[BUCKTAIL WILLIE]

I attended the Mid Atlantic Council meeting tonite and they voted on the 2006 allotment
After some strong arguments by JCAA,RFA, and United Boatman and some from Jersey reps they voted and passed an admendment that reduces the catch for 2006 to 23.59 lbs DOWN from 30 million lbs in 2005
NOW ,(tomorrow Wed) the ASMFC will decide what the new regulations will be.
The whole process needs to be redone in my opinion as currently they are not paying any attention to ecomonic impact
Stay tuned

 

[NIGHTSTRIKES]

Thanks Willie, Keep Us Posted...

 

[TWIN D'S]

I was there too Willie. Not pretty, and yes, the whole process should be rethought, but don't hold your breath.

I would start the whole process by questioning who on Gods' earth knows how many flounder there should be at any given time? Answer; no one knows!

 

[egghead]

Sorry, but I did not hear JCAA reps say a thing.

Wish I had known you were there, Willie. I would like to meet you.

 

[cam]

Well, we all knew it was going to happen. Not like this should come as a big surprise to anyone...

 

[BUCKTAIL WILLIE]

Egghead, you are right JCAA did not speak.
I'll be there this morning again

 

[Brian E. Mullaney]

Originally posted by cam:
Well, we all knew it was going to happen. Not like this should come as a big surprise to anyone...

Yep

BAD data and HORRIBLE decision. Seems the norm these days

My feelings:

1) there are plenty of fluke at this time(especially 15.5-16.25" fish).

2) The split is unfair - 50/50 would be fair.


They should have kept the poundage the same and changes the rec/comm allocation to 50/50.

 

[BIGGESTJACK]

HAS THEY EVER SAID WHY 50/50 ISN'T FAIR.

 

[design]

They have to throw weight out of the equation...every year we will be screwed worse and worse, hasn't happened? Think about it from the start of regulations. What was it 10" ???? and every year we keep looking for all those bigger fish we had to throw back the previous year.

1 man allowed 6 fish per day
2lbs X 6 fish = 12lbs

keeper fish get bigger (this is true) but the K to throw back ratio increases (this is true) and there ain't anyone gonna tell me different.
so...

1 man allowed 6 fish per day
2lbs X 6 fish = 12lbs
we are now running over weight by the calculations already

increase the size limit...whoa...that'll increase the weight as well....

3lbs x 6 fish = 18lbs
(Calculated based upon avg assumptions)
Now we are way way over....

reality is...
3lb x 2 fish = 6lbs

on paper, we are over, reality, we are far from it...

should be 6 per man, any weight.

what is this all moving towards? a moratorium...can't keep increasing the size until it's 24", so...decrease the catch...that'll balance out the #'s....

meanwhile....commercials....correct me if I'm wrong...keep ANY reasonable size (net allowance) and are controlled by lbs....I recall anything over 14" is to big for a dinner plate...(Fpicker, I respect and rely on your line of work, it's not personnal)

sorry, my math doesn't add up, 50/50 or not, it will not add up, never.

argue, voice your opinion, attend all the meetings you want...statistical calculation is what is needed to balance the #'s out. Show them the ways of their wrongs, but make them feel they figured it out....and it will be accepted.

[ 12-07-2005, 09:18 AM: Message edited by: design ]

 

[Bob ECT]

Originally posted by BIGGESTJACK:
HAS THEY EVER SAID WHY 50/50 ISN'T FAIR.

They never considered the proposal. One NY rep (a CCA rec fisherman) flipped at the last minute and it was voted down with no consideration.

 

[aj bruno]

All I am going to say is...
I have always followed every regulation
But an seriously thinking of imposing my own regulations on flounder going forward. The way that flounder has been tightend every year is ridiculous. Every year there are more flounder, but every year I take home less. I want the same regs as the commies, 14" FISH. Seriously, how about something reasonable like 6 fish, 15" min.

 

[Captain Phil]

Im with you aj bruno....Do you know how many 16" I threw back last year! Its unreal

 

[DEEP POCKETS]

Originally posted by aj bruno:
All I am going to say is...
I have always followed every regulation
But an seriously thinking of imposing my own regulations on flounder going forward. The way that flounder has been tightend every year is ridiculous. Every year there are more flounder, but every year I take home less. I want the same regs as the commies, 14" FISH. Seriously, how about something reasonable like 6 fish, 15" min.

