What trash. We don't and CAN'T sell our stripers in NJ. Don't count us in with those pinfisherman.

Want to change things quickly, open it up for us to sell them. Oh that's right
we don't sell our stripers, and we adhere to bag limits. I don't no anybody who exceeds their bag limits....end of story

 

He is one of those "holier than thou" flyfisherman that makes me embarassed to own so many flyrods.

He makes a lot of good points, such as the BS in Massachusetts (yet another reason to hate Massholes)

 

CaptBob,

Why do you continually profess your hatred for the very people who charter your boat? Maybe it's time to start running a scallop boat so you don't have to deal with the public anymore.

 

That article is a joke. He may as well join PETA, and furthermore declare that his only interest in striped bass is to line his pockets.

 

..From the link.. " stripers are in terrible shape....This is the scary part--our daily fare..... is 16- to 23-inch fish. Nothing smaller and nothing bigger in any numbers."

Hey Mr. Bob do you actually believe that?

 

Capt Bob I know it has to piss you off when your sittin on the WW reef and just a stones throw away a bank is jammed packed solid with the same folk that pushed for us not to be there.

Before ya comment boys either turn on your radios and listen or take a little ride out there for yourself. This year has been by far thee most Blanton display of breaking the Law that I have seen in quite some time.


I just hope everybody said cheese. The picker Cam has been runnin steady.

 

Capt Bob I know it has to piss you off when your sittin on the WW reef and just a stones throw away a bank is jammed packed solid with the same folk that pushed for us not to be there.

Before ya comment boys either turn on your radios and listen or take a little ride out there for yourself. This year has been by far thee most Blanton display of breaking the Law that I have seen in quite some time.


I just hope everybody said cheese. The picker Cam has been runnin steady.

yep, and no road block is going to stop that.

 

When I was sitting on the CM reef Tuesday I heard them talking all day out at the Ridge and 5 Fathom. One guy bitching that he only had a blue in the box (what were you expecting if you were releasing your stripers). Another said he released 2 shorts (I like that he abides by THAT rule). The best was the guy that warned his buddy that he may not want to come out as there was a lot of "company" around. Sounded like the coast guard was really busting stones that day. I know I had a helo 500 yards off my stern checking me out up and down. All the boats on the reef got looked over closely. Nice to know that they are at least attempting to enforce the law.

 

Capt Bob I know it has to piss you off when your sittin on the WW reef and just a stones throw away a bank is jammed packed solid with the same folk that pushed for us not to be there.

Before ya comment boys either turn on your radios and listen or take a little ride out there for yourself. This year has been by far thee most Blanton display of breaking the Law that I have seen in quite some time.


I just hope everybody said cheese. The picker Cam has been runnin steady.

ughh thats gonna get ugly... but if your gonna be a pirate,and ya get caught dont ***** about it.

 

This is an article that was in another magazine about Stripers.


http://www.flyrodreel.com/index.php/page/issues/id/19201



Who is the culprit now??

Maybe you should post a sign on your party boat saying how much you hate recreational fisherman. You must be independently wealthy to be able to trash the very group that pays you.

 

My,My, don't you boys get real uptight when someone questions your "integrity" I posted this same excerpt from that article in another thread, and it was like a ghost town, not one reply for or against! You take the bass and made it game fish status, which might be good. But then take the amount the com guy was getting and add it to your bag limit! So you've took basically food off a mans table just so you can add another bass to your holier than thou bag! Just pitiful! You accomplished NOTHING!!

 

Striper Article Speaks Loud

Article appears to be correct in its content, nothing new hear except if you did not realize that other states fish under different rules. As with any rules they're always bent ,broken & trashed.
Most of us that comment are not thoroughly familiar with all the striper regs except in our own back yards. I've always believed the key to most fishieries Stripers being one, are protection of our bait forage base & reasonable limits . Fisherman today are more astute ,become better anglers faster via internet info or whatever ,armed w/ this knowlegde they certaily can dent a fish population .but w/o strong baitfish forage base we'll never have that Striper fishery to dent. Take away the bunkers like we did the whiting & you will not have to argue about killing Stripers at all. Remember the eighties !

 

Most of you here should already know that FishPicker and I do not see eye to eye on many issues.........we have had some real doozies.... Hey Marty?

But on this one he and I are in Lock step. It bugs me to no end that the enforcement types sometimes turn a blind eye to apparent infractions. Ususally it is the ones that take some foot work. Anyone can sit at Harborview and ambush boats at their respective slips, but running out to the ridge or the bank is just too difficult, and heaven forbid they try to do it undercover or as a sting with many boats If I remember correctly the State of Delaware really took the initiative about 5 years ago when thier fluke regs became different from those in NJ. The tore many people a new rectum just for "drifting across the line." Do you mean to tell me the Fed (and perhaps State Govts) cannot do this 3 miles offshore? The law is the law.

