STRIPER BITE N.C.

[BLOOD STAINS]

TOOK MY BOAT TO HATTERAS ON THURS. FIRST STOP RUDEE INLET THURS AFTERNOON 2:30p WATER 45.1 BASS STACKED ON BOTTOM GOOD BITE ALL BOATS CATCHING FISH. FISH WERE LYTHARGIC, FINDER SOLID RED BOTTOM 10 FEET OF WATER. DAY 2 KITTY HAWK 12 NAUT MI NORTH OF OREGON INLET. MORNING NE 20 KNOTS WATER 47.5 BIRDS AND FISH SO THICK COULD NOT GET JIG 10 FEET DOWN. CATCH 12 BROKE OFF 4. FISHED FOR 30 MINUTES...............BITE IS ON DOWN THERE.................

[striper2278]

Thanks for the report!


COME ON SCOTT! ;)

Keith :D

Rick :D

[The Rod Bender]

Were gunna try & head down for Friday again!
My fingers are crossed! I hope the w@#$ gods let us get out this time.

Friday: Stripers
Saturday: Giant Bluefin
Sunday: GO BIRDS!!!!!!!

[fishpole5]

I'd be jealous if it wasn't for those 20knot winds, aaaahhhh shoot, I'm still jealous--good job, fispole :eek: :eek:

[BLOOD STAINS]

FISHPOLE DONT BE JEALOUS, IT WAS AS NASTY AS YOU THINK. ONE OF THOSE PRETTY DAYS THE WEEK BEFORE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DAY TO BE THERE.
THAT WAS JUST PART OF THE STORY, GOT TO OREGON INLET SEA BOUY AND IT WAS SNOWING. 1/4 MIL VIS. COULDN'T SEE ANY OF THE BOUYS COMING IN. 2 HOURS OF HELL GETTING TO HATTERAS. THE PATH TO OLD HOUSE CHANNEL HAS CHANGED AGAIN DUE TO SHOALING.

[ 01-14-2004, 08:54 AM: Message edited by: BLOOD STAINS ]

[Stiffs-r-us]

Originally posted by BLOOD STAINS:
FISHPOLE DONT BE JEALOUS, IT WAS AS NASTY AS YOU THINK. ONE OF THOSE PRETTY DAYS THE WEEK BEFORE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DAY TO BE THERE.
THAT WAS JUST PART OF THE STORY, GOT TO OREGON INLET SEA BOUY AND IT WAS SNOWING. 1/4 MIL VIS. COULDN'T SEE ANY OF THE BOUYS COMING IN. 2 HOURS OF HELL GETTING TO HATTERAS. THE PATH TO OLD HOUSE CHANNEL HAS CHANGED AGAIN DUE TO SHOALING. you're the best! YOU ARE THE VERY BEST !!...Did anyone tell you how good you are ?? Tell some of these fishermen the real place to fish is in Hatteras, not New Josey.

[eelball]

:rolleyes: Guess you never fished with me. Be glad to take ya some time. :D

[ 01-16-2004, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: eelball ]

[Reel-ality]

Blood Stains, thanks for the great report!

Dave Isanski

[Stiffs-r-us]

Originally posted by eelball:
:rolleyes: Guess you never fished with me. Be glad to take ya some time. :D eel....I appreciate what you are saying...but I've fished with BLOOD STAINS....he is the most knowledgeable fisherman I've ever experienced...I've been fishing for 38 years...he is very good...no offense. As far as Hatteras compared to New Jersey...lets be very honest...there is NO comparison...Hatteras is the place on the east coast....by far...by very far. ;)

[fshlot]

How big are the stripers thier catching??...Are they just schoolies or are they 20-40lbers? ;)

[BLOOD STAINS]

FSH LOT, The ones in Virginia looked like they came from a mold. 30 to 31 inches. But, the one off of Kitty Hawk were schooled up very thick. First fish caught there was 26 inches. I caught them up to 43 inches. They're bellies were stuffed and they were fat. If I told you exact weight I be lying, but I guest them to be up to 28 pounds. Check out this web site and go to fishing report there is plenty of pictures and they are on the same pods of fish. www.oregon-inlet.com (http://www.oregon-inlet.com)

