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what do you think about this video???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6kYe4es_G0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6kYe4es_G0
I cant believe that I never saw this vid till this morning!
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Steve.
I dont feel like company's like Fuji are to blame and I dont feel that the Japanese or any other country are to blame for that matter as they have grown accustom to eating whale for century's and it would be just like us eating pork or beef.I feel that ICCAT and the govering bodies are to blame for this to go on!!
There was an interesting article in "MARLIN MAG this month called "IN THE BALANCE" You guys might want to check it out it involves the BFT. HAHA,bet you guys wouldent have guessed I read Marlin mag!!!!! with all this talk of marlin fishing I'm glad I have been reading it for the past couple years!!!
I dont feel like company's like Fuji are to blame and I dont feel that the Japanese or any other country are to blame for that matter as they have grown accustom to eating whale for century's and it would be just like us eating pork or beef.I feel that ICCAT and the govering bodies are to blame for this to go on!!
There was an interesting article in "MARLIN MAG this month called "IN THE BALANCE" You guys might want to check it out it involves the BFT. HAHA,bet you guys wouldent have guessed I read Marlin mag!!!!! with all this talk of marlin fishing I'm glad I have been reading it for the past couple years!!!Who is to blame for the raping of our oceans?I dont feel like company's like Fuji are to blame and I dont feel that the Japanese or any other country are to blame for that matter as they have grown accustom to eating whale for century's and it would be just like us eating pork or beef.I feel that ICCAT and the govering bodies are to blame for this to go on!!
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Aquajoe.
We are all to blame with raping of the oceans!REC,Comm,Greed,Glamour to say you limited out? it doesnt matter what the case may be.Do you remember the days of limit yellowfin/Bluefin catches? I do! As a rec and once a charter operator I am willing to take responsibility for my action's.And we as people must take the responsibility for our actions.Thing is how do we propose to do this? Now we have spent the last 50+years of limit catches and feeding neighbors and friends and what do we have to show for it?:nuts:I am guilty of this also and not debating that.But what are we going to do about it? We wherent breaking the law when doing this,so it was our right to do so,RIGHT? I think that we have been mislead and lead down the wrong path of travel in faulty management and not just here in the US but on a global scale.ICCAT should stop these country's from doing this but can't.It IS a FACT they cannot do anything about these rogue country's and there are a lot of country's involved that are NOT rogue! that are doing this!
We are all to blame with raping of the oceans!
REC,Comm,Greed,Glamour to say you limited out? it doesnt matter what the case may be.Do you remember the days of limit yellowfin/Bluefin catches? I do! As a rec and once a charter operator I am willing to take responsibility for my action's.And we as people must take the responsibility for our actions.Thing is how do we propose to do this? Now we have spent the last 50+years of limit catches and feeding neighbors and friends and what do we have to show for it?:nuts:I am guilty of this also and not debating that.But what are we going to do about it? We wherent breaking the law when doing this,so it was our right to do so,RIGHT? I think that we have been mislead and lead down the wrong path of travel in faulty management and not just here in the US but on a global scale.ICCAT should stop these country's from doing this but can't.It IS a FACT they cannot do anything about these rogue country's and there are a lot of country's involved that are NOT rogue! that are doing this!I hear what you are saying deep and I agree.
I am totaly against taking whales, for any reason. But As I look at the video I see the "artists" includes pictures of whales which aren't part of the Japanese whale take. Orca and humpbacks aren't killed but they are included. Showing me this is just Eco nut [email protected] miss informing people. When will they understand the truth is all people desire.
I am totaly against taking whales, for any reason. But As I look at the video I see the "artists" includes pictures of whales which aren't part of the Japanese whale take. Orca and humpbacks aren't killed but they are included. Showing me this is just Eco nut [email protected] miss informing people. When will they understand the truth is all people desire.
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That was uncalled for!
AND I WILL NOT PERMIT THAT KINDA TALK IN A THREAD IN WHICH I HAVE STARTED!:thumbsdown: We must put racism aside and look toward the future!
AND I WILL NOT PERMIT THAT KINDA TALK IN A THREAD IN WHICH I HAVE STARTED!:thumbsdown: We must put racism aside and look toward the future!
Mike,some people have no class and they hide behind a computer.As far as the video,I do think that Green Peace and others really lay it on but at the same time,every country needs to take responsibility of our natural resourses and some countries need to put pressure on others even if it is economic because it effects the whole world.
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There is video/documentary about the dolphin trade out of japan also that you should rent - Its a movie called The Cove. Pretty crazy stuff.
