troilling advice?!?!?!?!?

[panacea]

Pretty new at the trolling for stripers, i have a few umbrellas and some large bunker spoons with some other gear. I guess my question is with the umbrellas do i need a leader and or a trolling weight as well with the spoons should there be a leader and a weight? Any advice will be good advice!!!!! Thanks all...

[Krackafish]

I have my best success trolling deep and very slow. I use 10ft of 80# leader on my umbrellas and do add enough weight to get to the desired depth, most of the time 6-10oz does it. I don't troll large spoons, most people I know that do so with wire, I have never learned this method well enough to even try. The last time I was with someone who was doing it I ended up kinking the wire, it seemed like a big hassle.

[FishingLuhrs]

Bunker spoons work great and I've fished them w/ mono and wire both. Of course the main thing as "Krackafish" already stated is a slow, deep troll. If you are using bunker spoons w/ mono let out a LOT of line to get the spoon down in the water column, otherwise you'll catch bluefish all day. Don't overcomplicate things. I just run 2 spoons on either side and a stretch 25 in the middle (3 rods total) to prevent tangles.

[kenbrown]

using a 6-10oz drail will work trolling spoons with mono??

[panacea]

silly question? what is a drail?!?!?

[Krackafish]

drail = trolling sinker.

[B Cartlidge]

A drail is a trolling weight (torpedo in shape). Good luck, catch em' up!

[panacea]

ok.. i thought so, just didn't know they had a specific name. I have a bunch of them between 6 and 10oz... i am going to give it a shot tomorrow hopefully... thanks guys for your help.. just got my boat in Aug and i finally put some stripers on it on Thursday. I need to put some more..

[Slowpoke]

panacea, you don't have the email option and I don't want to blab to everyone, so email me and maybe I can give you some useful info.

Fred

[Mullica Bob]

It's hard to believe there's something left that you would'nt want to "blab" about, especially on a topic as well known as trolling. :rolleyes:


Just remember,"you can't polish a terd"

[ 11-07-2005, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: Mullica Bob ]

[FinestKind]

Try trolling a couple of stretch 25's each rigged on a 8 foot section of 80 pound test leader. Connect the leader to the lure using an improved clich knot, and the other end of the leader to a drail. Connect the drail to a snap swivel tied to the end of your running line with a palomar knot. In order for the lure to "cut through" the water and run deep where it should be, the running line MUST BE power pro, or any other thin diameter braid. I use 50# test PP on my international 945 striper trolling setups.

Now the important part...if you try to set out the lures while underway, you might have a good day, but you will be catching only blues, as the lures will be up near the top of the water column with them. If you want to catch stripers tho...point the boat into the wind/current and put the engines in neutral.

When the forward motion of the boat has stopped, put your reels in freespool and drop the weighted stretch 25's to the bottom, THEN put the engines back in gear, let out enough line so that your lures will be 50 feet or so behind the boat and then put your reels back in gear and start to troll slowly at idle speed. The drail brings the stretch to the bottom on the initial drop, and the big diving lip on the stretch keeps it down during the troll so it is right in the faces of the stripers down there waiting for you to feed them an easy, slow meal.

Len

[Krackafish]

Here is a good article on trolling for stripers...hope this helps out.

http://www.tidalfish.com/ref/anmviewer.asp?a=130

[FishingLuhrs]

Great chart Krackafish. I printed it out and copied it for my friends. Takes the guessing work and wasted time experimenting out of it for guys like myself w/ a little less experience.

[William L Kirtz]

The most important part of trolling is to have ball bearing swizels (wrong spelling)one about 3' from your lure and I always put one where the leader starts as I us approx 20' leader if you do not and your lure spins for any reason you will have a mess.

[TipforTomorrow]

Yeah, I too am wondering what is so secretive about trolling that the information could not be posted here to assist a fellow fisherman.