[ 01-18-2004, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: BLOOD STAINS ]

[BLOOD STAINS]

Here's a picture from the web site 1 -16-04. http://www.oregon-inlet.com/journal/images/714image1%2DCapt%2DN%2DDuke%2D1%2D14%2D04r%2Ejpg

[fshlot]

thanks bloodstains...They are some healthy looking fish...sure don't look like schoolies.....May have to take a road trip!!! :D

[Keeper Seeker]

Just spent about 1/2 hour looking at the photos on the Oregon Inlet site. Don't know what the regs. are down there but it shows the obvious imballance in the regs. up and down the east coast. IMO it also shows that all charter boats should be reclassified as commercial vessels/fisherpeople, and the regs. should be modified to reflect that.

Recreational- adj. Refreshment of one's mind or body "after work" through some activity that amuses or stimulates; play.


Commercial- adj. of or pertaining to commerce ( money ) engaged in commerce
( money ) having profit as a chief aim.

commercialize- to exploit, do, or or make mainly for financial gain. To sacrifice the quality of for profit.


Sorry boys, but if the shoe fits.... wear it.

[BLOOD STAINS]

Keeper,
Go easy, its two per man. Charters are no different there, than our local boats here, taking two per man. No different than if you went out on your boat. Two per man is two per man, no matter who's boat, beach, pier, or bridge it is.

[ 01-18-2004, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: BLOOD STAINS ]

[BIGGESTJACK]

WE ARE TWO PLUS BONUS=3

[Keeper Seeker]

BLOODSTAINS, No offense intended but try this on. The regs. state that a man can take two "per day". A man cannot take two, return to port, and then go back out and take two more. Agreed?

I believe that I also read that the commercial boats can posess two permits, each one allowing ten fish. If I am wrong about this, please correct me. Thats twenty fish per day for commercial boats.

Charter boats, most of them there, large enough to take out 6 or more "fares" per trip. Not saying that they all do on a regular basis, but at times I'm sure do. Now let's say that all six fares have bonus tags and they all limit out, as they "are" doing, as there are more than one picture with 5 and 6 anglers and 15 or more fish. Now this captain has a morning and an afternoon trip. That's a potential 30 to 36 fish per day for one boat, not counting the captain or the mates share. That's almost twice the commercial boats alotment. That's a lot of fish and a lot of money.


This is what I am saying. They're putting a hurting on these fish. They're putting money in thier pockets. I am not saying that they are doing anything illegal. Even though the captains may not be actually selling the fish at market, there "is" money being paid for these fish thus making it a commercial venture in my mind.

[henrybasstardo]

All the NJ pics will look like that next year after the new regs are in place. It may be worse if they keep the tag program.

They are nice fish. They are legal.

Get yours while you can, they will not around much longer.

Also if the EEZ is opened it will get even worse.

Keeper seeker, It cost money to catch them. Try pricing a boat, slip and operating costs for a cape may rips vessel. Most charter guys do what they love and put other people who could otherwise not find, catch or afford catching these awesome fish. Personally I like to find them myself but that is me. I took my brothers and father on a charter and they are worth it.

The regs need to be better across the board if we want to keep having these great fish. Commercials and recs need to take cuts. One fish is enough meat for dinner for 5-6 and that is a 28" fish.

I pray the regulators do what is necessary to sustain healthy populations.

So many excuses. "it's legal"

Well make it illegal!!!! :mad:

A good example would be the commercial culling. Make it illegal! Give them 15 fish, One dip.
Make culling by recs illegal.

Anything to stop waste.

OK rant over

Pray for our troops, over 500 dead now, God bless them.

[Keeper Seeker]

Originally posted by henrybasstardo:
All the NJ pics will look like that next year after the new regs are in place. It may be worse if they keep the tag program.

( Agreed)

They are nice fish. They are legal.


(Agreed)

Get yours while you can, they will not around much longer.


(Agreed, sad but true)


Also if the EEZ is opened it will get even worse.


(Agreed)

Keeper seeker, It cost money to catch them. Try pricing a boat, slip and operating costs for a cape may rips vessel.


(Agreed, it is their choice, any commercial venture takes capital investment.)


