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Most of the financial sufferings we experience as a nation can be traced to a corruptible money system and a system of taxation which invites corruption. In fact, our Washington Establishment has adopted one of the most corruptible systems of taxation known to mankind, the taxing of incomes, while it has circumvented our Founders specific mandate to prohibit notes of any kind, and this would include Federal Reserve Notes, to be made a “legal tender” in payment of debt. It is interesting to note that Congressman Louis T. McFadden, in 1932, stated the following regarding the Federal Reserve System:

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

And with regard to taxation, our founder’s rule was representation with a proportional financial obligation.

With the above in mind, which candidate has the nerve to boldly confront the Washington Establishment’s tools of corruption mentioned above?

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“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
 

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That is a great question, none is the answer.

Until income tax is dissolved or repealed, the system is inherently corrupt.

The fed reserve needs to be abolished along with tax reform.

Wars would not last 4-5 or even 6 years if we strangled the feds ability to print or borrow money.

What a wonderful America it would be if the feds only spent what was brought in. Can you imagine if they had to come knocking at every one's door in November
because they used up all the years revenue.
Do think anyone would voluntarily pay more just because they overspent?
It is only a dream.
 

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That is a great question, none is the answer.

Until income tax is dissolved or repealed, the system is inherently corrupt.

The fed reserve needs to be abolished along with tax reform.

Wars would not last 4-5 or even 6 years if we strangled the feds ability to print or borrow money.

What a wonderful America it would be if the feds only spent what was brought in. Can you imagine if they had to come knocking at every one's door in November
because they used up all the years revenue.
Do think anyone would voluntarily pay more just because they overspent?
It is only a dream.
If we had a more fair tax system, the population would put real pressure on the politicians to reduce spending. But we will never go to a fair tax system, and especially never a consumption tax. Most of the population lives in a dream world when it comes to how little they pay in taxes. If they understood how much their taxes would increase under a system in which the rich are not forced to pay a vastly disproportionate share of running the country, they would go ballistic over any effort to reform the system. Indeed, if there is any trend today, it is to force a small minority to pay an ever greater share of the cost of running things.
 

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That is a great question, none is the answer.

Until income tax is dissolved or repealed, the system is inherently corrupt.

The fed reserve needs to be abolished along with tax reform.

Wars would not last 4-5 or even 6 years if we strangled the feds ability to print or borrow money.

What a wonderful America it would be if the feds only spent what was brought in. Can you imagine if they had to come knocking at every one's door in November
because they used up all the years revenue.
Do think anyone would voluntarily pay more just because they overspent?
It is only a dream.

Now, the next question is, why is it that not one of our radio/tv talk show hosts will discus our Constitution's original tax and money plan, and this includes Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'Rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain. Eric Bolling, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Greg Gutfeld, Dana Perino, Juan Williams, Megyn Kelly, Neil Cavuto, John Stossel etc.? They all love to stir the pot but ignore the wisdom of our Founder's plan.

JWK



"Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man's field by the sweat of the poor man's brow."_____ Daniel Webster.
 

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There are a couple of schemes that the gubment has advanced that hides the level of taxation and allows the gubment to spend more than it brings in, and those things are income tax withholding and hidden taxes, such as corporate tax, gubment fees, civil forfeitures, and fines for the sake of pursuing revenue like red light cameras.

If citizens had to write a check to pay their taxes, instead of the less visible ways, they would be howling. Instead the gubment pursues schemes to obfuscate.
 

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There are a couple of schemes that the gubment has advanced that hides the level of taxation and allows the gubment to spend more than it brings in, and those things are income tax withholding and hidden taxes, such as corporate tax, gubment fees, civil forfeitures, and fines for the sake of pursuing revenue like red light cameras.

If citizens had to write a check to pay their taxes, instead of the less visible ways, they would be howling. Instead the gubment pursues schemes to obfuscate.
For a good example of how bankers and government unite and plunder real material wealth created by the people using paper money see John Law and the Mississippi bubble

Also see Billions for Bankers--Debts for the People

JWK


"Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man's field by the sweat of the poor man's brow."_____ Daniel Webster.
 

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Journalist don't speak the truth about taxation because they are ignorant on the subject.
Talk show and radio don't speak the truth because they are owned by big business.

That is my take, how do we get the word out?
The education system is horrible. Half the people are on hand outs from the feds.
Consumption tax probably is the best answer. Income tax really needs to go away.

How many people think it is any one's business other than your spouse, how much money an individual earns.
I like to ask people why do they think the government wants and income tax.
Simple answer is so they can tax-penalize individuals.
 

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Journalist don't speak the truth about taxation because they are ignorant on the subject.
Talk show and radio don't speak the truth because they are owned by big business.

That is my take, how do we get the word out?
The education system is horrible. Half the people are on hand outs from the feds.
Consumption tax probably is the best answer. Income tax really needs to go away.

How many people think it is any one's business other than your spouse, how much money an individual earns.
I like to ask people why do they think the government wants and income tax.
Simple answer is so they can tax-penalize individuals.

