rips off of Cape May. ;) Be careful out there, some areas can be very dangerous at low tide.(Prissy Wick) Also when running back to the top of the rip, go slowly and give respect to the other boats. Moving fast will shut the bite down. ;) Good Luck

[ 11-02-2004, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: Capt Lew ]

[TheAdamBomb]

Boats drifting through the rips make a heck of a lot less noise than motors idling overhead or boats running through them! Scuba or snorkel and you'll know what I mean. With the wave noise in the rips, the echo from the hull is pretty much inaudible. However, an engine idling or running overhead makes quite a racket! Yes, it makes a difference.

[Darrin G. DGREENEMACHINE]

You guys are reminding me why I stay up the bay away from the rest of the boats ;)

[striper2278]

I doesn't help at all...It can't hurt to have it off!

[Just Released 2]

the PRO's in cape may (SHADOW, PRIME TIME, TREEMENDOUS,ECT...) never turn there engines off. How can you turn them off when it is a little rough out there?......makes no sense when there are so many other boats passing by you as you go through the rip

[TheAdamBomb]

JR, Bobby, George, and Mark bump troll all the time. So, their engines aren't idling overhead of where the bite is. They know how to work the rip so as NOT to put the fish off the feed.

For boats that prefer drifting, engines OFF is the way to go.

[ 11-02-2004, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: TheAdamBomb ]

[striper2278]

Yeah, and they are fishing a totally different way! When drifting across I think it does make the difference at times! Bumping ahead of the Rip is something totally different...And we don't need too many more boats in CM doing it! They are the PRO'S!!!

[ 11-02-2004, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: striper2278 ]

[Sea Devil]

was with Timmay!! this spring and man its cool to see a guy work the rip like that .... using live bait and running above the rip til the rod bends double is awesome!!!

but i always shut engine down when going over the rip maybe a feeling of quieter is better but hey i like it and it works for me smile.gif

it cannot hurt to try different things i will stick to what works for me

[Just Released 2]

what about 4-strokes.....and why don't you guys like bumpin the rip?....is it because you can't have a rod in your hand while you are running the boat?

Capt. Jim

[fishkiller2000]

Look just released, even four strokes make plenty of noise underwater. just turn the motor off, even in rough seas, all you have to do is turn a key. Its not that big.

[MissAliss]

I have twin 200 hp 4 strokes on my boat...my farts are louder than the engines....I leave them on all the time.

Robert

[The Rod Bender]

I'm pulling up a chair for this one! ;)

Oh by the way "Motor off"

[ 11-02-2004, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: The Rod Bender ]

[striper2278]

Originally posted by Just Released 2:
what about 4-strokes.....and why don't you guys like bumpin the rip?....is it because you can't have a rod in your hand while you are running the boat?

Capt. Jim Capt Jim,

To be honest...That may be part of it! But when you can catch them drifting better then running your engine the whole day...Then why Bump it? Plus you don't see the Shadow, Prime Time Ect.. With more than 4 anglers at a time on most trips! Those guy's have got it nailed with the way they fish, but alot of guy's try to immatate what they are doing and just plain get in the way! Believe me Jim...If I wanted to do what they are doing...I could...but consideration for other boaters and just catching them on the drift is more fun to me and most people! Also Jim, I don't think that every boat that fishes in the RIPS has 4 strokes on the back! This is one of those "well it works for me" type deals! But in any type of fishing...the less noise the better. I mean what the hell do I know...I'm only down there 7 days a week 13 hrs a day! See ya on the weekend! smile.gif

[ 11-02-2004, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: striper2278 ]

[TheAdamBomb]

Capt. Jim, I will echo what Skip's post said...

