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Let's Talk Trolling (for Stripers)

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#1 ·
Trolling is not a new technique for catching striped bass, but it is amongst the latest 'hot topic' when it comes to fishing for the Jersey Shore's most sought after gamefish. I want to make this thread specific to the technique. I figured this would be a great time to see what has worked best for everyone, especially since our Fall run is about to get underway, and not to mention, we are about to get socked in by nasty weather for the next 5-6 days.

Trolling is a technique used for stripers up and down the East Coast, and there are many different tricks, tips, and tactics to doing so. So let's talk about what has worked, what has not worked, and anything else that has to do with trolling for stripers. From Stretch Plugs and bunker spoons to Umbrella Rigs and parachute jigs; trolling speeds, colors, line and tackle choice, and the list is endless. Let's help each other out and learn from everyone's experiences.

Since I created the thread, I'll start with random speak. Think of it what you will, and I hope it helps some people. I won't go into great detail, but just outline a few topics to start conversation.

My background trolling for stripers started in the Upper Chesapeake Bay. The hottest lure was the umbrella rig. The most consistent catchers were the 6" shad bodies in 'yellow chartruese' and 'green chartruese flake'. Double parachute jigs in chartruese with the above mentioned shad bodies in 6" or 9" were also proven producers. White shad bodies caught as well, just not as consistently. Best speed was anywhere from 1.1 kts to 2.8 kts (SLOW). Stretch Plugs never seemed to catch many fish for me here.

In the past few years I have taken this technique to the Jersey Shore, but have only done it on a few occasions, mostly due to the fact that this technique was not going to outfish the other techniques I was using to catch stripers. All of that aside, there is a time and a place when trolling off of the NJ Coast is productive, and can save an otherwise lousy day of fishing.

I also grew up casting and slow trolling Stretch 20s over submerged rockpiles in the DE River during my summers as a kid, and they worked out very well. I tried Stretch 25s here in NJ, and they were red hot for me from the start. They have caught fish for me in NJ everytime I have been in a trolling bite. Double Parachutes worked along with umbrella rigs, but the stripers seemed to absolutely love the Stretch plugs. Stretch 30s were also productive, but the 25s have caught more fish for me. I was able to be a bit more productive here at a slightly quicker speed (1.4 kts to 3.4 kts).

Bump Trolling bucktails just off of the bottom over good marks has also been productive for me as well. Some people dress their bucktails with twister tails, some with shad bodies, some with pork rinds, and even some with eels. I have yet to make a preference on this topic because I have seen all produce nice striped bass.

One thing I have not tried yet that I really want to is using tubes on umbrella rigs when the bass are feeding on sand eels. The one time last year I had this scenario I was on a private boat and we did not have any umbrella rigs equipped with tubes. We still caught a few fish, but I was left wondering if we would have had a lot more bites on tubes. Has anyone had any luck with these, and if so, what color(s) work best?

Well I hope this sparks some conversation, because it looks like we are going to be stuck inside thinking about striper fishing for the next week or so. We might as well learn something new to try for our Fall Striper Season.
 
#3 ·
Very good time for a write up like this.

Very good topic Capt. Rick thanks for the contribution! :thumbsup: I could also write about this for hours myself. The most success spread for us is 2 stretches (25+) staggered roughly 150-175' from the boat. Then 2 dredges (umbrella rigs) off the transom on 8-10 oz. trolling weights set 5 ft. off the bottom. Favorite stretch colors would be red/white and mullet. Favorite dredges would be chartreuse flake, and anything with pearl in it. The sand eel dredges are absolutely deadly in November but not as hot during December when there seems to be more blueback herring around and still some straggler bunker moving down the beach so we always have 1 shad rig out during the whole season. Speeds for us range from 2.5-3.5 knots (adjust until you get a bite). This technique is definitely gaining more and more popularity down here and is a nice change of pace when the other 2 methods put you smack dab in the thick of boat traffic city. It's nice to troll lumps off the beach away from the fleets and put fish in the box. Although I did want to try this in the Delaware bay while others are chunking and compare results as far as catch numbers and size of the fish. Let's see where this thread goes and I will check in later with some more input. ;)
 
#5 ·
Exile very informative post, i cant contribute much however i have fished with some friends over tha past years at the shrewsbury rocks. They seem to do very well with basic umbrella rigs with 6" shads pearl and pearl black. I dont have alot of experience at this type of bass fishing,mostly just with eels at night. So thanks for the post.
 