With the increasing costs of boating/fishing, I think alot more people are going to start to consider the "Fillet & Release" practice if the regs continue to increase size limits.

 

[BUCKTAIL WILLIE]

Guys ,I attending this mornings meeting and after all is said and done I believe the regulations for NJ will remain the same but we won't know for sure until spring.
That is the result of NJ catches expected to come in under tar 2005 target
Commercial guys are the ones who appeared to get screwed as a result of reduction becuase they always catch their qouta.
I'll say this,IF I used the sampling these guys used in getting their statistical data I would still be trying to get out of Statistics Class
One observation,both organizations seem to be overrun with Statisitcal genuis's and PHD's who probably can't spell FISH let along flounder and they have no interest in what the real world is telling them
The whole process needs to be scrapped and replace with less bodies and more statistical data

 

[Bob ECT]

I believe NJ could choose a rec size limit of 14" just like the Comm limit. Season would likely only be a week though.

Increasing to Comm limit only means more dead fish, it'll just take longer to fill the qouta they have.

 

[nospot2fsh]

Thanks, BW for the update. It will suck if they cut back any farther next year.

 

[Bawugna]

I am not even a fluker but have watched how the fishery has become laughable! When I was much younger, we were able to fill a cooler with fluke of all sizes. We tossed many fish simply because they were just not worth cleaning.....much less than 13 inches or so. Then I watched as the regs tightened year after year and the fishery went from "hey we had a good day, dozens" to "Oh Boy we did real good, 6 of us came back with 4 keepers" What the hell is happening here?

Don't blame the commercial guys for the downward spiral we are in right now...............By that I mean, the yearly increase in size limits and correspondingly tighter regs the year that follows. That is because of a lawsuit brought by some enviro wackos with no stake in the fishery trying to make the NMFS follow the rebuilding plan, regardless of how incredibly successful it is. Just to make sure I am not misunderstood....DO blame the commercial fleet for destroying the fishery by raiding the shelf waters and removing all the breeding stock, and DO blame them for the skewed allocation because they had fished us out of the picture and lobbied us out of the process and DO blame the NMFS for being underhanded in the whole scheme

The 14 inch fluke thing for the commercial fleet does stick in my craw, but I understand the reason...........however, larger mesh would solve a lot of that.

Think about it, this is an inshore fish, that people are traveling 20 miles to catch! A few more miles and you are catching small BFT and Mako! Oh but you are only allowed one of each of them...........

The regs are flawed, the allocations are criminal, the catch estimates are just plain dumb! and the weight estimates based on them are even worse!

And people wonder why I don't even waste my time.

 

[BUCKTAIL WILLIE]

The regs are flawed, the allocations are criminal, the catch estimates are just plain dumb! and the weight estimates based on them are even worse!

And people wonder why I don't even waste my time.

I fully agree witht the first paragraph BUT considering it a waste of time is wrong
WE NEED TO SPEND OUR TIME GETTING THE REGUALTIONS CHANGED BY PUTTING SIGNFICANT PRESSURE ON ELECTED POLITICIANS TO CLEAN HOUSE AND START OVER
WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
I was living in Indiana during the Striper Wars and managed to convince many midwest congressman of the need for a Striped Bass moratorium when a lot of people were saying it would never happen
Dedicated fisherman all along the East Coast using hard facts got job done and providing us in Midwest you were chasing the needed votes the facts to get the job done
We can make a difference but we need to be together.
First thing we need to do is begin making sure our elected politicians State and Federal understand how screwed up this process is and how much money is being wasted on flawed data

 

[Brian E. Mullaney]

WE NEED JOHHNIE COCHRAN - OH WAIT HE'S DEAD

- WE NEED SOME HOT SHOT LAWYER TO SUE THERE ARSES AND WIN FOR THE BUSINESSES THEY ARE GONNA SCREW

 

[Brian E. Mullaney]

i CAN SEE A REVOLUTION FORTHCOMING - PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO ABIDE BY THESE Bull Sheet laws.

ITS LIKE MAKING THE NJ TURNPIKE 35 MPH SPEED LIMIT