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    Quote Originally Posted by BayRat View Post
    After reading your link above it sounds as though these "problems" didn't start until stricter laws were put in place in 2006? Hmmm....
    From what I’ve been told the problems have been overlooked for the sake of profit. Now the locals are sick of them and pushing (electing) the issue.
    No issue to me either way. I’ll do what I like no matter

    I was supporting JZ points about the “Other” by-products of social decay. Like I said it does matter to me but I do not like the idea of more money pouring into an already out of control Gov.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtop View Post
    Why type something that is already published. Gov's who have tried it are now rethinking it. We (people like yourself not me) seem to think Europe has all the answers yet when they turn back you attack the article or poster. I realize you think your a tough guy but if that makes you feel good more power to you.
    I find it interesting that you know me and what I'm about. "We (people like yourself not me) seem to think Europe has all the answers yet when they turn back you attack the article or poster" It's news to me that I think Europe has all the answers I'm glad you know more about me than I do. I think politically speaking Europe in general sucks and I stand for the complete opposite of socialism but AS ALWAYS that is your least common denominator. Everything in your world is D is R that, blah blah blah, Ya know having tunnel vision and being close-minded is very detrimental to learning and progress in one's own mind. I find it quite hilarious that you are the typical ignorant conservative, republican, tea-bagger or whatever the new catch name you subscribe to on your preaching to your own choir websites. A true conservative or real republican would support and defend the constitution and liberty. Most importantly LIBERTY, you know as in an adult should be free to make their own decisions on many of the things that you types don't like. You then would have no issues with abortions, gays or whatever else you don't like and is in your targets. Your types are very hypocritical, you pretend to be about it (LIBERTY) but only when it's something you like and never if it's something you don't like. I'm about it, sure their are plenty of things I don't like or agree with but who am I to be the judge, where as you want to be the judge, therefore denying liberty.

    You realize I think I'm a tough guy but if that makes me feel good more power to you. ? I mean really? Come on man, what you are in high school? I find it very interesting that a man that is always chirping about "these liberals always insult because they don't have anything of substance to add" and accuse me of being European and socialist (which is an unfounded jab at me as well) just displayed his hypocrisy again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtop View Post
    From what I’ve been told the problems have been overlooked for the sake of profit. Now the locals are sick of them and pushing (electing) the issue.
    No issue to me either way. I’ll do what I like no matter

    I was supporting JZ points about the “Other” by-products of social decay. Like I said it does matter to me but I do not like the idea of more money pouring into an already out of control Gov.
    It sounds to me as the locals are sick of the new stricter laws, not the "problems" that they caused.

    I agree, I don't want to see all of that new money being wasted by our government, but hopefully the new money along with 10 fold that in savings (war on drugs) will somehow push us in the direction of getting back on track. Gotta start somewhere.

    And by the way, your article was written in 2008....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyZuks View Post
    You are dangerously delusional if you think heroin and meth aren't in your neighborhood and in the schools
    It's actually a big part of the drug problem that faces this country today, denial..... I think we've lived the last 20 sum yrs in fear and propaganda. The old way of thinking has failed, it's time to move forward with a different plan.. Legalize it!

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    It makes me laugh. Everyone on here thinks the govt wastes money, yet........they think if they can just collect tax on pot,their going to do the right thing with it. What a bunch of dopes! I say NO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBI-Waterman View Post
    Why would there be hookers on every corner? Society in whole would not tolerate that. - If it were legal, there would be nothing society could do about it.

    Just because it was legal? Cigs, alcohol, gambling, RX drugs ect... are all legal and they are not 'on every street corner' Why does it have to be this big doom and gloom drama? -RX drugs are only legal with a prescription. OK, maybe not a hooker on every corner, but if they could roam the streets freely, you know they would. If hookers where legal they could have cathouses for them and make it safe(STD testing) and a grown man could actually enjoy LIBERTY and spend is hard earned money however the hell he feels like. - For some, but not all. Have you ever been to Vegas(only 5 of NV 18 counties prostitution is illegal) or St. Martin? There are no hookers on the street corners were it is legal but the are plenty of them on the streets where it is illegal.


    Actually it has been proven in Europe that when dope is legal or tolerated usage actually went down quite substantially.

    Nothing personal JZ but you are trying to use your opinions to contradict facts, that ain't gonna work for your arguments sake. I respect your opinions but I don't agree with them
    "Fact" is that heroin is not legal and easily obtainable. Can one get it? Sure. But not as easy as I can go to any liquor store and get alcohol, tobacco, and lottery tickets.

    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyZuks View Post
    You are dangerously delusional if you think heroin and meth aren't in your neighborhood and in the schools
    Who is setting up straw men now? Please show me where I said those things not in our neighborhood or schools.

    I said they are not easily, legally obtainable. And you know that.

    Please don't force me into calling you a liar again. Keep the conversation honest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandion View Post
    It's actually a big part of the drug problem that faces this country today, denial..... I think we've lived the last 20 sum yrs in fear and propaganda. The old way of thinking has failed, it's time to move forward with a different plan.. Legalize it!
    Denial of what? Is heroin addiction currently a massive, common problem? I hear about it sometimes, but honestly, it's not that often.

    Do you really believe heroin use will go down if we make it legal and readily available? Come on. That's not using intelligent reasoning at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtop View Post
    From what I’ve been told the problems have been overlooked for the sake of profit. Now the locals are sick of them and pushing (electing) the issue.
    No issue to me either way. I’ll do what I like no matter

    I was supporting JZ points about the “Other” by-products of social decay. Like I said it does matter to me but I do not like the idea of more money pouring into an already out of control Gov.

