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    Default New York NO-Show at ASMFC's Meeting in Philly

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    No NY reps at the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission meeting related to stock assessment for striped bass
    By Zeno
    This came in the email from Charles Witek ,chairman of the Costal Conservation Association Atlantic State Fisheries. By the time you are done reading, the steam will coming out of your ears. There has to be some way to reach out to our governor and voice our displesure.
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    By Charles Witek

    Right now, the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission is holding a four-day meeting in Philadelphia related to the upcoming benchmark stock assessment for striped bass. That benchmark assessment, which will probably be completed next spring, will be used by fisheries managers to determine how striped bass will be managed for the next span of years–perhaps until 2020 or so.
    Representatives from every important striped bass state, and maybe from every state with a declared interest in striped bass are there—except for New York, which is unrepresented.
    New York was supposed to send three people. Andy Kahnle, from the Hudson River unit, who sits on ASMFC’s Striped Bass Technical Committee, Carol [I don’t recall her last name] from DEC’s Marine Bureau, who addresses coastal striped bass management issues and Cathy Hattala, who deals with bass up on the Hudson (DEC Marine Bureau Hudson River Unit). ASMFC would have paid for all travel expenses.
    Today, I got a phone call from Dick Brame, who is Coastal Conservation Association’s Atlantic States coordinator and thus attending the meeting as an observer. He told me that three Technical Committee members came up to him and asked why New York was not represented at the meeting, given the importance of striped bass to New York and the importance of New York’s Hudson River spawning grounds to striped bass. Cathy Hattala tried to participate in the meeting via “Webinar”, but apparently the connection was so bad and so time-delayed that she could not effectively take part. As a result, data related to New York’s striped bass fishery (and, I assume, related to things such as the Hudson River abundance index, although I don’t know that for sure) could not be considered at the meeting.
    Apparently, the no-show was a result of the governor’s prohibition on travel; even though the travel would have been paid for by ASMFC, the DEC folks couldn’t go.
    One would think that a meeting discussing the future management of a fish as important to New York’s anglers as striped bass, should have been important enough for Cuomo’s office to permit travel, particularly when the costs of such travel will be picked up by ASMFC—and particularly when New York’s Hudson River hosts the second-largest spawning population of striped bass on the coast. However, that was not the case. Instead, New York anglers and New York’s striped bass fishery were effectively unrepresented.
    This is the sort of thing that the public never hears about, and probably should.
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    I saw this too.
    According to their website, www.asmfc.org the meeting doesn't happen until Aug. 7th--10 in Alexandria, VA. Unless of course this is a secret meeting, out of the pubic's eye, which wouldn't suprise me.

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    I was scratching my head on this one too as the post on the SJ Blog was the first I heard of a striped bass meeting in Philly.

    I most likely dropped the ball, but I would have liked to swing through if it was open to the public to see what it's all about.

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    The meeting in Virginia is related to the Menhaden if I am not mistaken..

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    I still can't find anything online in regards to this meeting? I find a lot of references to striped bass meetings in Philadelphia in August, but not a single one is for this calendar year...

    I am stupid, but am I this stupid??

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    Nope, nothing about the striped bass in Philadelphia. Absolutely nothing in the beginning of August, the one where the lady from NY could not connect remotely?? I saw they were on the docket, tomorrow I think, for the meeting in VA.

    Oh well, this is moot and I'll just accept that I am an idiot

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    I got two emails from MAFMC on July 30th. First one was regarding the "Visioning Stakeholder Report" that was just released. The report pertains to the councils semi-recent meetings with anglers regarding ways to improve the science, process, communication between fishery mgrs and anglers, rebuild trust in the process.......blah blah blah.

    I sat thru the meetings and provided commentary. The fact there is a report is more than what I thought would come of it so I guess I should remain open minded and hope something positive comes out of it. But I'm not holding breathe. Have not gone thru the report yet but certainly intend to.

    The 2nd email was for the MAFMC meetings in Phila, PA from August 13-16. Meeting is being held at the Courtyard Philadelphia Downtown, 21 North Juniper St., phila PA 19107. Rough agenda was as follows:

    8/13 - visioning & Strategic planning work group.

    8/14 - ecosystem & ocean planning committee, swearing in new/reappointed council mbrs, Delawares request for special mgmt zones for their reefs in federal waters, and scup.

    8/15 - summer flounder (900-1030 am), scup (1030-noon), black sea bass (100-400 pm), bluefish (400-500 pm),

    8/16 - rsa proposals, spiny dogfish, strategic planning per station by dr russel brown, liaison reports, new business, etc.

    All the above is open to the public and has to be online somewhere. If anyone wants copies of the actual emails feel free to shoot me your email and I"ll forward. I'm sure if you were to shoot Kathy Collins an email she would add you to the email list.

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    The meeting in Va. is a regular meeting, and they will discuss all fish they regulate, including proposed regs on Striped Bass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanF View Post
    Oh well, this is moot and I'll just accept that I am an idiot

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    If you're the idiot then I must be the entire village!

    It's my understanding that each state has 3 representatives on the AFMC. The Commisioner of the DEP and two other appointees.

    So is NJ well represented?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast26 View Post
    If you're the idiot then I must be the entire village!

    It's my understanding that each state has 3 representatives on the AFMC. The Commisioner of the DEP and two other appointees.

    So is NJ well represented?
    The Internet is the village and we are all idiots bro!

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    I just talked to a friend of mine ( on the phone, during his lunch) who is an ASMFC member appointed from De., they are currently discussing the Menhaden issue. It is not a closed secret meeting as someone suggested, represenitives from many interests are in attendance

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    http://m.capemaycountyherald.com/art...time+be+crabby goto the bottom and it tells u all about the meeting

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