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Hi all,

I fish my Carolina Skiff in Ocean City and last year was my first flounder season. I mainly fished in the 3 channels in the bay in May, June, and July, using mackerel strips. This year I want to tie my own flounder rigs to save some money, as I have a lot of friends and family on my boat and tear through tackle quickly. I am looking for advice/diagrams/knot suggestions on rigs.

1.) What size hooks?
2.) Should I go leaderless or use a leader?
3.) Hi-low, single hook, or other presentation?
4.) What kinds of knots do you use?

Since I fish the channels in the bay, I rarely fish in water deeper than 25 feet. I'd say on average it's 15 feet.

Thanks for any suggestions. This and some good beer will get me through some cold days.
 

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Hi all,

I fish my Carolina Skiff in Ocean City and last year was my first flounder season. I mainly fished in the 3 channels in the bay in May, June, and July, using mackerel strips. This year I want to tie my own flounder rigs to save some money, as I have a lot of friends and family on my boat and tear through tackle quickly. I am looking for advice/diagrams/knot suggestions on rigs.

1.) What size hooks?
2.) Should I go leaderless or use a leader?
3.) Hi-low, single hook, or other presentation?
4.) What kinds of knots do you use?

Since I fish the channels in the bay, I rarely fish in water deeper than 25 feet. I'd say on average it's 15 feet.

Thanks for any suggestions. This and some good beer will get me through some cold days.
My suggestion is that you write/speak to Chunking( Fred ) at No Bones. He will give you a wealth of knowledge and if you visit he will show you hands on. Good Luck.:)
 

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if anybody can show you the right way to make flounder rigs it is chunking:thumbsup:get 1 of all his different flounder rigs and copy them
 

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1. I use 3/0 - 5/0 kahle, baitholder, or octopus hooks

2. leader 30-50# mono or flouro

3. Your choice, I think one hook keeps thing simpler as chunking told me

4. uni, palomar, trilene, surgeons loop, dropper loop, snell

I would take a section of leader material and tie a nice big surgeons loop in the middle. I'd say have the line coming off the loop be about 6" long. Once the knot is tight, snip one side of the dropper about 1" from the knoe. Now either snell or tie on a hook of choice, I snell for appearance. Now that the hook is on, go ahead and and tie a surgens loop at the bottom of the rig for the weight. Once that is done, tie on a swivel(80-100#) at the top of the rig. Store in a plastic ziplock back and start on #2. I'll make one now and put up some pics for you to see.
 

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If you insist on using "rigs"

1. simple 3 way swivel with 24" of 20# leader to a snelled 2/0-4/0 hook
2. simple fishfinder rig with the same 24" of 20# leader to a snelled 2/0-4/0 hook....this rig works better for bigger baits as you can free spool and let the fish chew with out feel any weight

As far as hooks you could use traditional khale style "fluke" hooks or use gami octopus hooks instead


I personally only use bucktails and jig heads with strips and gulp so fluke "rigs" aren't my specialty
 

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If you get a chance prior to the start of the season you are more than welcome to stop by the shop here in Wildwood. We can go over a bunch of knots and rigs to make up for flounder fishing. Thats what I am doing just about every day here and still enjoy it. No need to bring or buy anything. Like me most of your fishing is in the shallower water. If you haven't seen it I have video of the slip float rig. This to me is the most fun rig and incredibly efective rig for this type of fishing. Windy days will bother you no longer. And thanks to the guys here for the kind words.
 

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If you insist on using "rigs"

1. simple 3 way swivel with 24" of 20# leader to a snelled 2/0-4/0 hook
2. simple fishfinder rig with the same 24" of 20# leader to a snelled 2/0-4/0 hook....this rig works better for bigger baits as you can free spool and let the fish chew with out feel any weight

As far as hooks you could use traditional khale style "fluke" hooks or use gami octopus hooks instead


I personally only use bucktails and jig heads with strips and gulp so fluke "rigs" aren't my specialty
Exactly. I've never been one for all of the spinning blades, beads and skirts. They catch fishermen though! For me, the simpler the better. Most of the time I'm dragging a killie with a fish-finder and an inline #5 circle hook. I like to call it my, "El Natural" rig.:thumbsup:
 

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I use #4 or 5 hooks, red is my preference. I use 30# braid on my reels and 12 to 20lb test floro leaders. I fish the back most of the time to, using very light weights or buckies 1/8, 1/4oz . My leaders are usually about 20"long. When the grandkids fish with me, I use #4 or 5 red circle hooks with a 1/4 tear drop with minnow or gulp(your choice). That way 99% of the time the fish hooks itself and is easy to let go if to small. Light tackle makes it fun for all, YOU HAVE TO EXPERAMENT-- try different and crazy things(I do, and some work), it will be part of the fun, good luck and tight lines:)
 

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4/0-5/0 Gamakatsu Shiner hook with a white bucktail on it. :thumbsup:
 

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I know from all the back bay fishing that I have done that one thing is constant. Thats that nothing in fishing is constant. Every day or every tide can be different. There are times when you swear that there aren't any flounder around. They are there. We just haven't figured out what is going to get them fired up at that time or tide.

Thats why my bag is full of all sorts of rigs. Single hooks plain, with beads, with teasers. Two hook rigs with beads and teasers. Short leaders, long leaders, bucktails assorted sizes, some with a stinger hook some without. I have a snap swivel at the end of my line and I'll work any and every rig until I find out what gets their interest. Sometimes it's something so simple like a color combination or size of bait or something that we can't even understand that will pull their trigger.

