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wow thats sad
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Its sad that there is another 63 that delaminated with no impact before this one sunk.
There is unbelieveable damage to this boat. I have no idea of the water pressure force involved once a 60 footer goes under and tumbles to the bottom, but I would have to believe a lot of what is seen in the underwater pics did'nt happen at the surface.
All that buoy was is a plastic can with an aluminum hi flyer. Hard to imagine it caused the damage. It does look like the fore deck detached from the hull and ripped right off.
There is unbelieveable damage to this boat. I have no idea of the water pressure force involved once a 60 footer goes under and tumbles to the bottom, but I would have to believe a lot of what is seen in the underwater pics did'nt happen at the surface.
All that buoy was is a plastic can with an aluminum hi flyer. Hard to imagine it caused the damage. It does look like the fore deck detached from the hull and ripped right off.
I think it struck a wave, broke of the fore deck and sank. Transom may have seperated as the boat hit bottom. I bet it went down rather quickly!
I dont buy that the boat hit anything other than water. Unless there was a brick wall by that buoy.
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The boat blew apart when it hit a wave. This was the 2nd bertram to have delamination problems and probably not the last. The cored hull sides and bottom did not get infused with enough resin. This created a dryspots that had no strength because the resin did not touch the core. Its pretty much like building a boat out of cardboard with glass on either side and if the resin doesn't hit the foam core in some areas well I think we all know what happens then. When you have low wage hispanic workers that when you ask them if they know what they are doing they always say Si or yes. You think they care what happens to the boat. They get paid by the hour and cold care less what a bertram is or how well its built. Its fine to have them laying up hulls in solid glass but infusing resin into a foam core? Everybody wants a lighter and faster boat but there is a price to pay when doing this and your boats bow blowing into a million pieces when it hits a wave is one of them could you imagine if somebody was sleeping up in the bow!!! Builders should go back to solid glass hulls they don't fail. If you want to core stuff then core the decks but the hull? I want something solid under my feet!
The issue was the coring. They werent using approved material. It would blister and creat voids, thats why they have been delaminating.
Its ashame, Bertram was once the pinnacle of offshore battlewagons..
The last "Real" Bertrams were made prior to 1987. Thank god I have a solid glass boat, she is one of the best rough water performers I've ever laid foot on!
Its ashame, Bertram was once the pinnacle of offshore battlewagons..
The last "Real" Bertrams were made prior to 1987. Thank god I have a solid glass boat, she is one of the best rough water performers I've ever laid foot on!
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look at those underwater pictures. the damage to the bow all starts well above the waterline. i would think that it that boat hit anything, especially a container, the bow would be absolutely OBLITERATED below the WL, which would seem to be the probable point of impact, right? something in me doesnt think that this boat hit something.
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The great Bertram yacht is not what it used to be since the ferretti group took over. The old ones did not fail when run hard the 31 bertram that made bertram famous is probably one of the boats that people run the hardest in the nasty stuff. They are still running hard to this day without problems because of a solid glass hull. If it were only one that fell apart I'd think twice but this is the 2nd or 3rd one of new bertrams that fell apart. Did you see that picture of the yellow one that the whole side blew out. This could turn into the Toyota mess where nobody cared about the first few until now when theres so many of the same problem that somebody has to take responsibility.I will add one more. I stand behind the great Bertram Yacht. All I here is exactly that heresay. Tell me I am wrong but they will all fail if you run em hard enough. Lots of jetsam out there.
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My thinking on this is that these huge sportfishers are beginning to push beyond the strength of fiberglass and resin. There is a reason ships are built of steele. The forces generated by a 65 foot sportfisher going 30 kn coming off a wave have to be incredible. Fiberglass and resin has its limits.
The price you pay for speed! Boats are built lighter and lighter and the mills are generating more and more HP.... Bad combo! Why the need to run at 36knots? How many days can you effectively cruise at that speed with out beating yourself and the boat up? Up here, not too many!
Bertram 63
What's Happenning ....... with this Bertram has it been Salvage ? Any Plans for lifting her ?
Cardinal Joe :thumbsup:
What's Happenning ....... with this Bertram has it been Salvage ? Any Plans for lifting her ?
Cardinal Joe :thumbsup:
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