[joe2897]

IS YOUR BOTTOM DRAGGING?

Great Article in ‘The Edge Big Game Fishing Journal “… Jan/Feb 2010 issue

How to save fuel & Increase Speed … by Dave Wrigley & Mark Allen


The Farrow System is the New method for bottom cleaning a hull, looks like a conventional sand blasting set up unit. But, what makes the Farrow System special is the fact that it operates at a lower pressure (55-60 psi) than a conventional (100-150 psi) sandblaster & is virtually dustless. The biggest difference, however, is the media. Instead of abrasive sand or soda that must be kept perfectly dry (sometimes difficult to do in a marine environment) the Farrow System utilizes pulverized volcanic rock or pumice. This material, when blended with water creates slurry and in turn this slurry brings two important advantages to the process.
First, the water results in a process that is for all intents and purposes, dust-free. Consequently there is far less debris to work its way into your boats every nook & cranny. Second, the slurry mix, coupled with the reduced pressure, results in a process that is far more gentle & forgiving while eliminating the pitting that is common to conventional sandblasting.
Nevertheless, the new process enables service technicians to rapidly remove built up layers of paint while leaving the barrier coat and gelcoat virtually untouched.

The Farrow System is the only cleaning method of its type that uses HEAT, which gives fast, safe, very low pressure cleaning….

Marinas that carry “The Farrow System “ are Cardinal Yachts Sales Marina – Somers Point , NJ – 609-927-1175… [email protected] and Canyon Club Maria – Cape May , NJ – 609-884-0333… [email protected] Ask for Dave Wrigley.

Cardinal Joe

 

[joe2897]

Farrow System - Bertram 37

( Farrow System ) a 37 Bertram



This is some of the most expensive Bottom Paint on the market today - each gallon weights about 40 lbs.

Bertram Blue = 3 parts Blue paint & 1 part Black paint !

 

[DoubleG]

How much of a difference?

I've got a 26' 98 Albemarle which has about 7 coats of bottom paint. I've been dry racking the boat for the last 3 years, but I'm thinking of a wet slip this year. How often is it recommended to strip & barrier coat a boat?
Fully loaded I'm getting 1.3 MPG. Any idea of how much of an improvement if the bottom is stripped?

 

[joe2897]

Farrow System - Flower Pot - BW 13

" Flower Pot " - Boston Whaler 13 ft ! Well another Project / Restore this old ( maybe early 60's ) Hull # ? Was going to become a backyard Flower Bed !

 

[joe2897]

Farrow System - BW 17

Farrow System the hull of a Boston Whaler 17 and it really did need it !

 

[joe2897]

I've got a 26' 98 Albemarle which has about 7 coats of bottom paint. I've been dry racking the boat for the last 3 years, but I'm thinking of a wet slip this year. How often is it recommended to strip & barrier coat a boat?
Fully loaded I'm getting 1.3 MPG. Any idea of how much of an improvement if the bottom is stripped?

How often is it recommended to strip & barrier coat a boat?.... Well, I have some customers that have it done every couple of years and then I have other customers that say 5 + coats of paint or more .... Offshore Race Boats have it done every year if bottom is painted or left in slip ...

Fully loaded I'm getting 1.3 MPG. Any idea of how much of an improvement if the bottom is stripped..... Poss. a Knot to Knot & half or 5% to 8% better performance.... some boat have gotten up to 2 knots with the proper surface preparation , good paint & Prop Speed added to the Prop's & Rudders ..... Every boat - differ , there a lot of factors ....

Cardinal Joe :thumbsup:

 

[swab1985]

( Farrow System ) a 37 Bertram



This is some of the most expensive Bottom Paint on the market today - each gallon weights about 40 lbs.

Bertram Blue = 3 parts Blue paint & 1 part Black paint !

Cant see any pics of the Little Bert'.... What kinda paint? Whats an approximate cost per foot to have the bottom farrowed ?

 

[Dunk]

I'd really like to see this Farrow deal work. I don't understand how it can take anything off at 55-60lbs of pressure. Some people have that much pressure on their garden hoses.

When I was cleaning bottoms back when I used a 4000lb pressure washer with a 13hp Honda engine with a sand attachment.. Used 00 sand and it wasn't anything real fast. Worked about 12" from the surface. No dust because you were blowing more water than sand. But everything went into the ground under the boat. Had to becareful not to do it on grass. Grass won't grow for 4-5yrs because of the copper in the soil.

Joe, how do you handle the waste product??

 

[Salty Tricks]

Joe

Care do give a @foot ballpark cost for the Farrow system..... or is it price differently?

