Livebaiters, anyone using oxygen?

[Fishaholic29]

Seems we have a few topics running about livebait, so I thought I would throw something else out there. I want to change my current airation systems to pure O2 this season, but have a few concerns. In particular, is a placard needed to carry oxygen tanks. Divers may also be able to answer this question, although they aren't carrying pure O2. I don't know if it is regulated by tank size or whether it costs money to aquire a placard. Anyone else running pure O2 that knows the answer????

[Billy BaitSlinger]

I think a dive shop may be a good place to go and ask some questions. Deep divers use pure 02 to speed up and / or provide a greater safety margin for decompression at 15'. Deeper, and the higher partial pressure of pure 02 is toxic.

Divers mix it with air to form Nitrox I and II, which can be used to extend no-deco limits at depths of 80-130 fsw

Another thought; try a welding supply house for a pure 02 source. Its going to be much cheaper than human-grade oxygen :D

[Fishaholic29]

Thanks Billy, I had already figured on using welding O2. I suppose either place may be able to answer questions about the need for placards while carrying it in your vehicle.

[nrgizer902]

I want to change my current airation systems to pure O2 this season, but have a few concerns. Fish,

I belive when you run pure O2, you only run it only a couple munutes prior to livelining the fish. I wish I could comment on this a bit more, but just seen this on T.V. before. I believe it was SWS.

I'll tell you what.....from what I've seen, giving them O2 is like sticking an energizer battery in em' :D .

You may want to give the offshore forum a holler about this one.

Kevin

[In Depth]

Fish ,

Are you switching for any particular reason ???

And for what use . Over land transport or livewell use.

[logic186]

Fishaholic,

I work for the local Caterpillar dealer and our trucks carry Oxygen cylinders every day. You do not need a placard unless you carry more than 1000 pounds of oxygen on your vehicle. Just make sure the cylinder has a DOT label identifying the contents as oxygen.

[Fishaholic29]

nrgizer902, I would actually run it the whole time. O2 is common place for many tournament anglers for both bait and fish. I am sure you have seen Kingfish tournaments with the boats with three motors rigged to the hilt. Many of those guy run pure O2 in their livewells as live bait is key to their success. Bass tournament anglers use O2 as it reduces stress on the fish, and as you know, they loose points and money for any dead fish. In Depth, without getting into too many details, my above explanation pretty much explains why I want to change. When collecting bait like herring or adult bunker, I am often running them quite a distance from where I catch them to where my pens are. Although the pumps I run now work fine with almost no loss, I believe the O2 will aid in that low mortality, and my hope is that it will increase longevity in the penned baits. Feel free to shoot me an email if you want more specifics.

[Get it wet]

Check out the library I read something about this in an old copy of Salt water fisherman. They didn't talk about needing any placards and I think you aren't carrying enough O2 were you would need one. Where ever you get it from will have the answer for you. As a matter of fact if you need it they are legally obligated to tell you to put one on your car. If you need one you probably wouldn't be allowed to carry it in you car.

[Fishaholic29]

Logic186, Thank You! That makes quite a bit of sense. I am sure your guys have cards for the offroad fuel tanks though. Thanks for the heads up! My company does a lot of purchasing and rental with CAT.

[Esox1]

Just what I needed,another expensive toy. Sounds like a good idea. I fish Raystown lake in the spring and fall. Pure O2 would help me keep my alewives and gizzard shad alive.

[Got Bass?]

You can get info on o2 infusion at Absecon Bay Sportsman Center.com.Their is a link there to a good site.

[pseeker]

http://www.oxyedge-chum.com/

[Guatemala Dave]

I've been playing with live bait quite a bit and have done a little studying and since my dinner depends on it it is really a difficult call.

O2 difinately works, but so do air pumps and the Keep Alive infuser systems. There is a limit as to how much oxygen any water can hold and many variables. Depth, Temperature and size of bubbles are just a few. Your delivery system is very important. If you aren't ready to go the whole route to testing and carefully calculating how much O2 you need you are probably better off just running a large amount of air into your bait.

For short term catching or going fishing I don't think you can beat the Keep Alive System. For my big bait tanks I use big air pumps with big air stones.

Waiting impatiently for the full moon in April.

I only hope I'm allowed to catch a few,

Herring that is.

[Ugly Mug 2]

Oxygen edge is the best worked it for 3 years awesome! Small tanks no problem www.oxygenedge.com (http://www.oxygenedge.com)

[nocturnal]

I'm with BOB,But tank must be strapped down on
boat.really any time transporting would make
it safer.

[In Depth]

If you decide to go oxy , bob is on target with the oxyedge system.
Stay away from using any medical or welding regulators.
Oxyedges regulators are enginered to deal with the enviroment your going to use it in, the others arent.

[Fishaholic29]

I agree that oxy-edge is a nice set-up. I have been looking at that system for three years, but for some reason can't justify the price. I very well may purchase the regulator, but am hoping to find the tanks much cheaper. There is also another company, bluemarlinchronicles.com, who sells O2 systems. Either way, glad to hear I won't have to worry about any placards!

[Ugly Mug 2]

FISH WE WORKED WITH DIVING SHOPS HAVE SOME CUSTOM TANKS AND HAD NO PROBLEMS AS LONG AS YOU DEAL WITH A REPUTABLE SHOP AND DON'T TRY TO SKIMP YOU'LL DO FINE

[Jay Little]

According to the Bunsen solubility coefficient for O2 in Plasma (esentially saltwater/saline).023 ml O2 can be dissolved in 1 ml of Plasma @ one atmosphere (760mmHg). Whew!! if you extrapolate this out you can see it would take a bunch of 100% O2 to oxygenate a live well and most would just diffuse out into the atmosphere as water just doesn't hold O2 in solution.

But it seems that it must have some desired effect by the ancedotes in this thread and room air is 21% 02 so you are gaining some increased O2 content in solution but not much.

Now if you are serious about hyperoxygenating your bait then using a hyperbaric chamber @ 2 or 3 atmospheres would be effective But better yet switch to liquid Perfluorocarbons (http://www.med.umich.edu/liquid/whatislv.html)which have been used to ventilate humans and is has greater ability for holding O2 in solution.

It is pretty cold outside is it not?

[ 01-08-2004, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Jay Little ]

[freedom]

yap sure is chilly :D

fish you had some real pro's talk about o2,i use boca air , just off creek rd. belmar. the regualator will cost 140 it's the medical kind,your bottle of air needs a deposit,of 150 and the next fill will cost 20 bucks,i can run 20 gal of minnows to cape may about 1 1/2 hrs and burn a 1/4 tank with two 6 inch air stones @ a 2 or 3 setting. thier more contance then a welder kind

i seen a sys that jim's use for transport the air stones are 2in by 12" he has two the compressure is 12 volt and he can blow the scales off the herring it's about a 400 buck sys,

the only problem i have is a back up bottle, you'll find you always run low on weekends & holidays and can't get a refil than..

next is amoma's spelling with a big hual of fish that becomes more the problem then 02

you an't become a commeriacl bait man till you lose a grand of live bait :D

freedom ots.