[deep defiance]

Now that we are avidly talking about mako fishing my question to you guys is do you think it is safe to say that you can land a mako?

1) on these lighter rods and reels? examples,Jigging master,talica,avet raptor or Alutecnos Gorilla type tackle? taking for granted the rod has enough back bone for the fight.
2) will the rod allow you to penetrate (with that big hook) the sharks jaw?
3) do you think the increased drag pressure of these new style reels will pull more hooks and increase leader failures(break more wire and 49strand and pop more swivels) than would normally happen with the normal drag of between 17-22lbs of drag?

I am prepared to do the shark tourney with type of tackle this year (if there is a shark tourney) and wanted to get a feel from others and different perspective about this type of tackle.

I'm not talking about going out to the 1,000fa of the Poormans and doing this only for the inshore mako maybe at the most 250#'s or maybe a thresher of about a max of 400#'s.

But for conversation sakes lets just say that this tackle would also be used well beyond the 100line? what do you think? would you think this tackle would stand up to a 350-600lb mako! is it possible?

 

[paul708]

if you have enough line capacity.
backbone in rod,
and drag in reels.

why would there be a problem?

 

[deep defiance]

Paul.

if you have enough line capacity.
backbone in rod,
and drag in reels.

why would there be a problem?

So in other words there shoulden't be a problem?

ps.Where are my rods? I am starting to get shaky?:wave:

 

[RIKTRONIC]

i think that after hook set with a lot of backbone on your rod you can let em run with a lighter drag, and then bump it up and wear em down...we pitched a few smaller mako's (50-100#) with some lighter gear and were losing fish with a heavy drag

 

[paul708]

So in other words there shoulden't be a problem?

ps.Where are my rods? I am starting to get shaky?:wave:

HAS ANYONE SEEN DEEPS RODS?????

i thought you were coming to the show last weekend.

 

[deep defiance]

paul.

I was sick all last week even at the Wash rally but still attended but after the bus ride I wasnt in the mood to go to the show,worse than a bad boat ride in rough seas!.And thats not to often that I would pass a show bye,I go to all the shows.Why do you have my rods ready? I'll stop out over the weekend at your convienence if you do.

 

[Warden Pass]

we have cut the line on inshore makos and then handlined fish while we stripped line off another reel to retie it to due to a handle breaking on a Penn 30. If you can hold them with hands any of those rods you mentioned will work. We also have caught 150lbrs on spinning tackle. Not the good kind. Like a 2500 baitruuner that yuou would use for stripers. A alucentos gorrilla is overkill for makos. That's one little tough reel

 

[Get Some]

When sharking,you never know whats gonna show up,100lb or 500lb but if these rods can take a 200 lb tuna,I believe they will beat a 300 lb mako.Most of these little reels now days will handle 500 yds of 65 lb braid with plenty of drag.:fighting:

 

[Captain's John & Diana]

It is not the Mako that you should be concerned with but the ones with the long tails

Any of the top dedicated jigging tackle can handle almost any Mako you catch in our local inshore waters except possible those caught out in the deep. When I have hooked into a few over 500 lbs at night in the canyons they were almost all Long fin Big Eye Mako's that sounded deep so you needed a lot of capacity but they are illegal anyways so it matters little. I have only had a couple of really good sized Short Fin Mako’s over the last 20 years I have been canyon fishing at night and we handled them all with 50's class tackle without any problems except for one that was over 500 lbs and we used the chair for that shark. I might add we have released or lost every big shark in the deep we have ever fought as they will challenge the best of anglers and every one we hand fed as they came right up to the boat and swim around waiting to eat a tuna or our chum. Only one Short Fin actually ate a False Albacore-Squid fillet on a float out in the slick over the years on our boat at night. Unfortunately this was all back quite a few years ago and we have not seen any sharks close to this size sharks recently. From my personal experience I do think you will be able to withstand a long fight with heavy drags without a belt-harness on a canyon size Mako or a really big inshore Thresher. This past January down in Morehead City, NC while Giant Bluefin Tuna fishing we had a Thresher dump 200-300 yards of line with 45 lbs of drag on one of our 130 class outfits with 200 lb spectra so they can pull and that is what I would be most concerned about especially in a tournament. On our boat we only target Mako’s but you never know when a big Thresher will show up especially if you are inshore.

