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First off as I've said countless times I am not opposed to small coastal based and heavily monitored commercial fishing....I actually feel bad for these guys and the position they've been put in by their brothers "sins of the past."

But what I'm really sick of is recs being restricted further and further (to the point of being locked out of a fishery:mad:) in order to share the remaining 'leftovers'.... I have the opportunity to talk to a lot of recs and constantly hear the same thing- "I pay for a boat,dockage,fuel,tackle,bait etc. and then am made to feel like a criminal for catching a few fish"....It is freakin ridiculous!!

now we are being told to "unite" to "keep fishing"......with the ultimate goal (I guess) of larger "quotas"..... we already have one commercial fishermen on the barn saying the first thing he wants to do (after marching with thousands of recs) if the petition/march is successful is open up the EEZ. Do you think thats a good thing??.......I'm not sure....Anyway- Ill still probably sign and march, but want to talk to a certain Captain/RFA member before I do....

Oh- What are the "sins of the past" I'm talking about?? Here's a start:

Commercial Fishermen did what?


They did nothing but wipe out the fish that we all like to fish for.

The poster board they stand behind? "we represent the public who has no access to the resource"

We represent the public "who no longer has anything to fish for"

Ok lets start at the top

1) Mackerel - who is responsible for COMPLETELY wiping out a very healthy viable stock of fish here?

2) Whiting - Yes they can still be found smoked in a fish market, - but I have not seen one in the ocean for a quite a long time.

3) Blue FIn Tuna - they are close to becoming extinct. I'M SURE 5 PURSE SEINE BOATS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. In fact it was mostly recreation use, before the commercial guys started killing them for Cat Food.

4)Weakfish - Yes us Recs have major sins on our soul from late 70's with these fish, but I still think it was constant pounding on these down south, not to mention pair Trawling here at mouth of the Delaware Bay that caused their decline to where it is today.

5) Fluke, - I witnessed real carnage on these stocks starting in early eighties , with the Draggers working these fish to the point of collapse. They fished all winte long, out on the edge, the fish never got a break. I still don't think the stocks of Fluke are anywhere close to where they were, I now have to run way offshore to fish for these, there is no longer any major inshore run of fish.

6) How about Ling? Porgies? both had great stocks 30 years ago.

7) Herring, where they all go?

8) Menhaden, the lowly Menhaden. With some measures to keep the industrial fleets out of State Waters, it is still possible to enjoy fishing in and around a school of these baitfish instead watching Pogy boats try to catch every last one.

9) No bigger disaster than the collapse of Codfish. I too witnessed and particiapated in this fishery in early eighties. They were pursued relentlessly by our fleet, all the while refusing to curb their effort, resulting in the eventual commercial collapse on entire east coast.

10) Blackback FLounder, - Yellowtail Flounder an oldie but goodie, Atlantic Halibut, if your guessing?

No it was not the recreational fisherman who fished any of these in almost non existance.
 

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Whats the average age of your concerns? Most are 70's and 80's these guys are fighting for NOW. Tell the people in Idaho not to eat fish and the commies will go out of business. These guys are working for everyone to be able to go into the ocean and enjoy fishing as well as make a living. The commies have GPS up their arse to be followed and monitored what more can be done to regulate them???? Or should the rec's say hell with this and do it on their own, OH wait they tried and it don't work because people won't fight hard enough unless it's their livelyhood.
 

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here is my thought and opinion

everyone has taken more fish than they need on the rec' side, weakies, drum, seabass, remember the days when we posted 150 bass{HIGH HOOK} for the day.

my point, if you want to ask tb something like this why not back channel,


indeed it seems that this topic/thread goes back to the roots of us and them which has been debated ab-nausea. sort of like how big a boat can i take offshore, or spot stealing, i could go on and on

i think the predominant opinion on this board is that all of our focus should be to slow down all the fishing reg's

will the comm's and rec's ever agree on everything, not a chance but maybe this will be the start of something good. even the usa and russia achieved a working relationship:D:D

but working together is our best and only chance to improve things.:thumbsup:

to me, any improvement in this a.......e reg's is to all our benefit. can we"rec's" get more short changed than we are now by all of us working together, possible but i hope not.

working together is where it is at,

eos.

The BeaV
 

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Or should the rec's say hell with this and do it on their own, OH wait they tried and it don't work because people won't fight hard enough unless it's their livelyhood.
I'm not so sure about that Stain- things are ALOT different now-especially with the seabass closure. I think an all rec march might have had some benefits (maybe pull in more manufacturer's)...doesnt matter now.

As for the rest - I dont want to see commercial guys out of business-BUT I do think (my opinion) that they should be THE FIRST ones shut down when a stock is deemed in trouble. When it recovers- let em back..
 

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Char,

the sins of the past are not relevent to this conversation today.

I don't think you get it all, I am growing tired of your aurgument.

Capt John ( Chumstain) says enough for me here -Captn Joe

Capt Joe- Capt. TB asked what my reservations were and I answered him...took it off the other thread so it wouldn't get sidetracked. Believe me I'm not the only one.

Your post is only 2 years old! Amazing how fast things change..All rebuilt and all forgiven....If I dont get it all- and I probably dont- please fill me in..
 

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IMO alot of the closures and strict regulations we are seeing has more to do with politics than with fish. There are alot of people out there with alot of money that want all fishing stopped,,,hence the reasoning behind people saying comm. and rec. guys need to stick together:)
 

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IMO alot of the closures and strict regulations we are seeing has more to do with politics than with fish. There are alot of people out there with alot of money that want all fishing stopped,,,hence the reasoning behind people saying comm. and rec. guys need to stick together:)

Didn't those same folks want all hunting stopped? How come they did not succeed? I can still kill deer, rabbits and groudhawgs for food. I can even still run a trap line if I so desire..

I don't neccesarily buy that some force wants to stop fishing. I do think they want to stop and prevent the rape of the oceans that has occured, Char your history is correct as i remember it.. I too am for Comms and have nothing against them, actually respect their work. We do need to reestalish some of the species mentioned and some not mentioned as well.
 
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