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NJ STATE WILL BE INSTITUTING A PERMIT PROGRAM
TO FISH ON THEIR ARTIFICIAL REEFS. COST WILL
BE $20 PER YEAR FOR EACH REEF THAT YOU WANT TO FISH. WHEN YOU PURCHASE YOUR PERMIT, YOU MUST
DESIGNATE IF YOU PLAN TO FISH ON ODD OR EVEN
CALENDER DAYS. IF YOU WISH TO FISH BOTH, AN ADDITIONAL MAY BE PURCHASED. IN ADDITION TO THAT,
INDIVIDUAL SPECIES PERMITS MUST ALSO BE PURCHASED FOR THE FOLLOWING: SEA BASS $8, TAUTOG
$8, COD AND POLLOCK $8. ON THE BACK OF EACH
PERMIT IS A PLACE TO RECORD THE DATE, TIME,WT. AND LENGTH OF EACH FISH.YOU MUST MAIL IN YOUR
PERMIT IN AFTER EACH TRIP, THIS WILL ENABLE
THEM TO CLOSE THE REEF TO FISHING AFTER THE QUOTAS ARE MET.

THINK IT CAN'T HAPPEN, THINK AGAIN.

STRIPER BONUS PROGRAM SHOULD BE ABOLISHED NOW!!!

WE CANNOT ALLOW THEM TO MAKE SUCKERS OUT OF US
BY SETTING A PRECADENT AND CHARGING A FEE!!!
IT WILL ONLY MUSHROOM FROM THERE.

ANDY
 

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That would be a neat trick, The most of the reefs aren't in state waters!

[ 06-05-2004, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: CYCLOPS30 ]
 

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last year I donated a barge for the state, I "donated" the barge and now they want to charge people to fish near them. wow
 

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i just wanted to demonstrate an idea(example)
of what's sure to come if we allow them to
continue down this road and start charging
for this so called bonus program. you see,
that's the way the system works if you stand
by and let it happen. they do it a little at
a time, thats why it was free to start. now they
figure we'd be happy to pay a fee. ofcourse,
all the money will support the cause, that's
how they get us to swallow it. then, in a couple
of years they'll say, we've got all of this
extra money, we can use it for other stuff, or
they'll say if striper guys are paying to fish
why shouldn't the weakfish and flounder guys
pay also. it's not fair to only charge for one
and not the other.
ask any hunter about the hunting permit process
it's easy to spend several hundred dollars if your an avid hunter.

andy
 

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Govornor McGreedy,
At it again.

Cylclops30,
Has a good point. How can the State charge for a permit when the Reefs are in Federal waters?
 

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Andy:
What was the source of your information?
Also, don't yell at us, turn your caps lock OFF.
Thanks
 

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ok guys, now that i have someones att.

i created this report to demonstrate a point.
this is where i believe that any fee based striper
bonus program or the like could take us in a few
years.
we should get on board with the rfa and jcaa
to oppose any fee based striper program.

now that they have us hooked on the program,
they figure they can charge us now. charge us
for doin their research on our time, with our boat, our bait etc. accepting money from anglers
to increase bag limits hardly seems like any
form of scientific resource mngt. if we listen
to their rhetoric and let them lead us down that
road, i guarantee that other types of permits
for other species and/or areas will be forthcoming. ask any avid hunter what an expensive
mockery the states hunting permit system has become.

if we don't buyem, they can't sellem

andy
 

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Gov James E. McGreevey sucks and that is the bottom line. Instead of charging us money to fish on the reefs which we donated money and time to help build he should look into other ways in generating income. Hell, he could add a few more tolls on the parkway, we don't have enough of them.
 

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Andy your point has nothing to do with the bonus program. The state spends alot of time and money to compile the logs for the bonus program. All they're asking is, is it worth $8 to you for that data? If not, don't get it, no big deal. You should be involved in the bonus program for the data compiliation, not the third fish anyway.
 

