what about with the hobie mirage drives must not be as bad:huh: hey barrel when do you open shop im looking into get a new kayak for spring wanna check some of the hobie yaks out?All depends on how nice it is. On an offshore wind many times guys have neded rescue. Its so easy to keep going deeper on an offshore wind but very dificult for a begginer to paddle back against it. Ive gone a couple miles on realy nice flat days. 1/4 to 1/2 mile if its cold or choppy.