Michael

 

[lonesurfer]

The farrow system really is all its cracked up to be. I've seen the system working first hand on a couple different boats. The whaler pictures are great examples as that 13 whaler had alot of paint on it probably since the 60's. If your thinking about sanding the paint off the bottom it won't pay the amount of sandpaper you'll go through and the amount of time it will take to sand it all off it won't be worthwhile. When sanding there is also the risk of burning through the paint and hitting bare glass. The farrow system is safe and won't damage the gelcoat. If you want a nice clean bottom and actually know how much paint is on your bottom go with the farrow system. Your boat will be very happy with a nice clean layer of paint applied to the bottom of the hull instead of 15 layers of old bottom paint.

 

[swab1985]

Is there anyone who knows what this might cost? Is it cheaper or more expensive than soda blasting?????????

Brian

 

[joe2897]

Cost of Farrow System ...

The Farrow System is $ 55.00 per/ft for the bottom painted part of the Hull…. The cost of $55.00 per/ft is ONLY for the removal of paint … Any bottom repairs (Blisters / Factory Air Voids, etc) & barrier coating is extra… Time & Material.... Cardinal Hour Rate is $99.00 per/hour ….. Cardinal Joe :thumbsup:

 

[swab1985]

Thanks Joe! Im thinking about getting it done! So approx. 2,300$ for a 42'er.. Not bad, considering the price of fuel, you might break even on saved fuel over a few years

 

[joe2897]

I'd really like to see this Farrow deal work. I don't understand how it can take anything off at 55-60lbs of pressure. Some people have that much pressure on their garden hoses.

When I was cleaning bottoms back when I used a 4000lb pressure washer with a 13hp Honda engine with a sand attachment.. Used 00 sand and it wasn't anything real fast. Worked about 12" from the surface. No dust because you were blowing more water than sand. But everything went into the ground under the boat. Had to becareful not to do it on grass. Grass won't grow for 4-5yrs because of the copper in the soil.

Joe, how do you handle the waste product??

Joe, how do you handle the waste product??

The Farrow media particles burst upon contact with the coating and force their way between the substrate and the coating, leaving the gel coat intact and ready for paint. The old antifouling paint simply drops to the ground without raising dust clouds.

Inexpensive tarps are placed under the boat along with a large Wet- Vac vacuum unit …… then the tarps are disposing of by Waste Management Company!

Cardinal Joe :thumbsup:

 

[joe2897]

Proper Surface Preparation.

Thanks Joe! Im thinking about getting it done! So approx. 2,300$ for a 42'er.. Not bad, considering the price of fuel, you might break even on saved fuel over a few years

TRUE ....

Remember, the smoother the bottom, the lower the drag, and the lower the drag, the faster the boat. This also translates to better Fuel Economy. There is only one way to ensure that the bottom is smooth ...

Proper Surface Preparation. And when it comes to choosing your bottom paint ... remember that the least expensive product can end up costing you the most in the long run.

:bow: With today's higher fuel prices, owners may find that the hull reconditioning has actually paid for itself .:thumbsup:

 

[swab1985]

I have been Using Micron CSC. Its supposed to be one of the better paints out there, But I have mixed feelings on it. With the amount I ran her this year (almost 600 hours) I still had significant growth. I think it might be partly due to where we stay, but I'm not sure.

Are the guys doing the farrow systems mobile? Is there any benefit to trying to let the hull "dry" out after its farrowed and before its barrier coated?

I almost wanna Spray the bottom with HVLP gun, but I dont know if my yard will let me...

 

[joe2897]

I have been Using Micron CSC. Its supposed to be one of the better paints out there, But I have mixed feelings on it. With the amount I ran her this year (almost 600 hours) I still had significant growth. I think it might be partly due to where we stay, but I'm not sure.

Are the guys doing the farrow systems mobile? Is there any benefit to trying to let the hull "dry" out after its farrowed and before its barrier coated?

I almost wanna Spray the bottom with HVLP gun, but I dont know if my yard will let me...

I still had significant growth. I think it might be partly due to where we stay, but I'm not sure. Do, you have a lot of current running by your slip?

Are the guys doing the farrow systems mobile? Cardinal Marina -doesn't do any mobile farrow service .... check with Cannon Club Marina - they may do mobile service ?... 609-884-0333… [email protected] Ask for Dave Wrigley.

Is there any benefit to trying to let the hull "dry" out after its farrowed and before its barrier coated? Yes , 24 hours :thumbsup:

 

[swab1985]

We have a lot current!!!

 

[joe2897]

We have a lot current!!![/quote]


that's your problem ..... may have to change bottom paint .

 

[joe2897]

AS OF TODAY 2/2/10 IT IS A POLL TIE BETWEEN FARROW SYSTEM & pAINT OVER OLD LAYERS OF PAINT ....... CARDINNAL JOE :huh: