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SEE: Trump backs off threat to close border, a day before visit to California

Apr 04, 2019

”President Trump backed off his threat to close the border with Mexico, one day before he travels to California to highlight what he is calling an immigration crisis.

“We’re going to give them a one-year warning,” Trump said Thursday, referring to Mexico.”


Let us not forget that that Trump’s own top border officials, judging from current unwanted border crossing numbers, expect one million unwanted border crossings will occur this year LINK, and American citizens will suffer the devastating social and economic impact of this invasion.


So, as it turns out, President Trump has finally proven to be all wind and no sail when it comes to stopping the ongoing invasion of our border, not to mention he will be at the helm of power during the largest surge in unwanted border crossings.


Let us also remember that our “Freedom Caucus” has stood by in silence and has allowed the open border Republican Cabal [which includes Newt Gingrich] to scare President Trump into not closing the border down and falsely advising him of the catastrophe a shutdown would bring, convincing President Trump into this traitorous act of submission.


The fact is, our border has been closed three times in the past and the economic calamity now predicted by turncoat Republican leaders, did not happen. Mexico benefits more than the United States in our present trade relation, and by $ 63 Billion a year. It would only take closing the border for a few days or a week at the most, to bring Mexico’s President to his senses and have Mexico end the care and transportation of Central American’s as they pass through Mexico, on their way to burden the United States.


The bottom line is, if Trump carries through with allowing one million more unwanted border crossings to occur this year, it will be his undoing and open the door to be primaried. There is no sense in having a wall if Trump allows unwanted border crossing through its “big beautiful door”.


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It was April of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies ___ socialists, communists, anarchists and globalists in Congress ___ continued with their obstruction against securing America’s borders and refused to pass laws allowing an immediate repatriation of undesirable foreigners who were invading America’s borders .
 

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This is by far the most disgusting thing that Trump has done. I understand the rationale of not closing it at this time, I absolutely do not understand pre-announcing a 1 year 'warning period'. He might as well get a matador cape and stand at the border screaming 'Ole'. By stating 'that he is giving Mexico a one year year warning', my bet is that countless Illegals will see this as their 'window'. They will now have an incentive - try to sneak in before the wall and before a potential closure that would increase security.This will now empty out those sh*thole Central American Countries

Prior to this announcement, most of the estimates I have read put the number of Illegals this year at closer to 1.5 million.....I think we can now increase it by another million we will have to support by this time next year. This is beyond ridiculous! It is an ill advised decision that will cost Trump significant support. I am going to hope another candidate emerges for 2020 who is truly 'Conservative'.
 

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SEE: Trump backs off threat to close border, a day before visit to California

Apr 04, 2019

”President Trump backed off his threat to close the border with Mexico, one day before he travels to California to highlight what he is calling an immigration crisis.

“We’re going to give them a one-year warning,” Trump said Thursday, referring to Mexico.”


Let us not forget that that Trump’s own top border officials, judging from current unwanted border crossing numbers, expect one million unwanted border crossings will occur this year LINK, and American citizens will suffer the devastating social and economic impact of this invasion.


So, as it turns out, President Trump has finally proven to be all wind and no sail when it comes to stopping the ongoing invasion of our border, not to mention he will be at the helm of power during the largest surge in unwanted border crossings.


Let us also remember that our “Freedom Caucus” has stood by in silence and has allowed the open border Republican Cabal [which includes Newt Gingrich] to scare President Trump into not closing the border down and falsely advising him of the catastrophe a shutdown would bring, convincing President Trump into this traitorous act of submission.


The fact is, our border has been closed three times in the past and the economic calamity now predicted by turncoat Republican leaders, did not happen. Mexico benefits more than the United States in our present trade relation, and by $ 63 Billion a year. It would only take closing the border for a few days or a week at the most, to bring Mexico’s President to his senses and have Mexico end the care and transportation of Central American’s as they pass through Mexico, on their way to burden the United States.


The bottom line is, if Trump carries through with allowing one million more unwanted border crossings to occur this year, it will be his undoing and open the door to be primaried. There is no sense in having a wall if Trump allows unwanted border crossing through its “big beautiful door”.


JWK


It was April of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies ___ socialists, communists, anarchists and globalists in Congress ___ continued with their obstruction against securing America’s borders and refused to pass laws allowing an immediate repatriation of undesirable foreigners who were invading America’s borders .
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Unfortunately, every post in this thread so far is right on. Yes, even Ruff.:huh:
 

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This is by far the most disgusting thing that Trump has done. I understand the rationale of not closing it at this time, I absolutely do not understand pre-announcing a 1 year 'warning period'. He might as well get a matador cape and stand at the border screaming 'Ole'. By stating that he is giving Mexico a 'one year year warning', my bet is that countless Illegals will see this as their 'window'. They will now have an incentive, try to sneak in before the wall and before a potential closure that would increase security.This will now empty out those sh*thole Central American Countries

Prior to this announcement, most of the estimates I have read put the number of Illegals this year at closer to 1.5 million.....I think we can now increase it by another million we will have to support by this time next year. This is beyond ridiculous! It is an ill advised decision that will cost Trump significant support. I am going to hope another candidate emerges for 2020 who is truly 'Conservative'.
The American people have become soft and unwilling to defend their own country, and willingly summit themselves to subversive acts. The sad truth is, we were emphatically warned by our forefathers about becoming complacent and submitting to oppressive acts!

"When a free people submit to oppressive acts, passed in violation of their constitution, for a single day, they have thrown down the palladium of their liberty. Submit to despotism for an hour and you concede the principle. John Adams said, in 1775, Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud. It is the only thing a people determined to be free can do. Republics have often failed, and have been succeeded by the most revolting despotisms; and always it was the voice of timidity, cowardice, or false leaders counseling submission, that led to the final downfall of freedom. It was the cowardice and treachery of the Senate of Rome that allowed the usurper to gain power, inch by inch, to overthrow the Republic. The history of the downfall of Republics is the same in all ages. The first inch that is yielded to despotism __ the first blow, dealt at the Constitution, that is not resisted is the beginning of the end of the nations ruin." ___ THE OLD GUARD, A MONTHLY JOURNAL DEVOTED TO THE PRINCIPLES OF 1776 AND 1787


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As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of darkness.___Supreme Court Justice William Douglas
 

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Lets be clear... this is a vote grab. How many times does he have to lie before you realize everything out of his mouth is just a crock of BS that serves nobody but himself. He knows he cannot get re-elected with just his core and this "compassionate" move will be a significant part of his re-election platform
 
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Lets be clear... this is a vote grab. How many times does he have to lie before you realize everything out of his mouth is just a crock of BS that serves nobody but himself.
So, what does he have to gain from this? Votes? Nah, the illegals know who to vote for, and its not Trump.
 

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So, what does he have to gain from this? Votes? Nah, the illegals know who to vote for, and its not Trump.
He knows he can't get re-elected with just his core... this "compassionate" move will be a significant part of his campaign to attract moderates and minorities....

Of course, I can be wrong, and he may have just shot his mouth off again to be the "tough guy" to feed his core and then got set straight by his people about all the negative impact of closing the border...

Either way, a very good illustration of why he should not be President.
 

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Lets be clear... this is a vote grab. How many times does he have to lie before you realize everything out of his mouth is just a crock of BS that serves nobody but himself. He knows he cannot get re-elected with just his core and this "compassionate" move will be a significant part of his re-election platform
I disagree. Yes it is an ill advised vote grab, but this will backfire on him. His 'core' plus Independents are what put him in office in the first place. Even the majority of Independents are in favor of more border security and cutting down on Illegals entering the Country. This will cause an erosion of support within his base, especially if a more Conservative candidate emerges. More people (including major Party donors) will now be encouraging a strong Conservative to enter the race.
 

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I disagree. Yes it is an ill advised vote grab, but this will backfire in him. His 'core' plus Independents are what put him in office in the first place. Even the majority of Independents are in favor of more border security and cutting down on Illegals entering the Country. This will cause an erosion of support within his base, especially if a more Conservative candidate emerges. More people (including major Party donors) will now be encouraging a strong Conservative to enter the race.
He is in a dangerous place right now. His base has stayed by his side, but he needs to expanded it to win. I don't like his decision, but Ed makes a good point about his outreach. As angry as I am about his decision I'm even more upset with the American Population who needs this pandering to help expand his support for re-election.
 

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He is in a dangerous place right now. His base has stayed by his side, but he needs to expanded it to win. I don't like his decision, but Ed makes a good point about his outreach. As angry as I am about his decision I'm even more upset with the American Population who needs this pandering to help expand his support for re-election.
I don't disagree on outreach in general, but he has picked the wrong issue to change direction on. Even as far back as April of last year he had the majority of Americans were on his side on the broad topic of Immigration, and especially Illegal Immigration. Specifically from the Rasmussen Report of last Spring:

"Hundreds of people from Central America who have come across Mexico in a highly publicized group are threatening to enter the United States illegally any day now. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 54% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the U.S. government should stop them all from entering. Thirty-seven percent (37%) disagree and say the government should allow them to enter this country temporarily until each of their cases can be individually reviewed." (To see survey question wording, click here.)

A year later 'Hundreds of Illegals' in a caravan has been further defined as more than a million Illegals a year. I believe that over the last year the majority of voters supporting Trumps strong position grew even more on this issue. His weak kneed back tracking will backfire on him. He never should have publicly stated a '1 year warning period'. For someone who claims to be a master negotiator that was an amateurish move. He picked the wrong issue to backpedal on - he had the support he wanted, the majority of people were behind him.

What we can probably agree on is that if the economy continues to grow, this will be the #1 issue in the 2020 election.

This is echoed by The Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll online survey of 1,540 registered voters was conducted from Jan. 15-16. “Immigration is surging as the top issue in the country, displacing healthcare,” said Mark Penn, the co-director of the Harvard CAPS/Harris poll. Penn said that the rising prominence of immigration as a political issue, however, appeared to be “more of a win for the Trump forces,” given the president’s intense focus on illegal immigration and claims that a crisis is unfolding on the southern border.

An overwhelming majority of respondents said that border security on the U.S. boundary with Mexico is an issue, the poll found. Nearly half – 49 percent – said that they see border security as a “serious problem,” while another 36 percent said it was a “minor problem.” Only 16 percent said it is “not even a small priority.”

So Trump had a lot of support from a majority of Americans, not for the 'Wall', but on the broader topic of Illegal Immigration. He is playing with fire that could cost him the next election.

 

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When I heard President Trump indicate he will not close the border for a year and will allow one million more unwanted border crossings before closing down the border I thought it was an April fool’s joke. But it’s not a joke. He seems to be standing by this crap which will inflict more devastating social and economic suffering upon American law abiding citizens.

He is giving the Democrat Party Leadership exactly what they want! A million more free cheese voters.

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If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon the federal government for its subsistence through massive illegal immigration, we can then bribe the invaders for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ The Democrat Party Leadership’s Marxist game plan.
 

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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but what happens to the American economy if he closes the Border?

Does it turnout like a Government shutdown?

Please answer the questions.
 

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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but what happens to the American economy if he closes the Border?

Does it turnout like a Government shutdown?

Please answer the questions.
Personally, I don't advocate him closing the border at this time - we are not prepared from an economic standpoint. There are many other options in dealing with Mexico that need to be pursued first, and contingency plans that must be developed. My issue is sending a signal to Illegals all over Central America - that they now have a 1 year 'window' to get into the US Illegally before a wall/barrier and potentially a border closing create a much bigger challenge. It's like he created an incentive for them to head here now vs later. I fully expect a significant ramp up in caravans, border breeches, a ramp up in Welfare subsidies, and a corresponding increase in crime that is disproportionate to their share of the population. That is unacceptable to me.
 

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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but what happens to the American economy if he closes the Border?

Does it turnout like a Government shutdown?

Please answer the questions.
My understanding (and keep in mind this is just a bit I picked up on the news yesterday) when you shut down the border with Mexico, you shut down business with Mexico... no imports, no exports, no nuthin'...

.. so if you liked avocados or parts for your American cars that are made down there, you would be SOL.....

Here is a little bit... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-president-trumps-threat-to-close-the-u-s-mexico-border-would-cost/
 
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I have to think at this point they have no other way to infleunce him
It's an interesting situation. Unlike most who go to Washington, he already has the really big money and isn't beholden to the behind the scenes money sources of the left or rino-right. As for blackmailing over an affair, LOL, it's Trump. The usual pressure points aren't available. I guess that's why they hate him so much.
 
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