I am also not too keen on kill tournaments of any type really, but that is another story.

Marty, if you are in fact filming have you offered it to the authorities? I applaude you for doing it. Now if it is a ploy to get you grubbies on a few to sell........we have just lost step.

 

My,My, don't you boys get real uptight when someone questions your "integrity" I posted this same excerpt from that article in another thread, and it was like a ghost town, not one reply for or against! You take the bass and made it game fish status, which might be good. But then take the amount the com guy was getting and add it to your bag limit! So you've took basically food off a mans table just so you can add another bass to your holier than thou bag! Just pitiful! You accomplished NOTHING!!

Exactly who's integrity are you questioning? Rec fisherman? Ahh, no.

This is Mass's COMMERCIAL fishery. They choose to keep it a pin hook fishery and to spread the qouta over a large group, rather then just a select few. It's based on the history of the fishery in that State and each State has the right to run their own commercial fishery how they see fit.

Don't like it move to Mass and vote.

Will people cheat when there's money involved? Sure they will, just like every other fishery with money involved.

Is it wasteful? Not nearly as wasteful as other bass fisheries like NC's gill netting from the beach. At least these guys can throw back what they don't keep. They don't drag 100's of dead drum and what ever else up on the beach to get their 30 fish.

As far as NJ's comm qouta, it must be used for something. That's the way fish management works. Very little of it actual gets used though, most of the qouta swims free. Sorry but that qouta has been given back to the people of NJ and taken from the very few who thought they owned it or are entitled to it. The people of NJ have spoken, go cry somewhere else.

 

There's no byline on the article. Anybody know who the author is?

 

Read's like Brad wrote it himself

 

Ted Williams

 

The Article is right on when it says the greed of the recreational fisherman and organizations like JCAA and RFA pushing for more meat is damaging the stock just as bad as the Mass hook and line mess.
Greed will continue to pull down the bass population,the decline has already begun
2 fish over 28" plus a bonus is ridiclous if you are really interested in saving the stock
While other States have a significant impact on future ,we should stop looking at who is worse and do what is right in New Jersey
Too many healthly spawners are being removed from Jersey waters

 

Bob, that to me makes no sense! Given back to the people of New Jersey? So what you are saying is to hell with everyone that isn't like you? You can't get enough meat, so you take someone elses? I have no intrest in your State rules or what you do, I'm just making an observation that to me is plain and simple. If you care about the stock then why add to your bag limit? your still taking the same amount of fish, you just stole them off the comm. fisherman. I think "the people of New Jersey" have taken enough. Bucktail Willie, I agree 100%.

 

Mass..... $65 per license times 5,000 = $325,000 ..... Why bother.


Mortality Rate 50%.... I don't know about you guys, but I use circle hooks, almost always hook them in the lip and release them quickly. Only one I gut hooked this year I was able to get the hook out without a problem. I would think the mortality rate of the fish I've released is near 100%. IF I were to hurt a fish that I caught I know that I feel terrible about it.

Trophy Coupons....I've got them but I don't plan on using them. In fact I think that I have only kept 2 stripers in total this year. I could have kept lots more but I don't need them... I prefer to eat other fish.

Fish size.... I agree, I am seeing many more smaller fish and way fewer larger fish. If you have ever studied fish populations over time, this could be a natural occurance. Or it could be overfishing. Or both. I've stated this before, I'm in favor of keeping a few small fish and leaving the breeders alone. BUT whatever the rules, everyone on the East coast needs to have the same rules.

The good news is that there are lots and lots of smaller fish available to grow into larger fish. We just have to let them.

The human fishing population is growing fast and they are targeting stripers...This is not normally addressed in articles. I think there are way more people fishing now then 5 years ago. And I think us baby boomers have more time available to fish too. We have more people fishing for stripers now, these people used to fish for largemouth bass or other fish but they focus on stripers during the fall. You have another group that used to hunt but switched over to fishing. You have guys in boats that used to be put away for the winter on Sept 4 keeping their boats in the water way in to Dec. So, more people fishing for more hours.

Stripers need proptection in all states. Not sure how to get there but I know they need protection.

 

To Bob ECT & Younger:

First off, all I did was post an article about stripers. I never once mentioned my opinion on this article except who might the culprits be?

You guys in my opinion are anti commercial? Does the truth hurt?

