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This evening while on Foxnews, “Greta on the Record”, Chris Christie was repeatedly asked, once the border is secure what does he proposes to do with the millions of illegal entrants who are here. But instead of laying out a point by point plan dealing with the tens of millions of illegal aliens who are here and by their very presence are causing devastating social, financial and political consequences, Chris Christie decided to use the amnesty crowd’s talking point and said, he will not discuss that issue until the border is secure. Of course, about 45 percent of illegals who are here have come in legally and overstayed their visas which has nothing to do with securing the border.

Christie’s refusal to lay out a plan dealing with the tens of millions of illegal entrants who are here is convincing evidence he intends, at the very least, to find a way to legalize them and give them work permits so they can remain in our country which is exactly what Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, and John Kasich intend to do, regardless of the devastating effects suffered by American citizens from the presence of illegal entrants and their children.

It is quite obvious that any thinking person concerned with the General Welfare of the United States and her citizens, would, at the very least, offer a point by point plan making it uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain in the country and would encourage them to leave on their own. For example, a modest plan dealing with aliens who are in our country illegally could include:

Requiring business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

Stepping up the prosecution of business owners who hire illegal entrants;

Deny illegal entrants any tax payer financed medical care (excepting in a life death situation);

Deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public school system and all public assistance programs, i.e., any privileges created by a state for its citizens;

Direct the appropriate federal government agencies to identify aliens who have overstayed their visa and prioritized their expulsion from our country whenever their name comes up when applying for a driver’s license, stopped for a traffic infraction or other crime, etc.

Forbid and make it a crime for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

Evict section eight occupants and public housing occupants if caught harboring illegal aliens;

And making it a point to never allow a person who has entered our country illegally, or is here illegally and caught, to re-enter our country legally in the future __ giving existing illegals a two month period to leave on their own before implementing this rule.

But our beloved tough talking Governor from New Jersey, which is the armpit of New York City which has a love affair with illegal entrants, refuses to have an adult conversation about one of the most pressing issues of our times ___ how do we get rid of the tens of millions of aliens who are here illegally and by their very presence are causing social, financial and political consequences which are suffered by American citizens.

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To support Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

 

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Johnwk is a Trump guy. I think Christie is an absolute bozo. Out of the candidates left he isn't even in their league.
 

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Johnwk is a Trump guy.
I am? I still don't know who I will support and am beginning to think my only choice will be is the lessor of the evils presented to us.


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The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.




 

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Black and Puerto Rican American citizens are squeezed out of jobs by illegal entrants

And he called Jimmy jr. Feckless:please: He is just another double talking politician. There is only 3 that have a shot Trump,Cruz,Rubio all the others are wasting supporters money. As long as jebbers stays in the other establishment candidates will stay in so as to drag him along.
Chris Christie doesn't give a hoot about American citizens who are loosing their jobs to illegal entrants. And this is why he will not lay out a plan dealing with illegal entrants who are here.

The fact is, approximately 45 percent of American citizens are now unemployed, many of whom have been squeezed out of the job market by illegal entrants!

The sad truth is, a very large percentage of decent paying jobs in the construction trades [carpentry, roofing, plumbing, dry wall, masonry, etc.] which were formerly held by American citizens who are Black or Puerto Rican, have been taken over by illegal entrants from Mexico and Central America. And these American citizens have lost these jobs to illegal entrants who work for sub-contractors who hire illegals off the books, below the going wage while the illegal entrant does not pay taxes on their earned wage. This is how illegal entrants compete with American citizens for these decent paying jobs and have squeeze America’s Blacks and Puerto Ricans out of these decent paying jobs.

During the 1970s I was working with some very prominent Real Estate developers who were converting commercial properties in New York City such as the Cast Iron Building, the Old Post Office Building and countless others commercial properties into modern apartment buildings. I saw with my own eyes that sub-contractors, especially dry wall, masonry, roofing and carpentry were using resident aliens who were paid in cash at the end of the week, and off the books.

As the years went by, the number of resident aliens grew on our job sites in these decent paying jobs and America's Black and Puerto Rican tradesmen were pushed out of work, and especially on non-union job sites.

In any event, it is very telling how Chris Christie avoids talking about how illegal immigration has affected American citizens, especially Blacks and Puerto Ricans who have been squeezed out of decent paying jobs by those who have invaded our borders.