Most charter guys do what they love and put other people who could otherwise not find, catch or afford catching these awesome fish.


(Agreed, If it wasn't for the charter boats the fish in the pictures would still be swimming and would spawn in the spring.)


Personally I like to find them myself but that is me.

(Me to)


I took my brothers and father on a charter and they are worth it.


(Agreed, for those who cannot find or catch fish for themselves.)


The regs need to be better across the board if we want to keep having these great fish. Commercials and recs need to take cuts. One fish is enough meat for dinner for 5-6 and that is a 28" fish.


(Agreed 100%)

I pray the regulators do what is necessary to sustain healthy populations.

So many excuses. "it's legal"

Well make it illegal!!!! :mad:

A good example would be the commercial culling. Make it illegal! Give them 15 fish, One dip.
Make culling by recs illegal.

Anything to stop waste.


(Agreed X 5)


OK rant over


(Me to)


Pray for our troops, over 500 dead now, God bless them. (AMEN Henry...)

[BLOOD STAINS]

Keeper,
Like I said initially, no different than going to the rips with two charters per day. However, you are wrong about the bonus tag, there is no bonus program in N.C. Commercial licenses are tricky down there. You may only as an owner of a vessel posess one license per vessel, but if you own another vessel, you can have another permit for that vessel. Also --- 10 fish per man, per permit. That breaks down to if 4 guys are on the same boat and each posess a permit, the limit is 40 fish. This may sound extreme, but you must understand the process of obtaining the permits. There are no more commercial permits available through the state of N.C.. You must purchase one that is allready in exsistance.IE: if someone sells thier boat and permit along with it. In order to obtain one of these permits when they were available you had to prove to the state that over 50 % of your income came from Commercial Fishing. Rumor has it that these can bring high dollar.

All encompassed you must understand the way of life down there. Alot of these guys live, survive and prosper from the Sea. Not like here, there isn't much in the way of work down there, other that fishing and Tourism. Imagine, really try too, trying to live all winter or a salary that you have earned over the summer. I don't support overfishing. I am personal friends with many fisherman and their family's that live down there. My friends don't overfish, just try to make a living and it not as easy as it seems. I'm sure a couple commercial guys on here can elaborate on that fact a little more. To know them is to respect them.

[ 01-18-2004, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: BLOOD STAINS ]

[THECHUMSTAIN]

Keeper you can say what you want but if I can get 3 trips a day and limit out I will. Didn't you ever work overtime at work. And yes we are commercial vessels as our documentation states. If its legal you can cry all you want it ain't going to change. :cool:

[Keeper Seeker]

Blood, The point is that there are 10 fish per permit. If there was something like that in place for charter caps. it would eleviate some of the pressure that is created by double and triple dipping. If there is no bonus tag down there how do five anglers have 15 fish on the dock?

Chum, No crying here bud, just stating my opinion just like you are. I'm not saying that you or any other charter cap. is doing anything illegal and don't want to stop anyone from making a living. As you state yourself you are a commercial vessel. It's the regs. that are at fault, not the captain, especially down there where the fish are concentrated on thier wintering grounds and need protection even more at that time.

[BLOOD STAINS]

Keeper,
Not for anything thats a stupid question, you don't know how many people were on the boat. I don't think you get it. 2 or 3 months down there 2 or 3 months up here. We catch just as many you just don't have people taking pictures of every boat that comes into Cape May Harbor.

[Keeper Seeker]

Sad part is that if this keeps up we won't be catching that many at either place for much longer.

Blood, I never said that I don't respect anyone in any of my posts. I know a couple com. guys as well as charter caps. It's not thier fault, it's the regs. that are at fault.

[ 01-18-2004, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: Keeper Seeker ]

[MYNU]

I agree that the problem is the regs. This is a wintering area that is being fished and in my mind doesn't qualify as "fair chase". I feel the same way about all the tournaments that go on from NC to Maine in the spring while the Stripers are spawning. I'm not saying these fisheries should be closed. I enjoy fishing for Stripers in the spring on the Hudson river as much as anyone. And as it has been stated over and over again, it's legal. Catch and release is a great concept but you can't make everyone do that if it's legal to keep fish. The regs need to be changed to protect the fish when they are vunerable. Catch and release needs to be mandatory during these times. Think about how many fish are caught between NC and Maine in the spring before they get a chance to spawn. And if the pictures are any indication, the numbers seem pretty high at their wintering grounds too.