    Oh jeez Another fine job at your hypocrisy....
    Did you know what the 'War on drugs' and the cost of imprisoning people cost us tax payers? It's in the TRILLIONS, good thing you don't like the idea of pouring money into the government because that seem like money well spent

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    To JZ, sorry I suck at multiple replying.........
    Why would there be hookers on every corner? Society in whole would not tolerate that. - If it were legal, there would be nothing society could do about it. Why? Ever here of loitering charges>?Can you setup a liquor store or a bar in your front yard? Why do you have to make this into something that is not? There would be laws, rules and regulations as in anything else, you can't be a hooker on the street put it into a legal building and run it as a business. Stripping and go-going aren't illegal, unfortunately I have have seen it on the street corner just in their legal establishments.

    Just because it was legal? Cigs, alcohol, gambling, RX drugs ect... are all legal and they are not 'on every street corner' Why does it have to be this big doom and gloom drama? -RX drugs are only legal with a prescription. Don't dissect the gnat OK, maybe not a hooker on every corner, but if they could roam the streets freely, you know they would. Nope.. see above. If hookers where legal they could have cathouses for them and make it safe(STD testing) and a grown man could actually enjoy LIBERTY and spend is hard earned money however the hell he feels like. - For some, but not all. Huh? not sure what you are saying. Have you ever been to Vegas(only 5 of NV 18 counties prostitution is illegal) or St. Martin? There are no hookers on the street corners were it is legal but the are plenty of them on the streets where it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBI-Waterman View Post
    To JZ, sorry I suck at multiple replying.........
    Why would there be hookers on every corner? Society in whole would not tolerate that. - If it were legal, there would be nothing society could do about it. Why? Ever here of loitering charges>?Can you setup a liquor store or a bar in your front yard? Why do you have to make this into something that is not? There would be laws, rules and regulations as in anything else, you can't be a hooker on the street put it into a legal building and run it as a business. Stripping and go-going aren't illegal, unfortunately I have have seen it on the street corner just in their legal establishments.

    Just because it was legal? Cigs, alcohol, gambling, RX drugs ect... are all legal and they are not 'on every street corner' Why does it have to be this big doom and gloom drama? -RX drugs are only legal with a prescription. Don't dissect the gnat OK, maybe not a hooker on every corner, but if they could roam the streets freely, you know they would. Nope.. see above. If hookers where legal they could have cathouses for them and make it safe(STD testing) and a grown man could actually enjoy LIBERTY and spend is hard earned money however the hell he feels like. - For some, but not all. Huh? not sure what you are saying. Have you ever been to Vegas(only 5 of NV 18 counties prostitution is illegal) or St. Martin? There are no hookers on the street corners were it is legal but the are plenty of them on the streets where it is illegal.
    Fine, maybe the prostitution stuff could be "controlled." Deal.

    Now explain to me how legal, easily obtainable heroin is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyZac View Post
    Fine, maybe the prostitution stuff could be "controlled." Deal.

    Ok you see the light!

    Now explain to me how legal, easily obtainable heroin is a good thing.
    I don't think heroin is and never said it should, but I sure as **** think pot should be at the least tolerated criminally speaking.

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    Yes i know when the article was written. I've also worked over there for almost 20 yrs. It all sounds good until you talk to the local folks. Its money to those who want it much like False Prophets throughout history . Putting money into police and military is much different than putting into the hands of politicians who will abuse it. In the end societies fall when they look to sources like this to solve their irresponsible spending behaviors.
    BTW - LIBERTY comes with responsible behavior not Overindulgence which seems to have run wild in our culture today
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBI-Waterman View Post
    I don't think heroin is and never said it should, but I sure as **** think pot should be at the least tolerated criminally speaking.

    Thanks for changing your pic. Your kids are cute and I'm sure they are wonderful but it makes for awkward situations in the office when my employees and clients see me online with pics of little kids And you know its impossible to be on the BB and not have your posts on the screen all the time
    So in this "Land of the Free," a woman should be able to sell her body, but she can't walk around on the street?

    Legalizing pot I don't really get into, because it's coming, whether people like it or not. But in this very thread, people have stated that heroin should be legal, and that is what I am taking issue with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyZac View Post
    So in this "Land of the Free," a woman should be able to sell her body, but she can't walk around on the street? She can walk around the street just not engaging in hooking, how can I explain it differently? There would be laws that say prostitution is only legal in a brothel not in a public street same as a titty bar.

    Legalizing pot I don't really get into, because it's coming, whether people like it or not. But in this very thread, people have stated that heroin should be legal, and that is what I am taking issue with.

    Admittedly I have mixed emotions about it. Technically being free and having liberty would say yes but common sense says no. Liberty does not mean a free for all and I believe Jefferson said by definition liberty doesn't supercede the laws of the state
    but it should not encroach on your freedom to do as you please as long as it doesn't directly harm someone else. If I had to pick a side I would say keep it illegal simply because I see no benefit from using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBI-Waterman View Post
    ...........If I had to pick a side I would say keep it illegal simply because I see no benefit from using it.

    Life in a state of liberty is not perfect. It makes no guarantees other than the opportunity to pursue your happiness. You may prosper or you may be poor. You may be safe or you may come to harm.........
    Totally agree. My issue with heroin is that NOTHING good can come from it. Literally NOTHING AT ALL.

    And then when you become a loser addict, or OD, die, and leave a wife and kids behind, it is MY TAXES that must be used to provide for them.

    YOUR LIBERTY should not impose on MY LIBERTY. That's all I'm saying.

    I'm not trying to legislate morality (though I do see why it looks that way). I'm trying to use legislation to keep your bad choices from impacting me, and society as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyZac View Post
    Do you really believe heroin use will go down if we make it legal and readily available? Come on. That's not using intelligent reasoning at all.
    Sure, people want what they can't have!

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