[Johnathan Anderson]

First off, hows everyone today? I'm new to the forums but not new to saltwater fishing. Ive been fishing the DE Bay for sharks for the last two years and so far I've only got one hotspot thats never failed me. So if you guys could pass on some more info for me, it would be greatly appreciated. I do have a boat so going anywhere in the bay is not problem! Im in the military and somehow word has gotten around that I shark fish and have no problem strappin in my guest into a Braid Harness and letting them go toe to toe with a chomper. So Im just looking for some variety out here. So someone help me out!:huh:

 

[hesa.fishguy]

Good luck....read this........
The following is a news release from the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission:

ASMFC Finds New Jersey Out of Compliance with the Interstate FMP for
Atlantic Coastal Sharks
Noncompliance Finding Forwarded to the Secretaries of Commerce and the
Interior

Last week at its Winter Meeting, the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission found the State of New Jersey out of compliance with the mandatory management measures contained in the Interstate Fishery Management Plan (FMP) for Atlantic Coastal Sharks. The Commission has notified the Secretaries of Commerce and the Interior of its finding. This action was taken pursuant to the provisions of the Atlantic Coastal Fisheries Cooperative Management Act of 1993.

The State of New Jersey has not implemented the regulations of the Interstate FMP for Atlantic Coastal Sharks. The implementation of these regulations is necessary to rebuild depleted shark stocks, ensure sustainable harvest of others, and provide protection for sharks in state nursing and pupping grounds. The Technical Committee has identified Delaware Bay as one of the most important nursing grounds for depleted
sandbar sharks on the Atlantic Coast. Included in the 22 commercial and recreational regulations in the FMP is a seasonal closure from Virginia north through New Jersey to protect pupping sandbar sharks.

In order to come back into compliance the State of New Jersey must implement all measures contained in the FMP. Upon notification by the Commission, the Secretary of Commerce has 30 days to review the recommendation and determine appropriate action, which may include a federal moratorium on fishing for all 40 species of coastal sharks managed under the FMP in New Jersey's state waters. For more information, please contact Robert Beal, Director, Interstate Fisheries Management Program, at (202) 289-6400.
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Tina Berger
Public Affairs Specialist
Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission
1444 I Street. NW, Sixth Floor
Washington, DC 20005
Phone: (202)289-6400
FAX: (202)289-6051

 

[Johnathan Anderson]

Thanks for the info. I live in and launch from Delaware...so Im not sure if NJ regs apply to me or not, but Im assuming not. Actually, I dont know what the fuss is about Sand Bars...I average maybe 30 to 50 Sand Bars in 6 hours a half mile off of big stone beach here. And maybe half of those will be in the 100-200 pound range!

 

[hesa.fishguy]

Thanks for the info. I live in and launch from Delaware...so Im not sure if NJ regs apply to me or not, but Im assuming not. Actually, I dont know what the fuss is about Sand Bars...I average maybe 30 to 50 Sand Bars in 6 hours a half mile off of big stone beach here. And maybe half of those will be in the 100-200 pound range!

Better be careful....... According to this web site: http://www.fw.delaware.gov/Fisheries/Documents/summary rec regs 2009.pdf
it is illegal to fish for sand bars in Delaware.......:naughty:

The fuss is all about the sand bars being an "overfished" species whose stocks are depressed (according to the HMS division of NOAA) When HMS finds out that you catch that many sand bars there, they'll probably make the whole Delaware Bay a shark sanctuary where ALL shark fishing will be prohibited....

 

[fdformicola]

I guess that means we can't target & eat dogfish?:huh:

 

[DRUM RUNNER]

Yo John , you could always head out of the Cape and set up offshore 5-6 miles at the drop off for Thresher . But I'd release them .

 

[Johnathan Anderson]

Yea I saw that in the books last year (2009), and it was explained to me that it means catch and realease only! I guess I left that part out in my first post in this thread. I do practice catch and release even when Sand Bars were open back in 2008. I just want to know whos got more information on hotspot locations in the Bay. If they were to change the Bay over to a Shark sanctuary...I guess would prolly sh*t myself. I wouldnt be suprised if it came down to this within the next couple or few years...