#7 ·
One thing I have not tried yet that I really want to is using tubes on umbrella rigs when the bass are feeding on sand eels. The one time last year I had this scenario I was on a private boat and we did not have any umbrella rigs equipped with tubes. We still caught a few fish, but I was left wondering if we would have had a lot more bites on tubes. Has anyone had any luck with these, and if so, what color(s) work best?

Plenty of luck. In november we were trolling 2 rigs in 19-34 feet of water with a 16 oz weight in line. Drop it back until you feel it hit bottom, crank up about 30 feet of line. We were trolling at 2-3 knots. We were using green tubes on a sunny day.
 
#10 ·
Where have you had luck trolling; the ocean, lower, mid and/or upper Bay? I haven't trolled since I was a kid in the Chesapeake, we caught mostly larger blues and have thought about trying it again. I'm in the upper Bay and have stayed there for flounder all season, don't recall seeing anyone trolling up there in the last few years during striper season.
 
#13 ·
i have never heard of anyone that i know trolling for bass at 3.5 knts. i always troll 1.8-2.8 mph. thats just what i was tought. "as slow as that boat can go" just throwing that out there
For the most part i agree but last year i was having a hard time getting a bite with great reading on the bottom. When I brought the boat up to 3.5 knots and turned the fish hit the lures. It didnt just happen once that day, almost every fish i cought was at 3.5 knots in a turn on that particular day. I dont know why, maybe it looked like the fish were spooked and it attracted the bass. Either way repeating this speed bump and turn produced.
 
#15 · (Edited)
10-23ft of water i use yozuri crystal minnow deep diver and had alot of sucess
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also last year late season i bought a rapala xrap magnum and had alot of sucess with it for only using it a few times in the 15-20ft water column
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moving on to the 20-40ft water column....
over the Summer i pick up one of these Manns Stretch Intimidator 20+ers
these thing look soo good the profile fits the exact size/shape of your average bunker.....i cant wait to get them out there this year.
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as always the regular stretch 20's and 25's work great for me too best color being chartruse.

and also im thinking about trying the bunker spoonns this year for the first time. gonna try putting a 8oz bucktail on a dropper about 5-8feet in front of the spoon to weigh it down.



rod/reel i use for trolling is a shimano charter special lever drag spooled w/ 50lb power pro w/ 50lb fluro leader
on a star 7' 25lb rated rod.
 
#16 ·
Bdubbs: If you put a bucktail ahead of your spoon, you are inviting a lot of bite-offs by bluefish. I got a lot of bite offs where the blues were hitting my trolling drail; the kind with bead chain attached. The flash of the chain was attracting the bite off. You can lose a lot of hardware that way.
 
#17 ·
No one seems to troll the bay that I know of. Though I haven't tried it, I'm sure it would work. It's hard to take a day and do recon when you know they're biting out front but hopefully one day I will give it a shot.

The dredges can also be made for pretty cheap (well cheaper than if you were to buy the niner rigs). Wal-Mart actually has all the materials you need to make the 4-arm bar and they also sell it fully rigged. For the 6-arm bar you are going to have to order these materials or stop by your local tackle shop to pick up the shads/eels, crimps, bars, etc. I did a write-up on how to rig these last year. See the below links for information on building your own rigs. It seems like the sky is the limit with the sand eel imitations that are out there now. Just make a few of these up and you can easily change out the shads/eels while you are out there. Also, be sure to keep a bunch of extra shads/eels with you incase the blues are around.

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162161&highlight=couple+striper+toys

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=163578&highlight=matching+hatch
 
#33 ·
Hey Mako 19 where are you in Sea isle?
I'm on 44th and the bay

STeve

No one seems to troll the bay that I know of. Though I haven't tried it, I'm sure it would work. It's hard to take a day and do recon when you know they're biting out front but hopefully one day I will give it a shot.

The dredges can also be made for pretty cheap (well cheaper than if you were to buy the niner rigs). Wal-Mart actually has all the materials you need to make the 4-arm bar and they also sell it fully rigged. For the 6-arm bar you are going to have to order these materials or stop by your local tackle shop to pick up the shads/eels, crimps, bars, etc. I did a write-up on how to rig these last year. See the below links for information on building your own rigs. It seems like the sky is the limit with the sand eel imitations that are out there now. Just make a few of these up and you can easily change out the shads/eels while you are out there. Also, be sure to keep a bunch of extra shads/eels with you incase the blues are around.