You are absolutely correct about the "income tax"! It allows our folks in Washington to reach out and touch every citizen and demand an arbitrarily determined amount of tax to be paid by that particular citizen. But to prohibit this evil system of arbitrary taxation our Founder's provided a specific protection, namely, any direct tax would be apportioned, i.e., whenever Congress decided to tax the citizens directly, it would be an equal per capita tax! Now, which of our candidates' tax reforms observes this important principle and protection against arbitrary taxation? Which candidate even talks about the wisdom and brilliance of the rule of apportionment?


JWK


If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property. POLLOCK v. FARMERS'LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)
 

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Let’s give credit to Donald Trump for bringing up the Federal Reserve!

See: Trump: Economic bubble about to burst

”Federal Reserve policymakers are expected in the coming months to raise the interest rate, which has remained at zero percent since the 2008 crisis in an effort to foster economic growth.

“You know who gets hurt the most? People who practice the American dream and did what should have been the right way — the people that went through 40 years of their life and saved a hundred dollars every week [in the bank],” Trump said.”


Trump is absolutely correct that hard working people who saved all their lives to accumulate wealth for their retirement are the ones who get “hurt the most” when bankers manipulate our money system. As long as we have a corruptible money system, bankers will practice their evil as history has proven.

JWK


"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." ___ Author unknown
 

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In addition to bringing up the Fed, bad trade deals and open borders, Trump has brought up 911, and the 28 redacted pages of the report that the political establishment has withheld from the American People. :thumbsup:
 

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Now, the next question is, why is it that not one of our radio/tv talk show hosts will discus our Constitution's original tax and money plan, and this includes Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'Rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain. Eric Bolling, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Greg Gutfeld, Dana Perino, Juan Williams, Megyn Kelly, Neil Cavuto, John Stossel etc.? They all love to stir the pot but ignore the wisdom of our Founder's plan.

JWK



"Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man's field by the sweat of the poor man's brow."_____ Daniel Webster.
You have been asked many times to show the math how your original tax code will work. you can not or will not provide any numbers to show how your antiquated tax code will work.
 
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You have been asked many times to show the math how your original tax code will work. you can not or will not provide any numbers to show how your antiquated tax code will work.
The Ten Commandments are likewise "antiquated", but the principles set forth in them are as valid today as when introduced. What is your point?

What I support is our Constitution's original tax plan, a tax plan which you have failed to prove would not work since it allows Congress to raise whatever revenue is thought to be necessary. So, the math is unimportant. Your objection to our Constitution's original tax plan seems to be that it would actually encourage every State's Congressional Delegation while in Washington to vote for less spending and borrowing to avoid the apportioned direct tax. Am I correct?

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If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and withit one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property. POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157U.S. 429 (1895)
 

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In addition to bringing up the Fed, bad trade deals and open borders, Trump has brought up 911, and the 28 redacted pages of the report that the political establishment has withheld from the American People. :thumbsup:
There are many things our Establishment wants to sweep under the rug and hide from the American People. That is why the Establishment, and particularly Marco Rubio, the Establishment's bought and paid for talking sock puppet, is so intent on launching juvenile and personal attacks against Donald Trump instead of actually defending his plan to legalize millions upon millions of illegal aliens and allow them to remain in our country who are squeezing American citizens our of jobs by working off the books, below the going wage, and avoid paying taxes on their earned wages.

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To support Marco Rubio, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders, a policy which panders to the Chamber of Commerce, the Club for Growth and our Global Governance Crowd

 

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It is very easy to point at corrupt politicians, twisted laws, or systems prone to to abuse, but the bottom line is that Americans, as a whole, suck.

When 51% of your population is useless what do you really expect politicians, laws, or legitimate systems to accomplish?

Maybe instead of worrying about how to fix our political and legal systems, we should be focusing on how to fix our people.
 

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I would be all for a consumption tax. That's the way the framers of the constitution wanted it. At least the Feds would get back some of the free money they hand out like bribes to their left leaning voting zombies.
 

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I would be all for a consumption tax. That's the way the framers of the constitution wanted it. At least the Feds would get back some of the free money they hand out like bribes to their left leaning voting zombies.
I agree! Real tax reform begins with the following 32 words:



“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! They would also end the failed experiment with the socialist inspired federal tax calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

JWK




To support Marco Rubio, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders, a policy which panders to the Chamber of Commerce, the Club for Growth and our Global Governance Crowd

 

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Question:

If Congress’s power to lay and collect taxes calculated from incomes was withdrawn, how many “K” Street lobby organizations would be forced to close down which now pay tribute to members of Congress to receive their tax advantages which are not available to hard working wage earners, regardless of their political party affiliation?

Is it not a fact that today’s federal tax on “incomes” is an engine of corruption and abuse which benefits sleaze politicians who are sent to Washington to manipulate taxation for political gain, while America’s general welfare takes a back seat to the rich and powerful who buy the votes of those we elect?

And what about the Federal Reserve System which has been forced upon America without the people’s consent? Does it not invite an unimaginable and unlimited fraud being perpetrated upon the American People?

Why is not one of our candidates, Republican or Democrat pointing a finger at this notoriously evil institution?

JWK

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)
 

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I would be all for a consumption tax. That's the way the framers of the constitution wanted it. At least the Feds would get back some of the free money they hand out like bribes to their left leaning voting zombies.
I would love a consumption tax -- my taxes would probably decline by at least 50%. But once the average citizen discovered that a consumption tax would require a radical increase in their taxes (or massive cuts in government), there is no way they would support it.
 
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