 

[MargaritaVille]

Thanks for the info. I live in and launch from Delaware...so Im not sure if NJ regs apply to me or not, but Im assuming not. Actually, I dont know what the fuss is about Sand Bars...I average maybe 30 to 50 Sand Bars in 6 hours a half mile off of big stone beach here. And maybe half of those will be in the 100-200 pound range!

200lb range?
How large is the shark?

 

[roctheboat aka pigpen]

200lb range?
How large is the shark?

he has to meen sand tigers , or brownies

 

[SeaSparks]

There is nothing like shark fishing in the DE bay. I have done it many many times, and started with a great guy from here. Its nice to have to only run 4-5 miles from land, and have some great fishing.

If you are like me, I am only catch and release. We fish for what ever bites, and am happy doing so.

 

[zar2754]

he has to meen sand tigers , or brownies

sandbar sharks are brown sharks.

sand tigers are federally protected and are larger than sandbars (brown) sharks

 

[roctheboat aka pigpen]

ok , I was thinking sand bars where smooth dog's , I don't ever target del bay sharks , or any sharks for that matter.

 

[MargaritaVille]

sandbar sharks are brown sharks.

sand tigers are federally protected and are larger than sandbars (brown) sharks

Brownies, even in the 6' range are not 200lbs.
My biggest is just over 5' and I don't think it went 100.

He is saying that he is can catch 30-50 sharks a day and half are in the 100 - 200lb range.

I think that is a gross over estimation on size.

 

[zar2754]

Brownies, even in the 6' range are not 200lbs.
My biggest is just over 5' and I don't think it went 100.

He is saying that he is can catch 30-50 sharks a day and half are in the 100 - 200lb range.

I think that is a gross over estimation on size.

yes i agree.

thats why i believe he is refering to Sand Tigers which can push 200 easy and are abundant in the dbay

 

[MargaritaVille]

yes i agree.

thats why i believe he is refering to Sand Tigers which can push 200 easy and are abundant in the dbay

They are abundant, but you are not going to catch 30-50 per day.
There is a distinct difference between a tiger and a brownie.

 

[roctheboat aka pigpen]

that is what I was trying to say earlier , i guess i didn't make my point out very well , at 1oo to 200 lbs they would have to be sand tigers, but the browns can go close to a hundred , I don't target them , but I have caught both species while chunking for bass I caught a brown had to be close to 6 foot last spring and a caught a lumphead sand tiger with the mangled teeth a few years ago that was probably 4 foot long, I let them bite off rather than even mess with either one of them. Personally i think they both fight like a old boot , five minutes and there done. if it takes that long.

 

[zar2754]

They are abundant, but you are not going to catch 30-50 per day.
There is a distinct difference between a tiger and a brownie.

i complete agree. they are very easy to tell apart. they look nothing alike except for the color.

 

[Johnathan Anderson]

Just to clear the confusion, I did mean Sand Tigers in the 100-200 pound range. Hell, I'd be lucky to see a 100 pound Brown, but I have seen it...but needless to say, Ive seen more dead bodies than browns that big. Ive come to find out that if you head out in mid to late spring, you can put out a chum bucket, give it an hour and then you are catching sand tigers evertime I put bait in the water! Speaking of browns, those two they have at the aquarium in Camden NJ have got to go over 100. Those are some mighty damn decent sized sandbars...

 

[Johnathan Anderson]

Oh and one more thing...Ive heard about stories and tales about people catching bull sharks and tiger sharks here in the bay closer to the mouth. Whos got confirmation because Im just alil curious. I aint never seen either one!:huh:

 

[MargaritaVille]

Oh and one more thing...Ive heard about stories and tales about people catching bull sharks and tiger sharks here in the bay closer to the mouth. Whos got confirmation because Im just alil curious. I aint never seen either one!:huh:

Sand tigers like the deep water (at least where I have targeted them)
Years back, my father caught a huge one off Thompson's beach in less than 10' of water.

Never seen a bull in the mouth but don't they frequent brackish water?