[BLOOD STAINS]

Thats preposterous . Thats like saying, you have no right to fish for them in the Spring on the Hudson. Lets be honest and think of it from a regional aspect.

Thats like saying all those from Jersey should be banned from fishing them in the Fall.

All those from New England up should be banned from fishing them in the summer. So on up or down the line.

Thats ridiculous. Its simply their turn for the next month or so. I was was mearly lucky enough to be traveling past that area and capitalized. It's legal like it should be. You should not be the only one permitted to fish them where you are. Let them have their shot too. Or, go bitch to the New England anglers who have the summer spawning ground.

I'm down there and I'm going to fish them.

[MYNU]

That is exactly what I did say. Fishing for Stripers on the Hudson when they're spawning seems like poor management and I think fishing them where practically every fish up the coast has gone to winter is also poor management.I'm not saying not to fish, but I do think it should be catch and release or at least more stringent regs to protect the fish. That's better than closed seasons, which is the way most other species are regulated.

[striper2278]

Originally posted by MYNU:
That is exactly what I did say. Fishing for Stripers on the Hudson when they're spawning seems like poor management and I think fishing them where practically every fish up the coast has gone to winter is also poor management.I'm not saying not to fish, but I do think it should be catch and release or at least more stringent regs to protect the fish. That's better than closed seasons, which is the way most other species are regulated. I agree!

[BLOOD STAINS]

Correct me if I am wrong. There are closed seasons. NJ All bays and Tributarys Jan. 1 thru March 31.
NC Has also closed the sounds for this period.

Tell me what NY has as regs. There are Closed Seasons in NJ And Del. And NC And Virginia And Maryland.

[MYNU]

Striped Bass is closed from Dec 1 to March 15 in the Hudson river north of the George Washington Bridge. That makes the season open during the spawning that occurs in the river in May.

[Rick Caton]

Hey MYNU,
Those fish did not choice to go south to a "BAD MANAGEMENT AREA"
I agree that we could do better on the Comm. end but our Rec. end is the same as you alls ,....so please spare me the whine,...........it's 2 per person at 28 " and we ain't fishing on any spawning fish.
Am I wrong?????????? :confused: :confused:

[BLOOD STAINS]

I was hoping that it wouldn't get this far, But, unfortunately it has. For all the uninformed. Research article from field and stream. Read and Learn.................

Striped bass need rivers with long stretches of fresh and brackish water for spawning. Only a few places meet that criteria; the Hudson River in New York and Chesapeake Bay in Maryland are the most prominent spawning grounds, and are inexorably linked to the abundance, distribution, and future of saltwater stripers.

Most striped bass along the Atlantic coast are involved in two types of migrations: an upriver spawning migration from late winter to early spring, and coastal migrations that are apparently not associated with spawning activity. Coastal migrations may be quite extensive; striped bass tagged in Chesapeake Bay have been recaptured in the Bay of Fundy. Coastal migratory behavior appears to be limited to stocks north of Cape Hatteras and is related to sex and age.



[ 01-26-2004, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: BLOOD STAINS ]

[Rick Caton]

Well,
Blood Stains
I hope this claifies a few things.
#1 We are not fishing on spawners
#2 Our limit is 2 per person at 28" per day just as it is with you all,..I suspect.
#3 We in NC catch only a fraction of the Stripers in the "Big Picture",...if you look at the "NUMBERS"

With all that being said ,.....I'm just glad they are there to catch,..cause I was really not into gillnetting after" THEY" said we could not realistically fish for Dogsharks& Monkfish anymore
Just my 2 cents worth
:D :D :D :D :D :D

[MYNU]

The Chesapeake and the Hudson are two of the spawning rivers but there are rivers all the way up the coast in every coastal state from the Carolina's north. As far as I know, the season is open during the spawn all the way up.