Chris Christie is a sock puppet to the unpatriotic Chamber of Commerce, Club for Growth and our Global Governance Crowd who have no allegiance to America or any nation and whose bottom line interests is fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants?

Chris Christie should be ashamed of himself for refusing to point out how illegal aliens affect our job market and American citizens.

JWK

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Off topic but who (Rep) do you guys think will run for Governor after Christie?
 

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...........Christie’s refusal to lay out a plan dealing with the tens of millions of illegal entrants who are here is convincing evidence he intends, at the very least, to find a way to legalize them and give them work permits so they can remain in our country........
"Convincing evidence?" Really?

Christie's refusal to lay out a plan tells me that what he intends to do he thinks would be more of a con than a pro with the majority of swing voters. He doesn't want to turn people off that might vote for him, or possibly sic the media on him, so he's evading.

For all we know, his plan is to secure the border, and then go into secret Nazi police style ultra mass deportation mode. Would that be a popular platform before an election? With hardcore Righties, yes, but not with swing voters. And to be fair, he may be intending the exact opposite, namely, "amnesty for all" via Executive Order. That would be a big turnoff to the Right.

We have no idea what he's intending on doing.

"Convincing evidence?" Methinks perhaps you should reassess your choice to use that phrase.
 

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"Convincing evidence?" Really?

Christie's refusal to lay out a plan tells me that what he intends to do he thinks would be more of a con than a pro with the majority of swing voters. He doesn't want to turn people off that might vote for him, or possibly sic the media on him, so he's evading.

For all we know, his plan is to secure the border, and then go into secret Nazi police style ultra mass deportation mode. Would that be a popular platform before an election? With hardcore Righties, yes, but not with swing voters. And to be fair, he may be intending the exact opposite, namely, "amnesty for all" via Executive Order. That would be a big turnoff to the Right.

We have no idea what he's intending on doing.

"Convincing evidence?" Methinks perhaps you should reassess your choice to use that phrase.
Unless a Rep is recklessly swinging and banging the conservative drum JWK thinks they are weak. What you posted makes sense to me considering the position of the Media and the need to attract swing voters.
 

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"Convincing evidence?" Really?

Christie's refusal to lay out a plan tells me that what he intends to do he thinks would be more of a con than a pro with the majority of swing voters. He doesn't want to turn people off that might vote for him, or possibly sic the media on him, so he's evading.

For all we know, his plan is to secure the border, and then go into secret Nazi police style ultra mass deportation mode. Would that be a popular platform before an election? With hardcore Righties, yes, but not with swing voters. And to be fair, he may be intending the exact opposite, namely, "amnesty for all" via Executive Order. That would be a big turnoff to the Right.

We have no idea what he's intending on doing.

"Convincing evidence?" Methinks perhaps you should reassess your choice to use that phrase.

The facts are what they are.

No good can come from allowing 10s of millions of poverty stricken, poorly education and low skilled foreigners to flood into our country. We are already witnessing the devastating social, economic and political consequences from this uncontrolled immigration and yet, neither Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, or John Kasich is willing to talk about the devastating effects suffered by American citizens from uncontrolled immigration, and what to do about them. WHY?
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forget it this country has seen the last of her Great Days...We turned congress over to Republicans and they have done NOTHING but allow this White House to destroy this country
With the number of DEAD Registered voters and registered illegal voters and more coming every day abtlong with all the unvetted Muslims coming in how can this once Great Country survive ?
I hope and wish I am wrong BUT I seriously doubt my observations are wrong
Americans will be bowing to the East in 10 years or less and they like Germany won't even know what happen
 

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The facts are what they are.

No good can come from allowing 10s of millions of poverty stricken, poorly education and low skilled foreigners to flood into our country. We are already witnessing the devastating social, economic and political consequences from this uncontrolled immigration and yet, neither Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, or John Kasich is willing to talk about the devastating effects suffered by American citizens from uncontrolled immigration, and what to do about them. WHY?
JWK


The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.

Not only poor, low skilled, barely educated but unwilling to assimilate to our culture let alone pay taxes. I don't think a Ronald Reagan will come riding over the hill to save our nation, the group running with a R behind their name are more progressive than a D 50 years ago, and the other side is even worse. You have a self proclaimed socialist and a person that has made hundreds of millions selling out our country and leads in the polls.
 