Pertaining to pulled hooks we did some experimenting in the past using heavy drags on sharks and this is what we came up with. I was fortunate to have met Dennis Braid years ago when he fished on the Delta Dawn down in Morehead City when he was pioneering stand-up fishing for GBT. We patterned a short stroke heavy rod built for us out in Costa Mesa, CA that was less than 5 ft long with almost no parabolic action and coupled this to a Penn 80 reel. We later changed this to a Shimano Tiagra 80 with 130 lb spectra for stand-up GBT fishing. We fished these set-ups with 18 lbs at strike and about 34 lbs at full drag and on the Penn 80 we had Cal Sheets in California Blueprint this reel and change the drag washers to the Smoooth Drag Carbontex washers. We decided to test these heavy stand-up outfits on our local sharks in our area about 10 years ago and found we were pulling way too many hooks using the short stiff stand-up rods with that much drag pressure. We quickly decided to go back to standard stand-up shark tackle where we fish for sharks with about 18 lbs of drag maximum on rods built on Cal Star blanks that were longer and more parabolic. Another issue is when fishing higher drags we often got the shark to the boat in minutes and they were very green and we had problems dunking the short rod to keep them out of the running gear as they often when wild alongside the boat since they were so green. For this reason I prefer a little longer rod for stand-up shark fishing but with a center console it might not be a problem but you do have those out boards back there and a short jigging rod might have problems clearing them and they will run under the boat at times when they are green. Possibly the pulled hook issues we had might be eliminated using 16/0 circle hooks these days as we only used J hooks back then and today we only use heavy 550 lb mono leaders on sharks and wind the leader right up to the Aussie Swivel.

I have seriously thought about doing the same thing with my jigging tackle if we ever get one of those days when we get numerous sharks in our slick since most are small and released anyways and try to add some fun which it definitely would be using jigging tackle. My friends down in Morehead City catch all kinds of sharks on jigs intended for Amberjacks and some are pretty good size ones so I know it can be done. Best of luck this coming season.

 

[RIKTRONIC]

great post capt john

 

[deep defiance]

I agree! Great post capt.John!

great post capt john

This is what the Barn is truly all about!

I dont see a problem with the outboards as I am quite use to them but do see a problem with the hook set and the heavy drag.I am not use to using circle hooks for sharks but with take your advise and rig these rods with circles.I have only used mustad offset J's in the past with the welded eye's so I will have to do a few prelimenary trips prior to the tourney to get use to them.I have used circles for tuna,swords,stripers and had success with them accept on stripers when either small or being picky then opt for J's. But never used them for shark quite interesting.

 

[f.stop]

the set up that has aways worked for me for both large and small fish.....becuse you never know when your get into a big mako....and it might be a fish of a life time!

6 foot rod 50-100lbs....or 40-80lbs..w. 100lbs top shot of 150 yrds then jerry brown 130lbs spectra (this almost double the line cap. and will eliminate much of the strech will just mono and will insure a solid hook up!!)

rigs 360lbs single strand wire 5 ft to 600lbs cable 7ft (i use bet. a 9/0- 11/0 offset j hook or a 14/0-16/0 circle hook


and remember......only the freshest bait and chum.......good luck!


f. stop

 

[deep defiance]

f.stop.

I'll have to remember the 14/0-16/0 circles for shark,Like I said I have never even thought about using a circle for shark but do know that the LLer's do very well with them.And Tournament Cable has been incorperating them in some of there shark rigs for quite sometime.Have you ever experienced a Mako small or large snapping the 300+lb piano wire? I don't remember what type of wire it was so I wont say but it was major co, a few seasons ago we lost several sharks due to this.The first shark we lost we thought it had bent or put a crimp in the piano wire the second one on the same day we lost determined it was the wire and threw that package away and had to re-haywire all the rods we had out with new.

the set up that has aways worked for me for both large and small fish.....becuse you never know when your get into a big mako....and it might be a fish of a life time!

6 foot rod 50-100lbs....or 40-80lbs..w. 100lbs top shot of 150 yrds then jerry brown 130lbs spectra (this almost double the line cap. and will eliminate much of the strech will just mono and will insure a solid hook up!!)

rigs 360lbs single strand wire 5 ft to 600lbs cable 7ft (i use bet. a 9/0- 11/0 offset j hook or a 14/0-16/0 circle hook


and remember......only the freshest bait and chum.......good luck!


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