[BLOOD STAINS]

Rick, read the previous posts I'm on the same page as you. Mnyu it doesn't matter we are not catching during a spawn and for your info Bass migrate all the way down to Florida. They have also been caught on the Gulf coast of Florida. So like I stated earlier, Its simply their turn, live with it.

[MYNU]

I never said anyone was fishing for spawners in NC. It is a wintering area. I just feel that the fishery needs more protection when the fish are concentrated like they are when they are wintering or spawning. This is a great fishery that has seen hard times in the past. I just want the fishing to stay as good as it is for everyone and wonder if that might mean some different regs. These are are my final thoughts on this. I would love to be down in NC having fun with those fish right now (catch & release). Instead I'm sitting here in a snow storm with a bigger one coming tomorrow night.

[henrybasstardo]

Hey guys it's real simple.

All this pressure will take it's toll.

There are spawning grounds open. Listing two rivers is blindsighted. you should see the Delaware cows. They are allowed to be taken in March too!!! Major runs up the river at that time, I've seen it first hand. The hudson allows it, the chesapeake allows it. The Delaware bay allows it. It's BS, period. At certain times like in spawning in a river with boundries we it should be C&R.

Just my opinion but how much meat do you need? I hope it was all pakaged good. Looks like waste to me, seen too many guys, "what am I gonna do with all this fish"? and don't act like it don't happen.

we all better wise up. Conservation


"in the abundance of water only the fool is thirsty"
It's like a rat race

To all you NC boys I realize you are only getting them now and most here are going nuts getting on you **** and it ain't fair. THESE ARE OCEAN FISH MEN. LEGAL. I apologize. All our pics will look like that next year with 2 @ 28", maybe 3 @ 28". Hope the fishery can handle it. Peace.

On a good note, who killed bass today? :D
Gotta love mother nature, in the end she will win.

[THECHUMSTAIN]

This makes me laugh, all these cry baby striper worshipers crying because someone else is catching THEIR fish. Why not get on all the people driving 8 hours to catch a fish down there? Here is a proposal anyone in an area has to have a closed season on species, live in NJ Pa. no fishin until march 1st for striper here or there.

Let the guy catch fish they weren't there when we had them now it is their turn. Stripers swim and eat and they catch them and brag just like the rest. Find something else worth more to worship, like your kids or family

[TWIN D'S]

Originally posted by THECHUMSTAIN:
This makes me laugh, all these cry baby striper worshipers crying because someone else is catching THEIR fish. Why not get on all the people driving 8 hours to catch a fish down there? Here is a proposal anyone in an area has to have a closed season on species, live in NJ Pa. no fishin until march 1st for striper here or there.

Let the guy catch fish they weren't there when we had them now it is their turn. Stripers swim and eat and they catch them and brag just like the rest. Find something else worth more to worship, like your kids or family smile.gif

[THECHUMSTAIN]

Phil what you grinnin about ;) :D

[TWIN D'S]

John,

That was a smile in basic agreement, not a grin. :D As a group, I think we tend to focus on what the "other guy" is doing. We had our shot at fish.
There may be many fishers down there, but I'm not sure they would eclipse the numbers in the rips and the pond on a calm November day.

Phil

[NCsurffisher]

Just to clarify, the primary federally-managed migrating stock that spawns in NC does so in the Roanoke River, and those fish ARE protected during the spring spawn. All C&R. Still is a huge draw for anglers.

[Rick Caton]

NC Surfisher,
Not to mention all the bad weather that also keeps us from getting out fishing.
It doesn't take much swell to close out Oregon Inlet these days .Mother nature keeps us tied to the dock much more than we want to be.
Oregon Inlet has become pretty much a "Hell Hole" to get in and out of.

[Bob ECT]

Originally posted by Keeper Seeker:
BLOODSTAINS, No offense intended but try this on. The regs. state that a man can take two "per day". A man cannot take two, return to port, and then go back out and take two more. Agreed?
Yep, the Capt and Crew is not allowed to keep two on the morning trip and two in the afternoon.

That said they don't get too many good days down there. The pics look like alot but the weather doesn't allow that everyday. Much, much more bass gets tossed overboard as dead discards by the comm draggers/trawlers then the recs and charters guys catch down there.

[ 01-28-2004, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: Bob ECT ]