I have fished next to Prime Time, Treemendous, Shadow, and whatever other Cape May charter operations you want to cite. Fact is, when it comes to bump trolling, those guys are the best. They know what they're doing. Like Skip said, a lot of guys try to replicate their approach, and CAN'T. All they do is get in the way or ruin the rip. One of the two. I fish down there everyday, as well, and although I have caught plenty of fish bumpin' the rip when conditions require it, I have caught MORE drifting the rip! Plus, the guys who fish with me on a regular basis that have both bumped and drifted prefer drifting CONSIDERABLY. We find it just plan more fun.

Finally, on the subject of four strokes...Sure, they are more quiet than two strokes above the water, but the bulk of their exhaust is still discharged through the prop hub and that is underwater, therefore making plenty of NOISE.

When drifting, the bottom line remains...shut it down.

[CaptG]

It's kinda difficult to bump troll w/ out twin inboards, w/ my old mako, i'd allways shut the motor off, if it was rough, i'd motor towards the the rip I wanted to hit, then shut the motor off so the boat entered the rip bow first, since i didn't want to take them broadside. W/ the twin inboard boat, much prefer to slide along the rip, though the problem is..I can't fish, so i go chunking now :D

[JJS]

Capt G- I have a twin inboard. Are you saying that you would leave them running and bump it in and out of gear? The reason I keep my boat running is to not only to keep the lines straight but also to control the drift. Some boats drift a bit faster then others. That causes a few problems if you have to haul your lines and start the engines as a situation occurs. I Guess I do it as more of a safty concern then anything else, yet I feel it does affect your catch. I have started a drift 500 yards away from a boat before the rip and ended a few feet away. I guess its kind of a catch 22...... (or not a catch at all) :D

[ 11-03-2004, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: JJS ]

[POLAR]

AND I'LL ECHO WHAT ADAM AND STALKER SAY. TWO STROKE OR FOUR STOKE, AN OUTBOARD IS AN OUTBOARD. WHEN YOU WINTERIZE THIS YEAR JUST LISTEN TO THE THING OUT OF THE WATER AND MAYBE YOU'LL GET IT. OUTBOARDS EXHAUST ARE FUNNELED THROUGH THE PROP HUB. INBOARDS ABOVE THE WATER, COME ON COMMON SENSE

[Captn Joe]

Shut em down, unless you feel there is a safety issue, as a Striped Bass is not worth dieing for, use your best judgement. Unfortunately, boats get flipped over each year, at Prissywicks, in my opinion, due to the vessel operator's poor judgement.

If you are getting spun, and feel unsafe, get the motors started and get yourself out of a jam.

With even big boats, I like NOT to run the Generator, to reduce the noise, no stereo, being stealthy is your best bet,
Captn Joe

[POLAR]

I THINK BASS DIG THE MUSIC JOE.

[SSawed]

There should be no doubt that quiet would be better as far as fish catching is concerned. However, I have noticed no difference in catches with engines running or not. That observation applies to inboard gas and diesel boats only. I have no experience with outboards.

Personally, I will not sacrifice my well-being by shutting down engines in Prissywick, unless it's approaching slack tide and the rips are starting to diminish. The shear number of boats that are willing to pile on top of you when hooked up is another reason I leave them running. I also agree with JustReleased's comment regarding all the other boats that are running past at any given time. Engine noise is just something we have to live with, or move away from the crowd.

I do try to compensate for the running engines by casting off to the side or behind the boat, which to me is no different than the "pros" powering back to a rip - at least as far as noise is concerned.

[MAKO19]

I have always shut of the outboard when going through the rip, but our center console does not know what the heck direction it wants to go through it. I'll set the boat up so we begin our drift sidways through the rip. Then as soon as we get to it the boat turns every which way and it sucks because we are constantly moving all over trying to keep our lines from going under the hull.
I have found that setting up for a drift in the same manner but with the engine turned all the way in either the left or right direction by bumping into forward or reverse I can keep the boat exaclty the way I want it through the rip. It is however annoying listening to that outboard all day I guess thats what the tunes are for.
I really hope the barn has adopted many new anglers who have read all these posts about how to run the rips and being curtious to other anglers fishing so we can all have a stress free productive season. Sometimes I feel like hucking a few 8 ox dipsies at people the way they are flying through there and getting right up on you if they see you boat a fish. We'll see waht happens.