I posted this article because I am tired of all the people out there who are getting to greedy and not allowing everyone to participate in a fishery that by all relevant data is restored. Too many people blame the comms and this article shows that there is 2 sides to every coin and people better start WORKING TOGETHER TO MANAGE WHAT WE HAVE. I don't always agree with the comms and I don't always agree with all the recs, but I am sure as hell going to try and work with the groups to come up with a management policy that EVERYONE CAN LIVE WITH NOT JUST ONE SECTOR.

If this says that I hate people who fish with me you couldn't be anymore wrong. I fight for the people who fish with myself and any other party & charter boats out there to have them be able to catch and eat (not sell) their fish they catch. Most people who own their own boats don't fish with us except on a rare occasion. The majority of our customers are people who don't have a boat that can go anytime they wish. These people want to go on our boats to take fish home to eat and there are rules out there now that don't allow us to do this whether it be stripers, tog, fluke, etc...

Call me comm or call me rec, whatever it doesn't matter I will still work civiliy to come to an agreement that benefit both sides.


How many slices of the pie do we keep cutting before there is no pie left?

 

The Article is right on when it says the greed of the recreational fisherman and organizations like JCAA and RFA pushing for more meat is damaging the stock just as bad as the Mass hook and line mess.
Greed will continue to pull down the bass population,the decline has already begun
2 fish over 28" plus a bonus is ridiclous if you are really interested in saving the stock
While other States have a significant impact on future ,we should stop looking at who is worse and do what is right in New Jersey
Too many healthly spawners are being removed from Jersey waters

I totally disagree with that willie. HOW can anyone who reads that article agree that ....From the link.. " stripers are in terrible shape....This is the scary part--our daily fare..... is 16- to 23-inch fish. Nothing smaller and nothing bigger in any numbers."

Horsecrap. No that is not the case. I see alot of boats fishing lbi area and have a pretty good handle on the average catch per boat. next to nobody cheats on their bag limit. The story is BUNK, your arguements don't hold water. We don't sell our fish, and most people only take a limit on a repeated basis if they will eat their catch.

Do people fish outside the zone? Not much up here, but that is not even mentioned in the article. And that's a different subject altogether Marty.

I haven't caught a single striper that small all year. Whoever wrote the article is taking garbage pot shots, and is obviuosly pushing for a commercial bag limit increase. Thank godness some states aren't so gullible

 

Bob, that to me makes no sense! Given back to the people of New Jersey? So what you are saying is to hell with everyone that isn't like you? You can't get enough meat, so you take someone elses? I have no intrest in your State rules or what you do, I'm just making an observation that to me is plain and simple. If you care about the stock then why add to your bag limit? your still taking the same amount of fish, you just stole them off the comm. fisherman. I think "the people of New Jersey" have taken enough. Bucktail Willie, I agree 100%.

What are you talking about? DE and NJ regs are the same. If you thoroughly read BobECT's earlier post, you'd know that the so called Trophy Program allotment of 300,000lbs has never come close to being landed by NJ fishermen.

 

You guys in my opinion are anti commercial? Does the truth hurt?

That doesn't hurt at all. The truth is because we don't have it in NJ, stocks have come back. How many stripers have you tagged Willie?

From 1985-1990. From 1990-1995. From 1995-2000. From 2000-2006?

We rec fisherman have willing faced bag and size limits to help save the Striper. We continue to do so. We don't sell our catch.To do so is a state issue (currently) Making stripers a game fish in NJ has clearly worked.

 

Bob, that to me makes no sense! Given back to the people of New Jersey? So what you are saying is to hell with everyone that isn't like you? You can't get enough meat, so you take someone elses? I have no intrest in your State rules or what you do, I'm just making an observation that to me is plain and simple. If you care about the stock then why add to your bag limit? your still taking the same amount of fish, you just stole them off the comm. fisherman. I think "the people of New Jersey" have taken enough. Bucktail Willie, I agree 100%.

The NJ Leg represent the people of NJ, they decided to make it a gamefish for the benefit of the entire state, not just a few netters. Every State gets a comm qouta to use as they see best for their State.

Before saying they just added to the rec limit, consider how qoutas are managed in the US. It must be used in some way! NJ can not do nothing with that qouta or ASMFC will give it to other states. That may sound stupid but that's the way it is in the US fisheries. Use it or lose it.

To use it they created the bonus program. A way to get valuable information thru log books the State's biologists otherwise wouldn't have. Take a look at what's actually been used in that qouta. Very, very little of it has ever been caught. Most of those fish are still out there because of it.