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Mike Spinelli is a very popular name around the vineland area.
Isn't me though but I would be happy to take the VACA!!!hey "mike spinelli'...a guy in my office is listening to WOGL and i think you just won a vacation.
they called mike spinnelli from vineland...weird,just as i was reading this thread
I always get a chuckle when the whale harvest threads pop up. The Norwegians like a little whale too. I see nothing wrong with enjoying the great bounty that God gave us all.
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http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Ethics/an-in-in.htm
Not Necessary
Argument No.4 raises the same type of problem. In a letter from WWF Sweden to the Swedish Minister of the Environment it says "Today, the only commercial whale product is whale meat which is sold as a luxury product to one solitary market, the Japanese. Today, commercial whaling is no longer necessary to satisfy basic human needs, even though this has earlier been the case." Firstly, the premises for this statement are not correct. The Norwegian minke whalers had - and hopefully will still have in the future - a substantial home market. The major part of the meat has always been sold on this market, and the consumption of whale meat is particularly high in the coastal areas where whaling takes place. This also applies to Japanese coastal minke whaling. In Norway whale meat has never been a luxury product. Prices have been on the same level as those of other types of meat.
So to the question of needs. Is it possible to explain why there should be less need for whale meat than for pork, beef, lamb, chicken, reindeer etc? Would it be ethically commendable of the Norwegian coastal population to renounce a local resource like the minke whale and import pork from other areas instead? From an environmental viewpoint there is no other type of meat production that is so "pure" and that requires the use of so little fossil fuel as minke whaling. Any definition regarding what kinds of meat there is a need for, will always be a purely subjective assessment. People in the northern coastal communities would have no problem in saying that there was no need for turkey, there being no traditions here involving the consumption of turkey. The English would hardly agree.
It is true that whale meat of best quality fetches a high price on the Japanese market. This proves that the meat is in great demand - that there is a need for it. Is saddle of reindeer or first class steak an immoral product because it is expensive? Whaling provides jobs in coastal communities where there is often little or no alternative work. For those making a living from whaling it is hard to understand that other people can define their livelihood as "unnecessary".
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http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Ethics/an-in-in.htm
Not Necessary
Argument No.4 raises the same type of problem. In a letter from WWF Sweden to the Swedish Minister of the Environment it says "Today, the only commercial whale product is whale meat which is sold as a luxury product to one solitary market, the Japanese. Today, commercial whaling is no longer necessary to satisfy basic human needs, even though this has earlier been the case." Firstly, the premises for this statement are not correct. The Norwegian minke whalers had - and hopefully will still have in the future - a substantial home market. The major part of the meat has always been sold on this market, and the consumption of whale meat is particularly high in the coastal areas where whaling takes place. This also applies to Japanese coastal minke whaling. In Norway whale meat has never been a luxury product. Prices have been on the same level as those of other types of meat.
So to the question of needs. Is it possible to explain why there should be less need for whale meat than for pork, beef, lamb, chicken, reindeer etc? Would it be ethically commendable of the Norwegian coastal population to renounce a local resource like the minke whale and import pork from other areas instead? From an environmental viewpoint there is no other type of meat production that is so "pure" and that requires the use of so little fossil fuel as minke whaling. Any definition regarding what kinds of meat there is a need for, will always be a purely subjective assessment. People in the northern coastal communities would have no problem in saying that there was no need for turkey, there being no traditions here involving the consumption of turkey. The English would hardly agree.
It is true that whale meat of best quality fetches a high price on the Japanese market. This proves that the meat is in great demand - that there is a need for it. Is saddle of reindeer or first class steak an immoral product because it is expensive? Whaling provides jobs in coastal communities where there is often little or no alternative work. For those making a living from whaling it is hard to understand that other people can define their livelihood as "unnecessary".
Argue this one.
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Grave Consequences
The whale protectionists are directly interfering in the lives of other people when they put forward demands for a ban on whaling in respect for their own symbols. Such intervention has very grave consequences. The whalers lose their livelihood, their social identity, and are perhaps forced to sell their boats and leave their homes. In the minke whaling trade, the boats are small, family businesses where father, sons and brothers work together. This relationship is broken up. The injured parties are the marginal, coastal communities where the boats belong. Those demanding a total ban on whaling by arguing for "respect for symbols" must consider whether they can find ethical justification for such intervention in other people's lives and communities. The two Human Rights covenants of 1966 establish the universal right to benefit from natural resources and to earn a livelihood.