[jbones11]

throw dipsies at capt jim on 'just released' he would appreciate that...either that or drift by and give a big fat moon that will make him smile a little while !

[Captn Joe]

jbones11,
now I know it must be the fall, seeing you over here. Last Friday, I had had it with one guy, who I can best describe as Skip and Adam say, "he was getting in the way" Then he would run straight across the rip where the fish were biting (sideways)kept blocking our drift. The other guys doing it there,( Prime Time - Treemendous, etc) - NO problem.

When do you want to go fishing with me?

POLAR,
I know Sharks like Led Zeppelin, every year I get a Mako, with Led Zeppelin playing, they actually prefer a certain song

Captn Joe

[ 11-03-2004, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: Captn Joe ]

[POLAR]

HEY JOE, THE TUNA SEEM TO LIKE THE DAVE MATTHEWS BAND.........EITHER CHUNKIN OR TROLLIN.........

[Libation]

I know the sodbank stripers like The Dead,and any
Rasta tunes!

[jumbo]

Nice report thanks.....

[ShoeB]

the fish don't care. there's enough noise from the water flow past the rip to drown out an idled motor. caught many multiple fish drifts on the same rip with the 3196's running and the same with the 175 Johnson.

[Just Released 2]

I am with you....shoeb.....just waiting to read about the poor sucker that flips @ prissy this year...with his engine off

[striper2278]

Originally posted by Just Released 2:
I am with you....shoeb.....just waiting to read about the poor sucker that flips @ prissy this year...with his engine off Yeah, in certain rips with a smaller boat maybe they should be left on! To each his on! But if your smart enough you'll stay away from the big nasty crap...no need to be there anyway! And it does make a differece, especially when you are the first one fishing the rip and others boats have there enigines running...I know for a fact that it effects it!

[ 11-06-2004, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: striper2278 ]

[tom cassidy]

small boat keep it runningif necessary. I`ve taken a lot of water drifting sideways or stern first. You must put your time in to get the feel or the experiance that you MUST have in RIPS. Take it slow at first------watch other boats and see what they are doing-------common sense works. I don`t go out of my way to go around a rip if it is crowded-------everyone else DOESN`T. Just my 2 cents.---------------Tom

[Get Some]

And thats why the bite isn't as good when it's crowded.

[John F.]

Me and a couple of other mid-Chesapeake Bay guys are running a boat down to the mouth of the Delaware Bay for a couple days of striper fishing. If anybody could give me a quick rundown of where "the rips" are, basically what's working (eeling, bunker chunking, jigging, trolling), and if there's any "courtesies" we should know about, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

[POLAR]

IT DOES EFFECT THE FISHIN, KEEP IT RUNNING OR RUN IT OVER A HUNDRED TIMES-----YOU WILL SURELY RUIN THE FISHIN..................DUMMIES

[DirtyBassHole]

hey,striper2278: first,everyone knows a licensed operator is only allowed to run a vessal 12 hours in any 24 hour period,not 13 as you stated.Also most of the "pros" were fishing out there before you could spell "rip".

[Just Released 2]

wow....we are still talkin about this....I had my boat out last sat., caught 16 bass in 1.5 hrs...only 2 bass were less than 28" the rest were all keeper( above the 34") and my boat was running the whole time.....I never said I went through the rip

Do you turn that diesel engine off everytime through?.......If so, you might wanna talk to a diesel mechanic, thats about the worst thing you can do to that engine,
Capt Jim

[Just Released 2]

Also, saw you guys bucktailing in prissy....all those fish were like 20" to 22".....I could save you alot of fuel and take you around the docks to catch them!

What happens if you fall in from that bow you lean over so much?

Capt Jim

[VDAWG]

DAMN, that just aint right !!
Guess its time they make room for the new aged pro's huh ?
The sheer numbers skip puts up speaks for itself.