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i strongly believe that if we allow them to lead
us down the road of paying to fish, it will
eventually lead to more restrictions and more
fees down the road.i was using this as an ex.

face facts, most fisherman are in it for the
chance to bring home the extra fish.
since it's inception we have been doin their
research with our boat,our bait, our fuel,
our time, and now they want to charge US to do it. we've been saving them money.
the "no big deal" attitude is exactly what they
want us to say.
actually, now that we're hooked on the prog.,
they want to sell us an increase in bag limit,
hardly scientific data to set bag limits.

ask any avid hunter about what a farce the nj
lic. and permit program has become. that started
out small also. now its easy to spend several
hundred dollars on permits. shotgun doe$,archery
permit$,special area permit$,turkey permit$.
they now sell an unlimited amount over the counter. that's hardly the use of scientific
data to set regs.

the rfa and jcaa are against a fee based program.
we should support them.

gov. cannot be trusted to spen our $$ wisely.
if you feel inclined to give money to support
the fishery, then do it thru a group that supports us.

they can't sellem if we don't buyem!

andy
 

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Here is an example of how rumors get started. Bad rumors, I might add. Andy's first post is ficticious. It has no basis in fact. But someone here will take it as if it were a chapter from Genesis or Exodus, it seems some already have.
 

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NO ONE EVER WOULD BELIVE THAT SOLARI AND THE BOYS WOULD END FISHING IN BRIGANTINE EATHER.
BUT THEY ARE SURFERS
AND THEY TOOK CARE OF THERE SELFS.
THE TAX MAN IN TRENTON IS NO DIFFERENT.
FIRST A SALT WATER LICENSE. THEN THE PERMENTS.
BELIVE IT OR NOT ITS COMMING. SO ETHER FIGHT NOW OR DONT CRAY LATER!!
 

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thanks beachbassard,
you apparently have experienced first hand
the point i was making. they do it a little
at time so it seems justifible, and before u
know it, BAM!
 

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AndyL,
You could be correct. I understand what your saying. The state keeps probing how far they can go, first we pay for the bonus tag, then saltwater license, etc, etc.

With the bonus tag I feel it's a neccesary evil. I would support the bonus tag fee. Not only are we losing the option to harvest a extra fish, but the info generated is for a good cause.

If we lose the bonus tag what will they do with unused Rec quota? I know they will give the Rec quota to the Commie's.

I am against the saltwater license and saltwater permits, but if the money is used for the right reasons and not go into the General fund then I am for it, but I don't Trust the
State of NJ and I dont' trust Govornor Mcgreedy.

What really pisses me off is why can other states institute fees that support recreational fisherman, such as, CO's, funds for ramps and maintence, conservation studies. When NJ doesn't give a .0 Penny back to Recreational Communnity. It's because in NJ Rec's community is largest revenue generator in the state when you factor in gas, bait, registrations for boat and trailer, tackle shops, gear, etc. They don't won't to give back this revenue or a piece of the pie because this revenue is already allocted to balance the budget. In Trenton they know they can get away with it because they have the power to do so.

Greed, Greed, Greed. :mad:

Tidbit:

Do you know if you get a speeding ticket in NJ now it's double the fine courtesy of your Governor Mcgreedy.

[ 06-06-2004, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: johnny d ]
 

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thank you jd,

you're absolutly right, they cannot be trusted
to spend our money properly. i'd rather donate
to the organizations that truly support
our favorite sport. according to barn talk,
fisherman are being denied proper beach acces
in brigantine right now. they paid good money
for access and now have to yield to a surfers
come first ord.

andy
 

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Andy
you are correct about Brigantine beach ord. The area south to the jetty is off limits to fisherman, but surfers are allowed access. I have a friend that bought a buggie pass and few days later they came out with the ord. They didn't even have the nerve to tell him. If that was me and I didn't get a refund I would've open a can of whop ***.

The people that have the power, abuse the power for their own interests and agenda. The Mayor of Brigatine and a couple council members happen to be surfers or have children that are surfers. Something is not right here and I hope the RFA and JCAA get involved because if Brigatine can get away with it why not other shore towns.
 

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If we lose the bonus tag what will they do with unused Rec quota? I know they will give the Rec quota to the Commie's.

Boy JD I can tell that you know what your talking about . First off your " bonus tag program " is our piece of the quota . It was wrongfully stolen from us in the late 80's earlly 90's . Thus its not the recs quota !!!!!!

We were told that when the stocks rebounded we would be able to fish for them again . Well capt if ya asked me I'd have to say the day has come its time to set the 7 1/2 50 mesh deep . I'll be happy with 3 fish a day , Hell last year I fished almost 200 days {due too being sick} man thats 600 fish, this year I'm on paces to fish 300 days . I'll play by your rules JD lets just make them fair .
 
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