People with differing ethical norms live side by side in our pluralistic societies. Meat eaters sit at the same table as vegetarians. Muslims work together with Christians. Such coexistence is built on tolerance, which is the second basic principle for ethical behaviour. One must respect the right of other people to believe in different things, to be different, and to act differently - as long as they don't harm anyone. This principle is perhaps even more fundamental to good relationships between different societies and different cultures, than it is to those between individuals.
In order to overrule the principles of tolerance, the right to harvest natural resources and the right to earn one's livelihood, the whale protectionists will have to produce a major ethical principle in favour of their right to force a ban on killing whales upon others. Arguments demanding respect for their symbols are by no means important enough. The ethical arguments on the part of the Save-the-Whale movement are not capable of meeting the basic demands made on ethical justification, i.e. demands on consistency, logic and the demand that facts actually are facts. It is unethical to force a ban on whaling upon others by threatening their society's economy, especially when such a ban is founded on a faltering ethical basis.
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Grave Consequences
The whale protectionists are directly interfering in the lives of other people when they put forward demands for a ban on whaling in respect for their own symbols. Such intervention has very grave consequences. The whalers lose their livelihood, their social identity, and are perhaps forced to sell their boats and leave their homes. In the minke whaling trade, the boats are small, family businesses where father, sons and brothers work together. This relationship is broken up. The injured parties are the marginal, coastal communities where the boats belong. Those demanding a total ban on whaling by arguing for "respect for symbols" must consider whether they can find ethical justification for such intervention in other people's lives and communities. The two Human Rights covenants of 1966 establish the universal right to benefit from natural resources and to earn a livelihood.
People with differing ethical norms live side by side in our pluralistic societies. Meat eaters sit at the same table as vegetarians. Muslims work together with Christians. Such coexistence is built on tolerance, which is the second basic principle for ethical behaviour. One must respect the right of other people to believe in different things, to be different, and to act differently - as long as they don't harm anyone. This principle is perhaps even more fundamental to good relationships between different societies and different cultures, than it is to those between individuals.
In order to overrule the principles of tolerance, the right to harvest natural resources and the right to earn one's livelihood, the whale protectionists will have to produce a major ethical principle in favour of their right to force a ban on killing whales upon others. Arguments demanding respect for their symbols are by no means important enough. The ethical arguments on the part of the Save-the-Whale movement are not capable of meeting the basic demands made on ethical justification, i.e. demands on consistency, logic and the demand that facts actually are facts. It is unethical to force a ban on whaling upon others by threatening their society's economy, especially when such a ban is founded on a faltering ethical basis.
Guess if you spend enough time with a camera you can make anything look sympathetic.
Let's shoot pics of Does and fawns then show the results of deer hunting.
"Bad deer hunters"
Maybe shoot pics of parents and children then show the results of cars hitting deer and killing parents.
"Bad deer"
Wanna show terrorists at home and on the job next????
I love the South Park "Rain Forest" spin, if you haven't watched it take a look. Just another spin.
If your sympathetic to life then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, don't kill anything.
If you believe in taking the life of only certain things then your a hypocrite, otherwise please explain; What makes one life worth less than another?
Me, I kinda wonder what whale and dolphin taste like.
Let's shoot pics of Does and fawns then show the results of deer hunting.
"Bad deer hunters"
Maybe shoot pics of parents and children then show the results of cars hitting deer and killing parents.
"Bad deer"
Wanna show terrorists at home and on the job next????
I love the South Park "Rain Forest" spin, if you haven't watched it take a look. Just another spin.
If your sympathetic to life then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, don't kill anything.
If you believe in taking the life of only certain things then your a hypocrite, otherwise please explain; What makes one life worth less than another?
Me, I kinda wonder what whale and dolphin taste like.
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Save the Whales!!!!!!!
Kill the Seals!!!!!
Kill the Seals!!!!!
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Skip.
Whats a wale? You just keep fishing for them ocean pout! Maybe if you catch enough of them you will be the highlight of a thread like this! "Skip M is pushing ocean pout to EXTINCTION!" :thumbsup:
Whats a wale?
You just keep fishing for them ocean pout! Maybe if you catch enough of them you will be the highlight of a thread like this! "Skip M is pushing ocean pout to EXTINCTION!" :thumbsup:Whats a wale?
HaHa, Funnyman. Nothing like a rabble rouser to stir the pot and then bring comedy into a serious discussion. I for one will stand up to protect the fisherman that bring the bounty of the sea to those less fortunate to eat what they grew up eating. Are you screwing the PETA chick who works on the Shepard crew?:wave:
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