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162161&highlight=couple+striper+toys

http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=163578&highlight=matching+hatch
 
#20 ·
Thanks for the feedback on the tubes. Green and Red are the colors I have always heard produce the best. Thanks to Spooled and AKScuba on that information. Anxious to give that a shot. mako19 had some great input on how he does his umbrella rigs. Everyone always has their own opinion and way of doing things, and I like seeing what has worked for people.

As far as the 4 arm vs the 6 arm umbrellas (dredges) go, there are advantages and disadvantages to each. Offshore, we always use the 6 arm frames with inner rings which allow you to put a dozen baits on the frame, not including the center. Anyone who has pulled these knows they have a lot of drag, and take a beefy setup to pull them in. Imagine using this and catching a fish on it... How much fun can that possibly be? Even a 30+ pound bass is going to feel small due to the heavy tackle you have to use for this setup. To me, that is absolutely no fun.

I will admit that the larger frames with more baits on them throw a much larger profile which probably makes them look more attractive to the fish, and therefore do seem to get hooked up a little more. Now having said this, I have found that the most important part of using the umbrella rig (and any bait for that matter) is being sure you have it set at the depth that the fish are. If you do this, it won't make much of a difference if you have a huge umbrella with 13-14 baits or a small 4 arm umbrella with 5 baits. I prefer using the 4 arm frames (with and w/o inner rings) and also smaller 6 arm frames without inner rings. These will catch fish, and they will not require heavy tackle to use. Another trick to eliminate some drag is to V out a notch in the tails of the shad bodies. They will still have the same action, and will have noticeably less drag in the water.

As far as trolling in the DE Bay goes, I have never given it an honest shot. I have only tried out in the front when the water has been clean. When you are trolling, you are relying on the fact that the fish will see your baits, so cleaner water is always a plus. As I said in my first post, I grew up slow trolling and casting Stretch 20s over submerged rockpiles in the DE River in my little aluminum boat with plenty of success. Anyone who has fished the DE river around the C&D Canal Area knows that the water up there is far from clear. Visibility in the water is 3' on a good day, so it is more of a matter of putting your bait where the fish are. Chances are the rattles in the Stretch 20s helped in the murky DE River water. That said, I would not advise to troll through drifting boats or a fleet of anchored chunkers that you get in the lower bay. That's a good way to get a lot of people mad at you.

So far we have a lot of great feedback. Let's keep it coming... I'll contribute a little more here too as well as things move along.
 
#23 · (Edited)
I think a lot of people get scared of the dredges and avoid them due to the fact that they think you need a heavy rod/reel to pull them with. We have no problem pulling the 6-arm bars with 10 oz. trolling weights with a medium heavy 20-40 pound set-up with a 20lb class reel with braid on it. It is heavy enough to pull the dredges and light enough to still have fun. Remember you will want to have a little bit heavier of a set-up because a lot of the time you will hook multiple fish. There's nothing like seeing more than one keeper coming to the boat at a time ;)!!

Regarding the trolling weight/leader question you can do it both ways. I have friends that clip right to the dredge and it works for them. I however like to use a 3 foot wire leader in front of the dredge and I clip my weight to that to get it away from the baits. I think it keeps it swimming straighter and I also think it prevents the dredge from fowling up when you let it out and let the weight hit the bottom. The process for positioning the dredge would be to put it over the side and make sure all shads/eels are swimming correctly and not tangled then slowly let line out until you feel the "thud" of the bottom. At this time engage the drag and take 5 cranks on the reel and you're good to go.
 
#24 ·
I wish i had some experience to add to this but I don't...only questions. I haven't heard anyone using down riggers. I have them (never used them for stripers) but wouldn't this eliminate the need for heavy sinkers or lead line? I don't have heavy gear...6'6" med rods with 30 lb mono with 50 lb leaders. I'm new to Jersey coastal fishing. I love the idea of trolling and want to try it...maybe Wed...weather permitting!! Also what is a "strech 20"??
 