[ 11-09-2004, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: VDAWG ]

[TI Guys]

I agree with Adambomb about the motor off, but its not a choice for us. We have a Grady 282 sailfish, which acts more like a sailboat. our drift is always faster than everyone elses due to the profile, and if wind is out there, its worse. we end up keeping the 4strokes on and we bump even when free-drifting. if anyone has a suggestion to counteract that, I would love to shut the engines off for a change.

[TWIN D'S]

Originally posted by John F.:
Me and a couple of other mid-Chesapeake Bay guys are running a boat down to the mouth of the Delaware Bay for a couple days of striper fishing. If anybody could give me a quick rundown of where "the rips" are, basically what's working (eeling, bunker chunking, jigging, trolling), and if there's any "courtesies" we should know about, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. rips are on the jersey side of the bay off cape may. bucktails and eels.

[betster2]

I THINK WITH REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC THAT IF YOU ASK A THOUSAND FISHERMEN, YOU WOULD GET A THOUSAND DIFFERENTS ANSWERS. TO EACH THERE OWN. I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE HAS TO ATTACK EACH OTHERS CHARACTER OR METHODS OF FISHING THE RIPS. ME PERSONALLY I SHUT THE MOTOR OFF!! IF I FEEL THE NEED TO KEEP IT RUNNING FOR SAFETY PURPOSES I DONT FEEL I SHOULD BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AM GOING TO STICK UP FOR ADAM AND SKIP THE NUMBERS THEY PRODUCE SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND I FEEL THEY GET ATTACKED ON HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG AND SUCCESSFUL. JUST MY TWO CENTS. GOOD LUCK TO ALL THIS YEAR AND BE SAFE

[Old Hat]

If you need them on all the time for safety reasons, then maybe you should be fishing somewhere a little safer. Another reason not to fish the rips on a weekend. This same debate goes on at many other shallow tidal areas. One that comes to mind right away is working the pilings of the CBBT. Fortunately that is a 21 mile span so it doesn't get all that crowded.......especially cause those Virginia boyz lile to troll.

[striper2278]

Originally posted by DirtyBassHole:
hey,striper2278: first,everyone knows a licensed operator is only allowed to run a vessal 12 hours in any 24 hour period,not 13 as you stated.Also most of the "pros" were fishing out there before you could spell "rip". LOL!

But I can spell it now...And with the best of'em! Also, the "pro's" I was refering to don't post on this board! And they are the "pro's"!

SARCASISM, Do you understand what that is? :rolleyes:

[striper2278]

Originally posted by Just Released 2:
Also, saw you guys bucktailing in prissy....all those fish were like 20" to 22".....I could save you alot of fuel and take you around the docks to catch them!

What happens if you fall in from that bow you lean over so much?

Capt Jim Ok Jim,

Whatever! Do what you want...just stay the hell away from me with your stinking outboards! Problem solved! smile.gif I guess a limit catch on "almost" every trip in the last 2 weeks means we only catch 20"-22" fish? Get a clue..Please! tongue.gif

[striper2278]

Also,

Jim...didn't see ya there today! Too windy? tongue.gif

[striper2278]

A nice 20" caught on a bucktail just the other day!
http://stalkerfishingcharters.com/reportPics/11-2am.JPG

[animosity2]

TO EACH THEIR OWN !! I PERSONALLY KEEP THE MOTORS RUNNING. KNOW A BUNCH OF OLD TIMERS DOWN THERE IN CAPE MAY THEY ALWAYS SAID FOOLISH TO TURN THEM OFF BASICALLY BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS AND ALSO THE RIPS MOVE SO HARD THE BASS ARE VERY AGRESSIVE THEY ARE FEEDING FAST AND FURIOUS MOTORS ARE NOT GOING TO SCARE THEM AWAY. YOU HAVE BOATS NON STOP FLYING THROUGH THERE BUT YET MOST PEOPLE STILL DO GREAT. ITS NOT A MATTER OF LUCK IT SEEMS TO ME ITS FACT. I CAN PULL UP TO A RIP AND CONSTANTLY BUMP THE RIP COMING WITHIN 0 FEET OF IT AND HOOK UP SECONDS LATER.