[kenbrown]

just to throw a 'kink' out there...

have trolled stretch 25's strictly using mono..no weight..and they actually bounced the bottom at 22'-24'

ok..so we had like 175' of line out..but no added weight smile.gif

[Capt. Scott]

kenbrown...I agree...caught hundreds of stripers in up to 30 feet of water using 25's tied directly to 20 lb mono...no leader...no weight.

I'm not saying that other techniques won't work better under certain conditions or to get deeper than the 25 was designed for...but just going out and trolling a lump that comes up to 20-30 feet or so...I've had plenty of luck vith the plain vanilla thing...

troll 2-4 knots...maybe five if the lures are riding OK and you don't mind a blue now and then.

[ 11-08-2005, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: Capt. Scott ]

[panacea]

thanks everyone.. this is some great advice across the board.. keep it coming, nothing like learning something new about catching the beast!!!

[Mullica Bob]

That info about the stretch's is strange. 50# power pro will get you down below 30' with a stretch 25 in either direction of current. Unless you need to run the stretch deeper why run the drail? Hell run the next size up stretch!


Just remember,"you can't polish aterd"

[ 11-08-2005, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: Mullica Bob ]

[FinestKind]

Guys,

I should have made it a bit more clear, I'm talking about trolling stretch 25's in 60 to 75 foot deep water and bouncing them ON THE BOTTOM using the technique I described.

Len

[ 11-08-2005, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: FinestKind ]

[Mullica Bob]

Now you're talkin'


Just remember,"you can't polish a terd"

[kenbrown]

I figured you were talking bout deep water..never trolled real deep myself.

Thinking this weekend may be able to try some new techniques. Maybe even bouncing a mojo off the bottom?

Anyone do that?

[Krackafish]

Ken-

I generally troll 2 mojo's off the stern (switch one up with a stretch from time to time...depending where am trolling) and then 2 umbrella's off planer boards.

Mojo's are great and have found the colder the water gets in the fall the better they work. I think they out produce umbrella's in colder conditions. Haven't had much success with them in the spring, umbrella's work better for me then.

[Bob ECT]

I caught a Summer flounder last week in 60ft of water with a stretch 25. No trolling weight, 20lb Izorline Spectra.

[fishpole5]

Originally posted by Bob ECT:
I caught a Summer flounder last week in 60ft of water with a stretch 25. No trolling weight, 20lb Izorline Spectra. How big Bob---was it a fillet and release????? ;) :D

[aquasport190]

I'm talking about trolling stretch 25's in 60 to 75 foot deep waterDo we have that kind of water within 3 nautical miles of the NJ coast or is this for grouper digging in Florida ;) ?

[Bob ECT]

Originally posted by fishpole5:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bob ECT:
I caught a Summer flounder last week in 60ft of water with a stretch 25. No trolling weight, 20lb Izorline Spectra. How big Bob---was it a fillet and release????? ;) :D </font>[/QUOTE]Didn't measure it but it looked about 15 inches. Little fish for a big lure.

[FinestKind]

Originally posted by aquasport190:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I'm talking about trolling stretch 25's in 60 to 75 foot deep waterDo we have that kind of water within 3 nautical miles of the NJ coast or is this for grouper digging in Florida ;) ? </font>[/QUOTE]Water depth at the 2M Buoy 1 mile off Manasquan Inlet is 60+ feet.

75 foot water is within 2 to 3 miles of the beach up here, not sure about the waters down there off Cape May where a lot of you Barners fish.

Some good Striper areas are at the old Range Buoy numbers off Sea Girt north of the inlet, and the "pipe" off Mantoloking, south of the inlet. Both areas range 60 to 75 feet and are less than 3 miles off the beach.

In fact, my biggest striper so far, a 40 pounder, was caught trolling a stretch 25 right at the mile marker buoy 1 mile off Manasquan inlet, in 60 feet of water using the "stop and drop" drail technique described above.

Len

[Krackafish]

We also fish some deep water on the DE side of the bay just off the 8's - 80+ feet in spots. I don't troll there myself...I am not set up to drag baits that deep....but the stop and drop method does sound intriguing.