I use four knots for all of these rigs and they seem to cover every need I have ever had for flounder fishing. Four knots. A good assortment of rigs and a positive mind set will do my trick every trip.
 

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This is mainly geared to flounder fishing but can be used for others as well​


For this rig to be most effective it must be used in 15' of water or less. I suppose it could be used deeper if the current is not strong.​

Since your fishing shallow water the lighter the jig head the better IMO.​


I use a 6.5' fast action spinning rod and load the reel with 15-20 lb power pro. My choice is moss green.​

At the end I tip it with a shot of 20-25 lb floro line, but mono will work too. I choose to join these two line together with a knot called the "Albright Special". Some use a barrel swivel. With the knot you can reel the jig head all the way to the last eye in your rod when moving to a different location too.​



No matter how you join them, it's my opinion that you must use something other than the braided line to attach to the jig. This is the business end of the rig, and braid while SUPER strong and zero stretch, doesn't not hold up well to nicks & abrasions that these toothy critters can dish out. The short piece of floro will not stretch when only using a 16" piece.​

Next I prefer a little clip tied to the end of the floro. These clips are made called "Breakaway fast links".
Some tie direct but with constant changing of weighted jigs, & changing conditions, I find this fast and easy.​


Simply clip on the desired jig head. I found that 3/8 oz seems to be best suited for most conditions in depths under 15', but I carry 1/4 and 1/2 oz as well.
I love the "owner" type jigs, as the hooks are super sharp and have a wide gap for the body of the bait. Plus they have a nice lead barb to hold the bait on the jig.
I bought a mold to make my own, but the barb stunk on them and the hooks were hard to find with the right combination.​


Hold the bait (these happen to be 3" shrimp) next to the jig with the snout of the shrimp next to the base of the lead head. See where the hook should exit the back and try to make your hook exit this spot.​

Slide the bait onto the point of the hook and you must help it around the bend.​


If all went well it should look like this​


If you went to far down towards the tail it will sit too high and not look natural. Believe me when I say the properly rigged bait will out fish a poor rigging job every time.
If you went too far it will look like this.​


If this happens simply back the bait off and push the hook through the back a little closer to the head of the bait.​

I've tried the 2" and 4" and while both work, it's the 3" that I like best. The 2" is not only shorter but has a skinny body & the jigs I use have the hook exiting near the tail.
The 4" the hook is too far FWD and you miss a lot of fish. I've looked and cannot find longer shank hooks.​

The rigging method also works for gulp swimming mullet, jerk shad, and a variety of other soft body baits.​


OK,
So your all rigged up and ready to fish.​

Once you locate your fishing grounds ( if drift fishing) simply fish it as you normally would a bucktail. If you are drifting with the current this is good and will present a natural presentation of the bait being washed out by the tide.
Drop down until you reach bottom and with short twitches of the wrist keep this going. Try to avoid LONG sweeping motions and stay in contact with the bottom at all times, hopping the bait across the bottom and bouncing it 4-5 " off the bottom. Flounder tend to inhale bait and expel excess water trough the gills. They will also "stalk" prey while "walking" on there side fins. I've seen this !!!​

Sometimes the flounder are very finicky feeders. I call these fish "tail suckers" they take the bait from the tail and try to dis-able the prey. When they are in this mode it is important to feed line back to them as soon as a strike or nibble is detected.​

If I feel a strike and miss, I immediately open my bail and drop back to the fish. I'll close the bail and raise the rod tip slowly if I feel weight it's usually a safe bet he has bitten up on the bait and I set the hook.​

If you are drifting and the wind has got you and pushing you against the tide, or your anchored or bank fishing, always remember the fish are usually "facing" the tide waiting for prey to come his way.
In this case I've caught fish by casting " upstream" no matter which direction the boat it being blown, and simply retrieve my jig at the same speed as the tide while twitching along. You may have to reel quite fast to keep pace, depending on the wind and tide speed.
If you choose to just bounce your bait at the mercy of the wind and are going against the tide, you are basically pulling your bait from the fish facing away from the bait, across his tail towards his head. you CAN catch this way, but not consistent.​
 

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C-phase,
what kind of weight jig head do you like to fish when your in the back?
I like the "owner" jigs, as the hooks are super sharp and have a wide hook gap for the body of the bait. Plus they have a nice lead barb to hold the bait on the jig.
I bought a mold to make my own, but the barb stunk on them and the hooks were hard to find with the right combination.
The painted jig heads seem to not hold the bait on the jig head barb too well because of the thick paint build up on the jig head barb. IMO the fish is detecting and focusing on the bait, not the head, or if it's is dull grey lead color or not.

C-Phase nice post picked up a couple tips. Thanks
Thanks,
Been doing it this way for the as long as I can remember with other soft baits, spearing or minnows. Once the Gulp came along I was sold, and it outfished all my other baits combined 5-1 :cool:
Plus it's LASTS. I can get 10 fish or more with one bait. Try that with a minnow or spearing.

Again, some of my best fish in the back bay, have come from the depths of between 3-12'
If it's real clear water I will use a rod with 10 lb floro tippet:thumbsup:

Here's one that fell prey to this the gulp this year.


Not a flounder, but my boy got a nice weakie using the same tactic this year as well.
 

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Great job C-phase and Chunking, there should be an entire thread on stuff like this with photos and explanations on different types of rigging. I have fished for years (only a couple of times a year) but now starting to make it my only hobbie. I enjoy reading all of the different stuff on BassBarn and learn something new practically every day on here.
 

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Thanks for the detailed explanation.Another reason I enjoy the barn.:thumbsup::thumbsup:.

Don
 
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