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forget it this country has seen the last of her Great Days...We turned congress over to Republicans and they have done NOTHING but allow this White House to destroy this country
With the number of DEAD Registered voters and registered illegal voters and more coming every day abtlong with all the unvetted Muslims coming in how can this once Great Country survive ?
I hope and wish I am wrong BUT I seriously doubt my observations are wrong
Americans will be bowing to the East in 10 years or less and they like Germany won't even know what happen

The sad truth is, the leadership of both political parties work hand in hand to protect the entrenched "Washington Establishment" which uses its power to plunder the wealth which America's labor and businesses have created. The American people need to elect members to Congress whose priority is to promote the general welfare of the United States and who are not afraid to lambaste and expose members of Congress who have used their vote to fatten the fortunes of Washington's inner circle crowd.


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To support Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders, and panders to the Chamber of Commerce, the Club for Growth and our Global Governance Crowd

 

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Not only poor, low skilled, barely educated but unwilling to assimilate to our culture let alone pay taxes. I don't think a Ronald Reagan will come riding over the hill to save our nation, the group running with a R behind their name are more progressive than a D 50 years ago, and the other side is even worse. You have a self proclaimed socialist and a person that has made hundreds of millions selling out our country and leads in the polls.
Have faith Ted Cruz is that man you seek. I freely believe this man was born for this job it is his time in History.



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The facts are what they are.

No good can come from allowing 10s of millions of poverty stricken, poorly education and low skilled foreigners to flood into our country. We are already witnessing the devastating social, economic and political consequences from this uncontrolled immigration and yet, neither Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, or John Kasich is willing to talk about the devastating effects suffered by American citizens from uncontrolled immigration, and what to do about them. WHY?..........
Because when you do, you lose the election, that's why.

You act like this is some ploy on Christie's part to sneakily get elected by the Right and then go all Obama like on illegal immigration, but in reality, this is nothing more than a politician being vague on a hotbed issue so that he can get elected.

Is there some reason why it can never be just that simple?
 

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Because when you do, you lose the election, that's why.
And how do you arrive at that conclusion when no one running to be the president has been talking about the devastating effects suffered by American citizens from uncontrolled immigration, except Donald Trump, who just happens to be leading in the polls?

Why do you jump to such absurd conclusions?


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And how do you arrive at that conclusion when no one running to be the president has been talking about the devastating effects suffered by American citizens from uncontrolled immigration, except Donald Trump, who just happens to be leading in the polls?

Why do you jump to such absurd conclusions?.......
Ah, well, please allow me to channel my inner Trump then: "BE CAREFUL."

Yes, you JohnWK, should "BE CAREFUL" when you choose to call someone else "absurd."

That said, let's address your points.

- Trump is leading in the polls - Really? He is leading what polls? He has somewhere between 30%-40% of Republicans willing to answer polls. Is that what you think is needed to win a national election? 30%-40% of some Republicans? Really? Let us briefly refer back to "absurd."

- "No one" is talking about illegal immigration but Trump - Well, that sounds just like Trump saying "everyone" is backing his ideas. "Everyone?" Really? And "no one?" Really? I think again we should briefly refer back to "absurd."

Now, let's leave the land of Make Believe behind for a moment and simply discuss common sense. Try. You can do it..............

Deporting 11 million illegals is not a platform off of which to get elected. Neither is granting carte blanche amnesty to those same 11 million. It's a delicate subject on which most don't agree, and on which any intelligent politician will skirt the issue, just like social security reform and war on Islam.

Now, perhaps you want to rethink your use of the word "absurd," and the entire thought process that could lead you to use it in the first place?
 

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Ah, well, please allow me to channel my inner Trump then: "BE CAREFUL."

Yes, you JohnWK, should "BE CAREFUL" when you choose to call someone else "absurd."
What I said is your conclusion is absurd, and I stick with that opinion. Aside from that, what do your comments have to do with addressing the devastating effects from the 10s of millions of illegal aliens who are here, and Chris Christie's negligence in offering a point by point plan to deal with them?

If these illegals are allowed to stay here, our children and grandchildren will pay the price.


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The surest way for Obama to accomplish his fundamental transformation of America is to flood America with the poverty stricken and destitute populations of other countries.


 
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