#27 ·
Great topic

Read this topic and found a lot of good info. While a lot of guys frown on trolling it works. Can change a bad into a banner day big time. While not my fovorite type of striper fishing (livelining #1) i never leave the dock withuot my trolling gear. My gear is 4 rods 2 standard trolling rods with Penn 330gt reels + power pro line used for streachs,unbrella rigs or other lures,many of which were already mentioned here and 2 wire line set ups with Penn 113hsp reels for spoons (also lures). It is important to remember that pulling spoons is differant then trolling lures. The rod must have the right action or the spoon will not swim correctly. The rods should show a pumping action. Manys time the pumping action will tell you more about what speed you should be going then gps. I use 7.5 wire line trolling rods. Many think even thies are to short but they work well for me and on a 25' boat storage is alway a consideration. Also on small boats like mine a set of gunnel mount outriggers is required. Spoons will swim 4' each way for a total range 8'. (always remember to you some floro or mono between line and lure).So if you just drop them off the back and put them in the rod holder they will tangle.Pluse the outriggers give the line a better angle to the water which helps the spoon swim right. I know this storm will put a damper on this weekend but am pretty sure i can smell big Striper in the air for Mon + Tues.
 
#29 ·
DreamComeTrue: A Stretch 20 is just a smaller version of the Stretch 25 and 30s. It is designed to run at a depth of 20' (where the name comes from). They are lipped diving plugs made by Mann. Any tackle shop on the Jersey Shore will have them in their shop, especially this time of year. As mentioned by bdubbs earlier in this thread, there are also lipped diving plugs other than Stretches that work well.
As far as the downriggers go, I know people that used them, but I feel they are not necessary unless you are fishing for stripers in depths that exceed 60'. You are trolling very slow to begin with, so you will be surprised how little it takes to get your baits/lures down on the troll. I use all braid for all of my striper fishing, and the thin diameter allows your baits to get down with much more ease.

(in reference to) Esquired: As I said in my last post, I used to troll and cast Stretch 20s in the murky DE River with success. The combination of the vibration and rattles coupled with the fact that I was trolling for stripers in a very small concentrated area that held fish is what made it successful. I also caught on Rat-L-Traps, but they would tend to snag. The lips on the Stretch Plugs are great at bouncing the bait off of rocky structure without snagging.
rplunger: If you were to troll at all in the upper DE Bay, I would suggest doing the same. Hitting a shoal, reef, or some small piece of structure that you know stripers and bait are concentrated on. Try with Stretch Plugs so you get the rattlin vibration paired with hitting the fish in the face, and you might wind up with a good catch. If it worked out for me in the DE River, I can't imagine why it would not work out for you. Anxious to see if it works out for you. Black or Blue back/chrome belly, and black or blue back/ gold belly always outcaught any other colors for me up there. Wound up with a box full of almost nothing but these colors at one point.

SeaDog: Thanks for the advice on trolling spoons. I never got into pulling spoons too much, so I like hearing what has worked well for others on this topic. I actually would love to hear the answers to the following questions from anyone:

Have any type/style of spoons in particular produced better than any others?
Is there any color(s) that bass seem to prefer more than others?
What size spoons seem to produce the most hookups?
Wire line vs. mono vs. braid? Which is best and which is worst?

Thanks to all of the contributions to this thread so far. I hope this thread is doing what I meant for it to do and answer a lot of questions on the topic of trolling for stripers. Looking forward to seeing more answers...
 
#31 ·
<P>Capt. Ricky..thanks for the response as well as everyone else's feedback...awesome posts as there's nothing else better than having a rod snap off an outrigger while banging through the chop....guess i'll have to tell the wife the $100.00 bucks was for gas instead of lures/rigs...she doesn't have to know the tank was already full<IMG class=inlineimg border=0 alt=0 src="http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/images/smilies/razz.gif" smilieid="21">......we'll see what works on wed...i'll be there!</P>
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<P>thanks again and i hope to break the ice this week</P>
 
#32 ·
last year was my first for trolling , early NOV. we were catching bass on clam and couldn't keep the blues off while we were trolling stretches.By mid NOV. we were still trolling mostly blues with the occassional bass, it wasn't until the end of the month when we had nothing but bass on the troll with a couple banner days. Do most guys see the same trend as the season progresses? If you get into the blues while trolling and the bass don't even have a chance to bite the lures will you pick up and run to a new area hoping to find less blues and have a chance at bass, or put the trollers away and go back to the clam?