[striper2278]

To each his own! :cool:

[animosity2]

MAYBE A LITTLE FISH OFF FOR SOME SERIOUS CASH IS NEEDED?? IM IN !

[striper2278]

Ok...As soon as I get a day off! Anytime! 2010 :D

[THECHUMSTAIN]

Originally posted by animosity2:
MAYBE A LITTLE FISH OFF FOR SOME SERIOUS CASH IS NEEDED?? IM IN ! I'm in too. :D

[Just Released 2]

hey skip.....i work for a living, so unlike you, I don't live with my mommy......I do have a career that pays me very well....maybe when your done 1 day you can stop by the beach house for a beer....that is a nice bass pic...on a bucktail...thats even better....and I do have a clue, I have been fishin down there for the last 15 years......

Bottom line is, i will continue to catch quality fish my own way....and you will do it your way...
I guess to each his own

Capt. Jim

[dusky]

Anchor in the rip with your engine running !! smile.gif

[Phil L]

I agree with dusky....and then throw bunker heads with sputniks out the sides about 50 yards off the boat....

I have a smaller boat(20 Grady)....Depending on conditions, I'll bump the boat in and out of gear to make sure I enter the head of the rip bow on and then the motor gets shut off for the drift...

I'd drift motor off all the time but I prefer not to drift into 3-4ft standing waves beam to...

Phil L

[striper2278]

Originally posted by Just Released 2:
hey skip.....i work for a living, so unlike you, I don't live with my mommy......I do have a career that pays me very well....maybe when your done 1 day you can stop by the beach house for a beer....that is a nice bass pic...on a bucktail...thats even better....and I do have a clue, I have been fishin down there for the last 15 years......

Bottom line is, i will continue to catch quality fish my own way....and you will do it your way...
I guess to each his own

Capt. Jim Wrong!!!

Daddy!

Wow 15 yrs!...LOL

Every weekend for 15 yrs! tongue.gif

[Just Released 2]

every weekend.....lol.......yup......gotta work to live like I do.......I dont live with my daddy tongue.gif

seriously....how long have you been at it?

[striper2278]

My whole life! I'm a local...don't hassle me!

[Just Released 2]

hey skip......***********Edited By Rodfather****

No need for that tone Just Released, take it off line*******************

[ 11-14-2004, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: RodFather ]

[striper2278]

LOL, *********Edited by RodFather***********

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[THECHUMSTAIN]

Is this over a striper too. :eek: Wasn't the Just Released a Charter Boat for a few days. tongue.gif tongue.gif :D Jim no one answered my I'm in. :D

[Just Released 2]

John.....I am in.....just gotta alot of work right now....lots of $$$$ making right now....

I asked a serious question and get a wisea$$ answer.....still running some trips on a 47' jarrett bay

[THECHUMSTAIN]

Main Line???

[Just Released 2]

yup.....thats the one....going to morehead dec 11

[THECHUMSTAIN]

I'll be ther the end of this month for a few days huntin.

[Just Released 2]

we are going to fish as much as possibile......coming back to CM in may or june

[hipkvw]

Man, You guys are brutal. ***********Edited by RodFather****************

[ 11-14-2004, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: RodFather ]

[THECHUMSTAIN]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hipkvw:
[qb]

*************Edited By RodFather***************

[ 11-14-2004, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: RodFather ]

[hipkvw]

2 words...Ron Jeramy ;)

[RodFather]

This thread has seen better days. Its a shame cause there is actually some good info in here but now its time to lock her down. Just for the record, I think both sides make some great points and what it comes down to is safety. So if you can safely shut your engine down than you may improve your catch otherwise safety first.